Post by: Shank on August 16, 2016, 03:32:52 PM
So that brings me to the newer RAMs.
So whats everyone's thoughts on 5.7 vs 6.4 vs 6.7(diesel). Looking at fuel economy, performance etc.
I know I'm going to get folks saying get a Ford, get a Chevy, but I'm a Dodge guy so those aren't on my radar.
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Post by: badnewskruse on August 16, 2016, 03:54:00 PM
Post by: timberfaller on August 16, 2016, 03:57:51 PM
doesn't pull heavy loads, but he didn't with the diesel either.
I've been a "Ford" guy for some time, NEXT rig will NOT be a Ford, unless they change a bunch of things!! :twocents:
Post by: Mark Brenckle on August 16, 2016, 04:02:00 PM
The only time I wish it was smaller is on some of the smaller mountain roads, but I just close my eyes and go for it.
If you don't need a bunch of pulling power, maybe go with a 1500, diesel or gas. :dunno: My problem with the Hemi is I'd be at the gas station and police station a lot!
Post by: Thefisherman83 on August 16, 2016, 04:09:19 PM
Post by: baker5150 on August 16, 2016, 04:09:28 PM
Post by: baker5150 on August 16, 2016, 04:11:02 PM
Sorry, I couldn't help myself. Those mirrors are so UGLY.
I.T.S.
Invisible trailer syndrome
Post by: b23 on August 16, 2016, 04:18:30 PM
I've had both gas and diesel pickups and when you're pulling big loads there is nothing like a diesel but I think unless you truly need a diesel for those specific reasons, the gasser is a better way to go.
Post by: Miles on August 16, 2016, 04:34:37 PM
Post by: Special T on August 16, 2016, 04:39:28 PM
Post by: kirkl on August 16, 2016, 04:41:56 PM
But does good pulling it. I think the 6.4 or Chevy 6.0 liter will be my next truck.
Post by: Taco280AI on August 16, 2016, 04:44:50 PM
Post by: PlateauNDN on August 16, 2016, 05:02:21 PM
Post by: Taco280AI on August 16, 2016, 05:05:48 PM
What about this 5.7?
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1098.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fg364%2Fnwoutdoors%2FMobile%2520Uploads%2F20160722_200324_1.jpg&hash=7af842bf2ec0d64223ef6beead2e9d69b54281ce) (http://s1098.photobucket.com/user/nwoutdoors/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160722_200324_1.jpg.html)
Made in Texas and the 1794 edition was named for the ranch the Toyota plant currently sites on, which was established in 1794
Post by: Miles on August 16, 2016, 05:13:21 PM
My cousin bought a 6.4 he I and really likes it. Mileage is a lot better than I thought. Another buddy with a construction business has the 6.4 and pulls concrete forms around a lot and says they weigh about 12,000-14,000 pounds. He can tell it's back there
But does good pulling it. I think the 6.4 or Chevy 6.0 liter will be my next truck.
Chevy 6.0 sucks for fuel mileage, and I've never been that impressed by the "power".
Post by: b23 on August 16, 2016, 05:23:26 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on August 16, 2016, 05:27:37 PM
What about the new Nissan Titan w/Cummins diesel?
HMMMM, OUGHT TO BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THE ENGINE DESIGN WORKS OUT. :dunno:
Cummins® 5.0-liter DOHC 32-valve V8 Turbo Diesel Engine
Designed exclusively for the TITAN® XD, you've got a high-tech powerhouse, including a two-stage turbo for continuous power, ceramic glow plugs that help warm-up in frigid conditions, and a lightweight compacted graphite iron (CGI) block that's stonger and lighter than traditional iron.
http://www.nissanusa.com/trucks/titan/versions-specs/version.sv.html
Post by: Miles on August 16, 2016, 05:32:56 PM
Post by: baker5150 on August 16, 2016, 05:44:37 PM
It's not a Ford or Chevy
What about this 5.7?
