Post by: cumminsbassguy on August 28, 2016, 10:39:18 PM
-Dustin
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Post by: 7mmfan on August 30, 2016, 10:41:07 AM
That being said, I constantly overthink it as well, and am actually about to send my Kuiou Vias camo back to exchange for Verde.
Post by: JLS on August 30, 2016, 11:06:12 AM
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Post by: lokidog on August 30, 2016, 12:10:13 PM
Post by: Bob33 on August 30, 2016, 12:15:05 PM
I don't think the camo pattern makes much difference other than making a hunter lighter from a loss of wallet content.
Post by: jackmaster on August 30, 2016, 12:31:17 PM
Post by: JLS on August 30, 2016, 12:39:41 PM
Use something with no UV brighteners in it.
Post by: Pathfinder101 on August 30, 2016, 01:02:39 PM
Your much bigger concern should be the detergent you are using. Lots of commercial detergents have brightening agents added to them that make you a UV beacon to deer and elk.
Use something with no UV brighteners in it.
:yeah:
Plus the only thing I have noticed about camo patterns (we actually discovered this in the Army), is that most patterns (like the old Army BDU pattern) are too dark. Past 50 yards you just look like a black blob. Light patterns work better. Other than that... doesn't really matter...
Post by: cbond3318 on August 30, 2016, 01:06:10 PM
The fact you are thinking it matters is just good marketing. :twocents:
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on August 30, 2016, 01:51:45 PM
Post by: rtspring on August 30, 2016, 02:09:17 PM
Optifade in sage country is awesome! And It has worked time and time again for me, big game, or waterfowl..
Post by: DaveMonti on August 30, 2016, 09:31:34 PM
It certainly doesn't hurt to have a broken pattern. That being said, I tend to agree with Pathfinder, most patterns are darker than surroundings. If it makes you feel more confident, it may just help you hunt smarter!
Post by: Jonathan_S on August 30, 2016, 09:40:59 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on August 30, 2016, 09:42:17 PM
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Post by: j_h_nimrod on August 30, 2016, 09:55:26 PM
Camo is just a hyped up sales gimmick that was made up in the south. I have never used, or own any. I don't believe in it. Movement and smell is what gets you and nothing else. I don't wear camo. Solid black is probably alot better than any camo out there.
I agree for the most part, though I do use camo a bit. I will disagree with the solid black though, you are better off in a medium bark gray which blends in better to backgrounds. Black is on the far side of the color spectrum and in grayscale is much more visible than middle colors.
Post by: kentrek on August 30, 2016, 09:56:13 PM
Optifade in sage country is awesome! And It has worked time and time again for me, big game, or waterfowl..
:yeah: I give alot of credit to the optifade
If you had a bull at 5 yards, wold you still pick a solid ?? Better to have it and not need it then need it and not have in regards to the camo in my opinion
Post by: MtnMuley on August 30, 2016, 09:59:08 PM
Optifade in sage country is awesome! And It has worked time and time again for me, big game, or waterfowl..
:yeah: I give alot of credit to the optifade
If you had a bull at 5 yards, wold you still pick a solid ?? Better to have it and not need it then need it and not have in regards to the camo in my opinion
We'll said. If I'm buying top end gear to preform like I want, I'm surely not going buy a solid when I can get a pattern to break up my outline. :twocents:
Post by: buglebrush on August 30, 2016, 10:03:15 PM
Camo is just a hyped up sales gimmick that was made up in the south. I have never used, or own any. I don't believe in it. Movement and smell is what gets you and nothing else. I don't wear camo. Solid black is probably alot better than any camo out there.
Have to disagree here. Certain patterns are certainly hyped as being so much better than another, but breaking up your outline when bowhunting is a definite improvement over solid colors. :twocents:
Post by: lokidog on August 30, 2016, 10:43:13 PM
Solid black is probably alot better than any camo out there.
