Post by: jrebel on February 08, 2009, 04:57:48 PM
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on February 08, 2009, 05:09:30 PM
I spoke to an accomplished archer and hunter at the range one time that was using one of those sights. I asked him if he ever forgets to set the yardage and he let out a sheepish laugh and said yes. It has cost him some trophies but he must like it because everytime I see him he is still using it. If it works for you and you like it then stick with what works for you.
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on February 08, 2009, 07:52:31 PM
Post by: tonymoe on February 09, 2009, 06:21:54 AM
Post by: bowhuntin on February 09, 2009, 07:00:04 AM
we had a debate on this before in here.. to me it makes no sense to use one, hunting is all about simplicity in your set up, the less that can go wrong the better...... with fixed pins there is no need to move anything, range or guess the yardage, aim and shoot.. pretty simple if you ask me, you dont have to move the sight, which takes precious time. time that might cost you the animal of a lifetime.. its a no brainer, fixed pins will always be the best bowhunting sight........
Hoyt said it best IMO. Why make things more difficult and having one more thing to remember or to go wrong in a hunting situation. The simpler the better.
Post by: 300UltraMagShooter on February 09, 2009, 07:14:09 AM
Me, I use multiple pins when on the ground and a single pin from a treestand.
Works best for me.
Post by: jrebel on February 09, 2009, 08:50:28 AM
Do you agree or not? :dunno: :dunno:
Post by: TeacherMan on February 09, 2009, 09:19:36 AM
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on February 09, 2009, 07:50:58 PM
Really appriciate your thoughts..... But let me pose this question. With the new bows (I shoot a DXT) and the speed that they shoot, a guy could set his single pin for 30 yards and hit anythging from 0 to 40 by simply holding 2 inches high or 2 inches low? Anything over 40 you usually have time to move the pin? And I usually don't shoot much over that anyway.
Do you agree or not? :dunno: :dunno:
First off your bow is the best bow matthews makes IMO.. but at 320's IBO its not a screamer and unless you have a huge draw length 30+ and are shooting 70lbs.. your speed will not be crazy fast... certainly not fast enough to hold 2 in high or low and drill a deer, elk maybe.. but why not hold right on? the only time you dont have to with pins if if you gap shoot. say the animal is 45yrds.. 40 on the back, 50 should be on the brisket.. done deal.. other then that, figure out the yardage and let fly.. from a treestand either sight is great.. most stand shots are under 30yrds.. hell most are under 20 so a fixed pin or movable will work well for you.. but non stand hunting a 5-7 pin will always be the fastest, easiest and most efficient hunting sight
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on February 09, 2009, 08:10:46 PM
Really appriciate your thoughts..... But let me pose this question. With the new bows (I shoot a DXT) and the speed that they shoot, a guy could set his single pin for 30 yards and hit anythging from 0 to 40 by simply holding 2 inches high or 2 inches low? Anything over 40 you usually have time to move the pin? And I usually don't shoot much over that anyway.
Do you agree or not? :dunno: :dunno:
I do not agree. I think a 20 yard pin is absolutley necessary. Back when I was stupid, oddly enough that was not very long ago, I was convinced that because of my blazing speed I could get away with a 40 yard pin as my first pin. That decision never cost me an animal but it did cause me to make some seriously unethical hits on game. I got the animals but the thought of the animal possibly having to die a terrible long drawn out death was to much for me. I will always have a 20 yard pin. ALWAYS. I still shoot blazing speed but I will never go without a 20 yard pin ever again.
Post by: Alan K on February 09, 2009, 08:16:59 PM
I have a 5 pinner set for 30,40,50,60,70.
Post by: TeacherMan on February 09, 2009, 08:22:20 PM
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on February 09, 2009, 08:59:22 PM
Post by: Slider on February 09, 2009, 09:09:23 PM
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on February 09, 2009, 09:12:23 PM
I've been shooting a Single pin for years!!! I set it for 30 yards. Shoot a little high at 35. If it's 40 or more I range it and move the sight. To many pins will cause you to shoot the wrong pin. Why do you think Cameron Hanes epoxys little yardage stickers on his pins? :rolleyes:
I have only done that one time while hunting and it cost me a really nice 4x4 blacktail. I was off by three pins so it was just a total *censored*. My arrow hit right by his hoof.
As the venerable Homer would say......DOH!
Post by: Alan K on February 09, 2009, 09:16:49 PM
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on February 09, 2009, 09:16:58 PM
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on February 09, 2009, 09:18:04 PM
Post by: Bearhunter on February 09, 2009, 09:24:17 PM
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on February 09, 2009, 09:25:27 PM
Post by: Bearhunter on February 09, 2009, 09:30:20 PM
Post by: TeacherMan on February 09, 2009, 09:32:58 PM
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on February 09, 2009, 09:33:38 PM
Team FMP boys shoot out to 100yards, and they enjoy the controvercy they get that comes with it. They are very confident/yet caulky about there kills. Shawn Monson seems like a cool guy in person though. Anthony Dixon is the founder. There videos are bit different than you standard hunting video.
Once again there are those that can and those that can't. Usually those that can't complain like hell cause it's unethical etc. etc. etc.