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1098.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fg364%2Fnwoutdoors%2FMobile%2520Uploads%2F20160722_200324_1.jpg&hash=7af842bf2ec0d64223ef6beead2e9d69b54281ce) (http://s1098.photobucket.com/user/nwoutdoors/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160722_200324_1.jpg.html)
Made in Texas and the 1794 edition was named for the ranch the Toyota plant currently sites on, which was established in 1794
Nice trucks but the beds are too small for me.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on August 16, 2016, 06:06:09 PM
Buddy has same rig stock with air suspension option and gets 27-28 not towing.
I put 32k miles on it in first 11 months. Rides great. I commute with it, hunt with it, tow with it. Would get again.
Loaded you are looking at $45k new but can find a Tradesman for $36k if you really search.
Post by: Miles on August 16, 2016, 06:10:25 PM
Post by: rbros on August 16, 2016, 06:12:59 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on August 16, 2016, 07:07:50 PM
What was your reasoning for getting the 1500 Eco diesel? For the price it seems you might as well go with the 3/4 ton and have the added towing ability with similar fuel mileage. :dunno:
3/4 ton costs 20% more, gets 20% less mileage, rides 20% worse.......
Other than that no reason. If I was towing more than 8000# then 3/4 ton is a no brainer.
I have a 3/4 ton suburban I use for towing my 5800# jeep and couple quads - the 1500 doesn't like the tongue weight on that.
Post by: Jpmiller on August 17, 2016, 06:35:11 AM
Bear in mind Cummins engines are inline sixes as opposed to the v8 you find in most other diesels. As such they have less moving parts which is where alot of the reliability comes from. With the factory standard exhaust brake and most newer rams it's hard to go wrong with a ram diesel.
I currently have a ford 250 diesel and regret not getting a Ram. Good luck on the search.
Post by: Jpmiller on August 17, 2016, 06:37:00 AM
Post by: Henrydog on August 17, 2016, 06:46:28 AM
Post by: Russ McDonald on August 17, 2016, 06:53:15 AM
I have a 2012 Ram2500 with the 5.7 Hemi. It is a 6 speed auto and very sluggish in drive as it always shifts to the upper gear for fuel econ. If you lock it out manually in a gear or put it in tow mode its has plenty of tow power. I have tow a 5k Horse trailer with it and it does not break a sweat just burns a lot of fuel....9-11mpg. Empty I see 11-13I have the same truck but 2013 same mileage tows my 25' travel trailer without even knowing it is there. Yeah the constant shifting sucks especially since I go over Tiger Mt. everyday to work but turn to manual shift and works great. I am a hardcore Ford guy too but don't know if I will go back especially a F150.
Post by: birddogdad on August 17, 2016, 07:55:33 AM
Post by: jackelope on August 17, 2016, 09:01:35 AM
I've owned 5 dodge one ton trucks put a lot of miles on them. Only way I'd buy a Dodge is if it was a diesel 6 speed stick. I've had an auto and a 5 speed stick and they are horrible. If all I was towing was a jeep it be a gasser for certain.What you do with your trucks and what 99% of the rest of the population do with theirs are apples and oranges...let's be honest.
Transmission problems in Dodge trucks are a thing of the early-mid 2000's. They don't have issues like that anymore and haven't for 10 years. There will for sure be someone who chimes in and says they had a problem with the transmission in their 2010 Ram, but there's nothing like the commonality of the issues they had back when....
Post by: Miles on August 17, 2016, 09:07:37 AM
Post by: Special T on August 17, 2016, 09:10:17 AM
It sounds like a gasser auto is the best investment for the OP. I don't have ANY experience with those other than my brother in laws F150s he has had on the farm that took a beating.
Post by: jackelope on August 17, 2016, 09:16:26 AM
Josh, do you see a large amount of sensor related issues with the newer Dodge trucks?
I'm a Ford guy now but still have pretty regular communication with our Dodge store. I am mostly out of the Mopar loop for the last ~3 years.