I would disagree unless you are in a blind. My grandfather's horses all freaked out at black things like mailboxes or asphalt driveways. I would think there is something genetic with prey species that would do the same. I wouldn't risk it anyways. :twocents: Well, maybe if hunting in a recently burned out area. ;)
Post by: Mudman on August 30, 2016, 10:52:21 PM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on August 31, 2016, 09:13:58 AM
Optifade in sage country is awesome! And It has worked time and time again for me, big game, or waterfowl..
:yeah: I give alot of credit to the optifade
If you had a bull at 5 yards, wold you still pick a solid ?? Better to have it and not need it then need it and not have in regards to the camo in my opinion
We learned that when the Army started using the digital ACU pattern. Blended in really well with busted concrete and sagebrush (which we expected). We did not expect it to blend in as well as it did with forested mountain environment. Again, I attribute this to the lighter color.
Post by: Tjv28 on August 31, 2016, 10:45:06 AM
Post by: Yondering on August 31, 2016, 10:48:21 AM
IMO, it only matters that the tone is similar to your background
That's my take as well. Some sort of camo/blending in is good, beyond that, holding in your farts is more important.
Post by: Yondering on August 31, 2016, 10:51:07 AM
Solid black is probably alot better than any camo out there.
I strongly disagree with that. I've hunted a few times wearing insulated overalls that were solid black, and "got made" by at least 3 deer in different places, when I was downwind and no movement. Two of those times were elevated positions, sitting in a tree.
Solid black just stands out. Bad choice for hunting.
Post by: theleo on August 31, 2016, 10:59:45 AM
I wonder how many guys that are saying "Camo doesn't matter" have $3000 worth of camo in their closet! :chuckle:
Who better would know than the guys who've wasted thousands of dollars to pay for that opinion. :tup:
Post by: theleo on August 31, 2016, 11:02:46 AM
Mountain lions are a fairly solid color, and they seem to get within 5 yards to elk. :dunno:
If you had a bull at 5 yards, wold you still pick a solid ?? Better to have it and not need it then need it and not have in regards to the camo in my opinion
Post by: bradslam on August 31, 2016, 12:02:15 PM
Mountain lions are a fairly solid color, and they seem to get within 5 yards to elk. :dunno:
If you had a bull at 5 yards, wold you still pick a solid ?? Better to have it and not need it then need it and not have in regards to the camo in my opinion
True, but their profile from head-on is smaller and lower than a human's. Also, their color tone is on the light side of the spectrum which jibes with what others on here are saying about the lighter-colored camo patterns performing better under most circumstances.
Post by: Bob33 on August 31, 2016, 12:10:19 PM
BOM: Black Overalls Matter.Solid black is probably alot better than any camo out there.
I strongly disagree with that. I've hunted a few times wearing insulated overalls that were solid black, and "got made" by at least 3 deer in different places, when I was downwind and no movement. Two of those times were elevated positions, sitting in a tree.
Solid black just stands out. Bad choice for hunting.
Post by: jasnt on August 31, 2016, 12:31:59 PM
My best camo is an old fleece Big Bill and a face net. 20$ at Sunbirds 8 years old.. It has been flawless except zipper finally broke. Fleece is so quiet too. I have fancier stuff but it hasn't performed as well. I think maybe the 3d effect of fleece may help? Like Fur?i love fleace. Hunting the dry side makes it easier though it does shed water better than many I've used. I like earthy colors. One of my fav is my fleace M2d, it's light color and soft fluffy texture is what I like best. Super quiet. I think quiet is the most important. Game hear very well especially unnatural sounds
Post by: Pathfinder101 on August 31, 2016, 01:15:11 PM
Solid black is probably alot better than any camo out there.
I strongly disagree with that. I've hunted a few times wearing insulated overalls that were solid black, and "got made" by at least 3 deer in different places, when I was downwind and no movement. Two of those times were elevated positions, sitting in a tree.
Solid black just stands out. Bad choice for hunting.
X3 IMHO. Like I said, dark patterns that "look black" at past 50 yards make you easy to pick out.