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on February 09, 2009, 09:36:43 PM
Team FMP boys shoot out to 100yards, and they enjoy the controvercy they get that comes with it. They are very confident/yet caulky about there kills. Shawn Monson seems like a cool guy in person though. Anthony Dixon is the founder. There videos are bit different than you standard hunting video.
Once again there are those that can and those that can't. Usually those that can't complain like hell cause it's unethical etc. etc. etc.
well said! I have got my share of that from saying I have taken deer at 75 and would shoot a elk at 100 if all was right
Post by: Alan K on February 09, 2009, 09:37:17 PM
Post by: Slider on February 09, 2009, 09:38:08 PM
I have never had that happen, but I could see how it could, putting the yardage next to the pin is just insurance... still much faster then moving anything once the animal is in range.. there is a good reason why 99% of bowhunters that don't treestand hunt use a fixed pin.... simplicity.......baby
I use to use 3 pins and then took one out and started using a 25 and a 40. It works pretty well. My partner still uses two. My guess is Camron has shot the wrong pin before epoxying a sticker on his sights works for him. It's an excellent idea. Pryor to using a single pin I have shot the wrong pin shooting 3 d as have most people I know. There is an old saying in the motor cycle world. If you have never been down your on your way. ;)
Post by: TeacherMan on February 09, 2009, 09:39:07 PM
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on February 09, 2009, 09:40:48 PM
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on February 09, 2009, 09:47:06 PM
Seems most of the time those complaining are shooting at paper plates at 20 and 30 yards putting all their shots on it and patting themselves on the back about how good they shoot and their groups are the size of a flock of geese.
Your right again, and sadly id say thats most bowhunters.. not all by any means but most... I love the fact I compete and shoot year round.. 700-1000 arrows a week sure makes those shots come hunting season a breeze...
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on February 09, 2009, 09:48:45 PM
If you can come up next year you know I'm going to just show you deer now at 80 to 100yds. :chuckle:
There is no If, I will, and am looking forward to it, just like your steelhead trips! also If 80 is as close as we can get, Ill kill it and you can tape it to show people it can be done 'ethically' and quickly.. But id rather have a 20-50 yrd shot ;)
Post by: TeacherMan on February 09, 2009, 09:56:29 PM
For angle shots we would craw up on the roof of my house. I took the ladder from him one day in August and left him up on the black roof outside the Spokane area for about 15 minutes. I thought he was going to kill me :chuckle:
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on February 10, 2009, 09:42:02 PM
You know what will happen it has happend to me before, you will practice all summer out to 70+ yards and be able to hit a bottle cap at that range and you will be in a bind and have one walk within 5 yds of you and you wont know what to do. I remeber me and a buddy where watching an alfalfa field and I watched him empty his quiver on a buck that was directly under his stand. From that point on we made a few shots every day from 5-70 yds. :chuckle:
For angle shots we would craw up on the roof of my house. I took the ladder from him one day in August and left him up on the black roof outside the Spokane area for about 15 minutes. I thought he was going to kill me :chuckle:
Thats to bad for your buddy.. I know that wont happen at any range for me, Ive been lucky enough to take a animal or two and have never had bad buckfever.. shooting comps is harder on the nerves then any animal..... just get me a shot.. Ill do the rest ;)
Post by: MIKEXRAY on February 11, 2009, 08:34:44 AM
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on February 11, 2009, 10:33:50 AM
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Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on February 11, 2009, 11:27:53 AM
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on February 11, 2009, 11:40:02 AM
Anybody with experience otherwise please relate.
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on February 11, 2009, 09:21:12 PM
Post by: TeacherMan on February 11, 2009, 09:34:33 PM
Post by: huntnphool on February 11, 2009, 09:34:39 PM
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I currently use a six pin fiber optic sight and have had really good luck with it.
+1 You know whats nice? When you're drawn at 30 yards and every one of your 6 pins are on the animal :IBCOOL: thats how it was for me moose hunting and it was a great feeling :tup:
Post by: TeacherMan on February 11, 2009, 09:36:09 PM
QuoteI currently use a six pin fiber optic sight and have had really good luck with it.
+1 You know whats nice? When you're drawn at 30 yards and every one of your 6 pins are on the animal :IBCOOL: thats how it was for me moose hunting and it was a great feeling :tup:
:chuckle:
Post by: 300UltraMagShooter on February 11, 2009, 09:48:37 PM
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on February 11, 2009, 10:07:40 PM
Well I guess I'm opening myself up hear but I have taken a doe at 89yrds with my b tag a couple years ago. BUT, there is always that but, I practice out to 90 all summer long, I don't work in the summer and on average I shoot over an hour a day and some days 3 or 4, 7 days a week. I can put 5 arrows in a pie pan at 90 so why not. I knew I would find her she was on the edge of a clear cut I could see for 1000yds beyond her, as is she only went 30 and layed down and died. Perfect heart lung, arrow sunk up to the fletching!!! She never even saw me or knew what happend. I think a person just needs to know there equipment and be confident in any shot that they make. If you are confident out to 70 great, my buddy shoots a long bow, he wont shoot past 30, good for him. Know your ability, take well placed shots, and practice.
Thats awesome, great shot! maybe when I come up we can have a broadhead shoot off? maybe put some cash down? Im always up for some fun, lose, win or tie.. your shot is a great example... burried to the fletch at 90yrds and she did not know what hit her! you practice a ton, so does anyone that will confidently take a shot that far.....