Post by: Mxracer532 on August 17, 2016, 09:41:01 AM
Post by: Shank on August 17, 2016, 09:59:30 AM
The Tundras like brought up earlier..are awesome for sure, but for me the box on the crew cabs are just to small. Can't even fit my dirt bike in it, then the cost of them is equal to a nicely equipped ram diesel.
I've been looking at Dave Smith's website. It's crazy, I can almost get a diesel (6spd manual) for just a few more $ then a 6.4 gas pot. Looking on line 5.7 vs 6.4 power out put doesn't seem to be that big of a difference..am I seeing this wrong?
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Post by: Jpmiller on August 17, 2016, 10:08:35 AM
The specs from the factory make the bigger engines look kind of pointless. We had paperwork in our sales room detailing the improvements and we had to remove them because everybody who saw them wanted a used 5.7 instead.
Post by: chuck270 on August 17, 2016, 10:32:07 AM
I run a 2011 Ram 3500 6.7 diesel, love it, but given the improvement in gas power plants over the last couple of years it is more than likely my last diesel pickup.
Post by: Bushcraft on August 17, 2016, 10:32:14 AM
It gets 24-25 mpg at posted highway speeds and will pull whatever needs to be moved.
Post by: jackelope on August 17, 2016, 10:38:30 AM
I've spent more then my fair share of time working for Chrysler/Jeep/dodge in the late 90s thru late 2000s as well as a tenure at Toyota. Trans issues for the Mopars are just nature of the beast..for the time period I was there. My current RAM doesn't have trans problems, but if any occur it's no big deal to yank it and rebuild it.
The Tundras like brought up earlier..are awesome for sure, but for me the box on the crew cabs are just to small. Can't even fit my dirt bike in it, then the cost of them is equal to a nicely equipped ram diesel.
I've been looking at Dave Smith's website. It's crazy, I can almost get a diesel (6spd manual) for just a few more $ then a 6.4 gas pot. Looking on line 5.7 vs 6.4 power out put doesn't seem to be that big of a difference..am I seeing this wrong?
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I don't look at it from a "what's needed from a power standpoint" in this case. Better fuel economy, the ability to do a lot more should you ever need it, the lower maintenance costs of a diesel, etc all trump the fact that I only "need" a half ton.
I say go diesel and don't look back.
Post by: Taco280AI on August 17, 2016, 10:41:42 AM
Post by: Mxracer532 on August 17, 2016, 10:48:20 AM
Actually my Tundra was cheaper than an F150 or Ram with similar options with current deals offered. Matching up best I could an F150 would have been almost $49k down from about $57k. Dodge, don't recall exactly. Mine was $51k and got it for $44.9k. GMC was cheapest with their deals but didn't like the truck. And with the double cab you can very easily fit a bike or quad. The crewmax only has the 5.5' bed.
I am a Toyota guy through and through. Owned Tacoma, 03 Tundra, and 08 Tundra and never once had to anything but put gas in them. That being said, yes they have 381hp and 401ft lbs of torque, (not much less then Dodges new 6.4) buy if you honestly think either the 6.4 or the Tundra 5.7 tow as well as a diesel your fooling yourself. I just sold my Tundra 5.7 and bought my Duramax. NIGHT AND DAY difference towing the same trailer. 2016 Creekside 23DBS 6180lbs dry.
Post by: JoeE on August 17, 2016, 10:53:54 AM
How do the Tundra cabs compare to that dodge mega cabs as far as size?
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on August 17, 2016, 10:59:54 AM
Post by: Miles on August 17, 2016, 11:07:13 AM
Actually my Tundra was cheaper than an F150 or Ram with similar options with current deals offered. Matching up best I could an F150 would have been almost $49k down from about $57k. Dodge, don't recall exactly. Mine was $51k and got it for $44.9k. GMC was cheapest with their deals but didn't like the truck. And with the double cab you can very easily fit a bike or quad. The crewmax only has the 5.5' bed.. You can get into a 16 duramax LT for $50k if you do your homework... That compared to a gas rig in the same ballpark would be a easy choice. Go diesel.
Post by: Taco280AI on August 17, 2016, 11:10:32 AM
Crewmax Tundra has lots of room in the back. Been a while since I've seen a megacab so can't compare.
