Post by: bearpaw on August 06, 2016, 11:29:46 AM
Other states are taking action to improve hunting!
Post by: bearpaw on August 06, 2016, 11:33:50 AM
Post by: bearpaw on August 06, 2016, 11:39:53 AM
Post by: j_h_nimrod on August 06, 2016, 11:54:44 AM
Post by: JLS on August 06, 2016, 11:57:33 AM
Post by: jrebel on August 06, 2016, 11:59:03 AM
Post by: JLS on August 06, 2016, 12:20:41 PM
Looks like OR wants to harvest about 16% of it's population annually (based on the estimates given) vs. WA at 13%.
Curious as to a few variables:
What were the antlerless seasons prior to and after the cougar reductions?
What were the environmental conditions prior to and after the reductions?
What time frame were the reductions done over, and how often were they/are they to be repeated?
Post by: Ricochet on August 06, 2016, 12:50:48 PM
Does Oregon allow hound hunting and/or trapping?
No to both.
Post by: JLS on August 06, 2016, 01:01:04 PM
Does Oregon allow hound hunting and/or trapping?
No to both.
Are quotas routinely filled?
Post by: bearpaw on August 06, 2016, 01:08:44 PM
Does Oregon allow hound hunting and/or trapping?
No to both.
Are quotas routinely filled?
In WA some are filled, some are not, but a year round season would likely cause more quotas to be filled.
In Oregon I don't know how many quotas are filled, it may say, I didn't notice. I did see where they said that the targeted cougar removals are in addition to hunting season harvest. They removed a large number of cats in addition to the hunting harvest to increase the elk population. It says elk calf survival has doubled and herds have increased!
Of course most of us already know this is how it works, but agencies don't seem to possess that knowledge.
Post by: mfswallace on August 06, 2016, 01:28:15 PM
Interesting for sure.
Looks like OR wants to harvest about 16% of it's population annually (based on the estimates given) vs. WA at 13%.
While that doesn't look significant at 3% difference you must take into account the numbers WDFraud and Wolves puts out for cougar populations, they are more than likely double their estimates... Just like wolves and bear estimates
Post by: JLS on August 06, 2016, 01:46:16 PM
Post by: bearpaw on August 06, 2016, 01:56:31 PM
Looks like OR doesn't even come close to filling quotas. They do harvest about 2x the cats that WA does. 177 to 385 in 2014/15 and 202 to 409 in 2015/16.
Without hounds there will be more limitations on how many cats hunters take. I suspect they are using hounds for the targeted removals where they are more significantly reducing the cougar population.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on August 06, 2016, 02:02:10 PM
Post by: JLS on August 06, 2016, 02:11:02 PM
Washington seems like they are more interested in reducing the hunter and fisherman numbers.
Seems that way at times, doesn't it?
Post by: csaaphill on August 06, 2016, 09:10:04 PM
Jan 1st - Dec 31st too.
Post by: finnman on August 16, 2016, 03:25:20 PM
Post by: Special T on August 16, 2016, 05:02:13 PM
The Oregon cougar plan also used the government hunters from the Dept. of Agriculture. They went to several private ranches and ran cats with the hounds and killed many cougars all over the Ukiah and Heppner units. A friend of mine is an outfitter in the Ukiah unit and he has seen drastic improvements in elk numbers. On one of his ranches alone they killed 12 cats. That was just one of several of his ranch properties. The numbers of cats killed was staggering, It was hard to believe the numbers.No its actually not. How long have they hamstrung everyone?
Post by: Kit Carson on August 16, 2016, 11:11:16 PM
Post by: BENCHLEG on August 17, 2016, 09:01:17 PM
Post by: Bango skank on August 17, 2016, 09:03:07 PM
Oregon non resident tag $15.50. Washington $222.00. Way more incentive to buy one in there state. :twocents:
Wow, so their non resident tag is cheaper than our resident tag. Stupid wdfw. Maybe if they werent blowing so much money on this whole wolf b.s. they wouldnt have to charge us so much for everything
Post by: bearpaw on August 18, 2016, 05:15:58 AM
WDFW has swallowed the Weilgus recommendation for cougar management. They don't want to kill many cougar, they think they will self regulate, that is true, they will self regulate, but it will be at a high population level that has significant impacts on our state.
Post by: buglebrush on August 18, 2016, 07:07:55 AM
Post by: jasnt on September 11, 2016, 10:50:11 AM
Post by: huntnphool on September 11, 2016, 09:41:08 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on September 11, 2016, 09:49:36 PM
Does Oregon allow hound hunting and/or trapping?
No to both.
You can run hounds for bobcats in Oregon. Limit 5.
Post by: UrbanTrapper on September 11, 2016, 11:06:02 PM