Post by: DaveMonti on August 31, 2016, 02:40:25 PM
Post by: kentrek on August 31, 2016, 02:42:06 PM
Mountain lions are a fairly solid color, and they seem to get within 5 yards to elk. :dunno:
If you had a bull at 5 yards, wold you still pick a solid ?? Better to have it and not need it then need it and not have in regards to the camo in my opinion
Then use a solid :tup:
Post by: Pathfinder101 on August 31, 2016, 02:46:19 PM
Mountain lions are a fairly solid color, and they seem to get within 5 yards to elk. :dunno:
If you had a bull at 5 yards, wold you still pick a solid ?? Better to have it and not need it then need it and not have in regards to the camo in my opinion
Then use a solid :tup:
Or wear a cougar costume... :dunno: Spirit Superstore must have something that will work...
Post by: kentrek on August 31, 2016, 03:12:20 PM
Mountain lions are a fairly solid color, and they seem to get within 5 yards to elk. :dunno:
If you had a bull at 5 yards, wold you still pick a solid ?? Better to have it and not need it then need it and not have in regards to the camo in my opinion
Then use a solid :tup:
Or wear a cougar costume... :dunno: Spirit Superstore must have something that will work...
Seems like the only way to go once you look at things from a scientific approach
Post by: KFhunter on August 31, 2016, 03:18:05 PM
Post by: theleo on August 31, 2016, 03:24:37 PM
You disappoint me, somebody brings up a cougar costume and you and put up a "G" rated photo like that? No sir, I have my dignity. If I'm dressing like a cougar it's a mini skirt and fish nets. It'd give me the benefit of others hunters not crowding me and giving me plenty of room.Mountain lions are a fairly solid color, and they seem to get within 5 yards to elk. :dunno:
If you had a bull at 5 yards, wold you still pick a solid ?? Better to have it and not need it then need it and not have in regards to the camo in my opinion
Then use a solid :tup:
Or wear a cougar costume... :dunno: Spirit Superstore must have something that will work...
Seems like the only way to go once you look at things from a scientific approach
I like ASAT myself but I mostly have discount King's camo. I was playing devils advocate in favor of solids.
Post by: huntnfmly on August 31, 2016, 03:28:51 PM
Post by: kentrek on August 31, 2016, 03:29:18 PM
You disappoint me, somebody brings up a cougar costume and you and put up a "G" rated photo like that? No sir, I have my dignity. If I'm dressing like a cougar it's a mini skirt and fish nets. It'd give me the benefit of others hunters not crowding me and giving me plenty of room.Mountain lions are a fairly solid color, and they seem to get within 5 yards to elk. :dunno:
If you had a bull at 5 yards, wold you still pick a solid ?? Better to have it and not need it then need it and not have in regards to the camo in my opinion
Then use a solid :tup:
Or wear a cougar costume... :dunno: Spirit Superstore must have something that will work...
Seems like the only way to go once you look at things from a scientific approach
I like ASAT myself but I mostly have discount King's camo. I was playing devils advocate in favor of solids.
Type in "cougar costume" on Google and youl see my options... it was tempting :chuckle:
:tup:
Post by: Yondering on August 31, 2016, 04:45:02 PM
Black clothing has the "Scary Grim Reaper Effect" on game. It's a well documented phenomenon.
LOL, well put! That's exactly how the deer acted that saw me in my black overalls!
I guess the scythe I was hunting with might have put them off a little too, should I go with a bead blasted stainless finish on that next time, or hydro-dip camo?
Post by: cumminsbassguy on August 31, 2016, 05:36:38 PM
Post by: cbond3318 on August 31, 2016, 05:53:16 PM
Jeez guys. I didn't think I would be deer hunting in a cougar costume .. makes sense though. Haha. In that video I watched.. what ever makes you hunt better . Wear it. I'll probably get the outfitter camo just for the heck of it
If you can get a Cougar pattern in Wolf, you'd be unstoppable.