And I'm not saying gas vs diesel, no comparison. Am saying if the OP is considering the 5.7 Hemi why not look at Toyota as well and their 5.7. If you want/need diesel Toyota is out.
Post by: Miles on August 17, 2016, 11:18:22 AM
Upgraded audio and NAV? Leather heated/cooled seats with dual climate control? Fully loaded?
Crewmax Tundra has lots of room in the back. Been a while since I've seen a megacab so can't compare.
And I'm not saying gas vs diesel, no comparison. Am saying if the OP is considering the 5.7 Hemi why not look at Toyota as well and their 5.7. If you want/need diesel Toyota is out.
Everything minus leather.. Tons of room in the back of a crew cab.
Post by: Taco280AI on August 17, 2016, 11:24:59 AM
The interior was the selling point for the 1794
(Forgot to add sunroof to the list above too)
Post by: DRobnsn on August 17, 2016, 03:02:08 PM
I haul my 33' TT at 9000lbs, plus the truck bed loaded for camping get around 13mpg. If I were looking for another Ram 2500 or 3500 and had to do emissions testing I would go with a newer 13 and up DEF (diesel exhaust fluid) design. Personally I wouldn't buy any new 3/4 or 1 ton gasser. If I were going gas I'd just buy a Toyota 1/2 ton and deal with the shorter bed and lower capacities.
Post by: yajsab on August 17, 2016, 03:31:17 PM
Post by: Miles on August 17, 2016, 03:34:50 PM
Post by: jkthomps on August 17, 2016, 04:19:39 PM
I would get the Ram 2500 in diesel and never look back. I towed my 2012 JKU (heavier than hell after I built it up) with my 2007 Dodge and it was like it wasn't even back there... the new diesels are just flat out amazing compared to the older ones. So much power potential and fuel economy is great. Technology has come a long ways on these pickups.
great, now that I read this thread I am considering trading my F150 in already for another diesel... maybe. ;)
Post by: Mudman on August 17, 2016, 04:31:05 PM
Post by: Miles on August 18, 2016, 05:55:15 PM
Post by: 2labs on August 18, 2016, 06:10:26 PM
Garbage vehicles, great engine! :twocents:
Post by: baker5150 on August 18, 2016, 06:11:59 PM
We briefly looked at dodge diesels when shopping for a new truck. I couldn't get past seeing all the dodge trucks with dents and rippling down the top part of the beds. For those that don't know what I'm talking about, start looking at an angle lengthwise down the bed sides of all newer dodges that you see on the road. It's like they went super cheap with too thin of metal to hold up? The wife and I liked some things about them, but couldn't see spending that amount on something that dents up with normal use.
This is an issue with all newer trucks. We've ran all 3 major brands and all of them dented if you sneezed too hard.
Post by: baker5150 on August 18, 2016, 06:15:56 PM
Cummins saved Dodge! Why would you own a mopar unless it is packing a Cummins?
Garbage vehicles, great engine! :twocents:
I've never understood this thinking. The Chevys we run at work are complete junk. The interiors can't hold up. Cheap plastic everywhere. Crap window tracks. Faded and chipped paint. It's rediculous. These are work trucks that can't take the work.
The dodges hold up fine. Other than seat tears/bad foam and ball joint issues, we have no issues at all.
Post by: Miles on August 18, 2016, 06:22:28 PM
We briefly looked at dodge diesels when shopping for a new truck. I couldn't get past seeing all the dodge trucks with dents and rippling down the top part of the beds. For those that don't know what I'm talking about, start looking at an angle lengthwise down the bed sides of all newer dodges that you see on the road. It's like they went super cheap with too thin of metal to hold up? The wife and I liked some things about them, but couldn't see spending that amount on something that dents up with normal use.
This is an issue with all newer trucks. We've ran all 3 major brands and all of them dented if you sneezed too hard.