Post by: lokidog on August 31, 2016, 09:55:50 PM
Jeez guys. I didn't think I would be deer hunting in a cougar costume .. makes sense though. Haha. In that video I watched.. what ever makes you hunt better . Wear it. I'll probably get the outfitter camo just for the heck of it
If you can get a Cougar pattern in Wolf, you'd be unstoppable.
The antis wouldn't mess with you either.... :rolleyes: :chuckle:
Post by: DaveMonti on September 01, 2016, 06:39:04 AM
Jeez guys. I didn't think I would be deer hunting in a cougar costume .. makes sense though. Haha. In that video I watched.. what ever makes you hunt better . Wear it. I'll probably get the outfitter camo just for the heck of it
I think the Outfitter camo is a good choice. I was all set to buy it when I saw the O2 Octane and decided to go with that. I hunt both sage country in Montana and the deep dark timber on the West side and the colors just seemed more in tune with those situations, but I really like the Guide camo and may still buy some.
Post by: Miles on September 01, 2016, 06:45:59 AM
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on September 01, 2016, 11:12:32 AM
Post by: Yondering on September 01, 2016, 11:49:54 AM
Last year on an archery hunt here in ca I woke up to a very unexpected mountain rainstorm. All I had for rain gear in my truck was an emergency set of blue frog toggs. I put them on and hit the trail. An hour later I got to 74 yards (ranged) from a fork blacktail. I did slip the rain gear off at that point and finished the stalk to a distance of 17 yards with a solid green fleece jacket before putting an arrow in him. Tell me again how important the latest and greatest camo is...
Heavy rain makes great camo.
Post by: boneaddict on September 01, 2016, 11:51:34 AM
Post by: cbond3318 on September 01, 2016, 12:17:06 PM
Last year on an archery hunt here in ca I woke up to a very unexpected mountain rainstorm. All I had for rain gear in my truck was an emergency set of blue frog toggs. I put them on and hit the trail. An hour later I got to 74 yards (ranged) from a fork blacktail. I did slip the rain gear off at that point and finished the stalk to a distance of 17 yards with a solid green fleece jacket before putting an arrow in him. Tell me again how important the latest and greatest camo is...
Heavy rain makes great camo.
So does high winds....
Post by: baker5150 on September 01, 2016, 12:30:27 PM
The way I like to hunt I prefer light weight and water proof, yet still quiet and breathable. The pattern/color is not as big a deal to me.
Coming from the Snowboard/ski industry I knew exactly what I was comfortable in for long, cold, wet days, that can instantly turn into long dry warm days.
Post by: coachcw on September 01, 2016, 10:06:45 PM
Post by: huntnfmly on September 02, 2016, 09:47:12 PM
Very interesting on the way deer see things and the experts that helped come up with the pattern
Post by: CAMPMEAT on September 03, 2016, 07:11:19 AM
Post by: Stein on September 03, 2016, 08:34:54 AM
Wear the best camo and move around and any animal can pick you out instantly.
We got under 40 yards from numerous goats with $6 clearance camo shirts from Cabelas and $30 pants.
Post by: davk on September 05, 2016, 09:50:45 PM
Of course it matters! Why do you think people sell hundreds of dollars of last years camo for pennies on the dollar to buy this years set of all matching gear right down to the undies and socks? :chuckle::chuckle:You laugh until a deer jumps you going #2. Camo undies are worth their weight in gold! :chuckle:
The important thing is to get behind one camo pattern and dig in deep! The most effective camo is the camo that you think is the most effective ... PERIOD! Scent, movement are probably the most important. Earth tones work fine ... although I do mostly wear camo :dunno: As also mentioned, much of the higher end gear I like ends up in camo. And Id rather support hunting companies than backpacking/mountaineering companies. Id stick with lighter camos over dark. As someone earlier mentioned you just turn into a dark blob. I also prefer covering as much skin as possible.