I look for this frequently since noticing it. It's hard to find a year old dodge that doesn't look like the bed went through a hail storm (on the top portion). I rarely see this with ford or Chevy. I get what you're saying about thin metals, and yes, they all dent easier then years ago. It just seems dodge has a flaw on rigidity and durability in that top bed area.
Post by: Miles on August 18, 2016, 06:32:50 PM
Post by: Mudman on August 18, 2016, 08:19:38 PM
Post by: jackelope on August 19, 2016, 08:23:39 AM
Who cares? Are you buying a truck or a minivan? Really I have dents. so what I work the heck out of it... Good truck, tough, reliable, economical, powerful! get some aftermarket bed rails and roll with it. Dodge will fall apart around the engine-promise. A good thing vs a 7000k engine...
I don't want a truck that will dent if you sneeze too close to it.
Post by: Henrydog on August 19, 2016, 08:40:02 AM
And I'm not talking about construction or work rigs... I've got three dodge trucks on my street that are normal household use family rigs, and all are dented up only in that area. I can see it while driving by at 15mph.
That's because dodge owners use their trucks as trucks. Most others are pavement princesses :IBCOOL: I have honestly own 1 gmc 1 chevy 2 dodges and 1 ford. Best looking and riding: the ford but I had 2 trannys under warranty. Best fit and finish the Chevy, but when towing the tranny temp always scared the crap out of me. The two dodges: poor fit and finish, cheap looking and poor handling. But they started everyday
Post by: Special T on August 19, 2016, 08:40:29 AM
Post by: DRobnsn on August 19, 2016, 10:31:06 AM
Post by: Mudman on August 19, 2016, 10:35:48 AM
Post by: BDildine on August 19, 2016, 11:30:46 AM
Cummins saved Dodge! Why would you own a mopar unless it is packing a Cummins?The joke always was the shipping crate will fall apart before the motor.
Garbage vehicles, great engine! :twocents:
Could look for a "Fummins" aka Cummins swapped ford.
Post by: Miles on August 26, 2016, 05:23:00 AM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on August 26, 2016, 07:15:41 AM
This is an issue with all newer trucks. We've ran all 3 major brands and all of them dented if you sneezed too hard.
:yeah:
Had a chevy truck for commuter and bed rail wash-boarded just from hand grabs.
My dodge is no better but has a rail cap at least.
Post by: C-Money on August 26, 2016, 07:49:46 AM
Post by: Jpmiller on August 26, 2016, 09:42:08 AM
Post by: Shank on August 27, 2016, 08:12:45 AM
Been talking with Dave Smith, getting prices. Think I'm going to pull the trigger next summer....my 40th bday present to myself
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Post by: brush hunter on August 27, 2016, 08:36:39 AM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on August 27, 2016, 09:19:38 AM
Dave Smith is a joke, when I bought my '12 all they wanted to do is sell me what they wanted to sell. You can get a quoit from them and make a deal online with a dealer, they will all beat the Dave Smith deal,
With their low markup they can't do dealer trades or special orders efficiently. But if they have what you want Ive found their prices as low or lower than other dealers .
Post by: Special T on August 27, 2016, 11:14:13 PM
Post by: jmscon on August 27, 2016, 11:28:06 PM
But, I'm not sure if this is true in other states, if you trade a vehicle in you don't have to pay sales tax on the new rig. Found that out on the last truck I bought!
Post by: JDHasty on August 28, 2016, 01:15:58 AM
Post by: kirkl on August 28, 2016, 09:05:29 AM
Post by: gasman on August 28, 2016, 09:51:51 AM
Tow my jeep and haul my camper with it since I bought it with 22k miles.
Love it, mostly problem free, never left me stranded :tup:
Lacking a little power on the passes when, towing loaded with my 9.5ft camper, but I'm completely satisfied.
Looking to get a new truck in the next year and plan on a diesel, but that's only because I want the longevity of the diesel motor. Planning on making it my last truck for atleast 15 years or so.
Mileage sucks on Hemi, 12 city, 14 Hwy, 9 towing :bash:
Post by: Mudman on August 28, 2016, 10:45:43 AM