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Post by: Old Man Yager on September 12, 2016, 01:15:34 PM
It doesn't matter, I am the guy that still hunts in his red plaid jacket :chuckle:scent and wind mean the most, that and DO NOT make eye to eye contact, sounds dumb but never look them in the eye, if you do, your busted..Maybe that's why I don't always get a buck? I look em right in the eye and scream You gonna die!!!!😝😝
Post by: jackmaster on September 13, 2016, 10:45:49 AM
yeah, that or you just flat miss do to buck fever.. :chuckle: you should know never to look an animal in the eye old dog.. You should hunt you n a loin cloth and beads rob, maybe a head dress too.. Or dress up like Elmer Fudd with the big baggy bloomers and stove pipe hat with a bill.. :chuckle: I would also pay to see that get up, make Trent wear it or tell him he has to stay home :chuckle:It doesn't matter, I am the guy that still hunts in his red plaid jacket :chuckle:scent and wind mean the most, that and DO NOT make eye to eye contact, sounds dumb but never look them in the eye, if you do, your busted..Maybe that's why I don't always get a buck? I look em right in the eye and scream You gonna die!!!!😝😝
Post by: Pathfinder101 on September 14, 2016, 12:21:22 PM
It doesn't matter, I am the guy that still hunts in his red plaid jacket :chuckle:scent and wind mean the most, that and DO NOT make eye to eye contact, sounds dumb but never look them in the eye, if you do, your busted..Maybe that's why I don't always get a buck? I look em right in the eye and scream You gonna die!!!!😝😝
Funny, my stepdad taught me the same thing. Never make eye contact. He told me "You ever 'feel' someone looking at you? Deer can feel it too..."
Post by: Thumper81 on January 18, 2017, 01:35:28 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on January 18, 2017, 01:55:11 PM
Camo is just a hyped up sales gimmick that was made up in the south. I have never used, or own any. I don't believe in it. Movement and smell is what gets you and nothing else. I don't wear camo. Solid black is probably alot better than any camo out there.
Maybe not so much during bear season...... ?
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 18, 2017, 01:57:18 PM
I had an interesting experience with black this week, I had a mesh oyster bag full of crushed apples left over from cider making sitting in front of me. A doe and a fawn and a lone doe came in from different directions with their noses in the air smelling the apples, all three stiffened up immediately upon seeing the black mesh bag. The doe and fawn took off quickly and the other doe moved off as well. I'm pretty sure it was the black bag freaking them out and not me since the two had come in less than ten yards away down wind of me.On one of the farms I hunt whitetail on there are certain times of the year I dress in all black. It's amazing how when the field is home to dozens or more black angus cattle the deer don't seem to mind an oddly shaped loner cow. :chuckle: but if the cows are gone the deer run away from the black.
Post by: Special T on January 18, 2017, 02:00:34 PM
Your much bigger concern should be the detergent you are using. Lots of commercial detergents have brightening agents added to them that make you a UV beacon to deer and elk.This is my main concern. I normally hunt in solid color earth tones that make it difficult to peg me as a hunter. My go to is a fleece shirt/vest/jacket and either my wool pants or fleece sweats over shorts.
Use something with no UV brighteners in it.
Post by: MADMAX on January 18, 2017, 02:09:13 PM
Post by: Special T on January 18, 2017, 02:09:13 PM
Honestly my winter kit is a sheepskin jacket, a slouch hat and a packet of cartriges. Better off spending money on a good pair of boots than designer camo.Nothing beats a good pair of DRY boots!
Post by: follow maggie on January 18, 2017, 04:50:25 PM
Post by: steeleywhopper on January 18, 2017, 04:55:54 PM
Post by: Taco280AI on January 18, 2017, 05:23:29 PM
I just happened to buy Kuiu because I love their pants. Shirts not so much, but the pants are great.
Post by: Tinmaniac on January 18, 2017, 05:37:04 PM
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Post by: Magnum_Willys on January 18, 2017, 06:16:34 PM
Post by: follow maggie on January 18, 2017, 07:38:52 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on January 18, 2017, 07:45:19 PM
Post by: Taco280AI on January 18, 2017, 08:51:38 PM
Kuiu Verde seems to work much better than vias....
I'll disagree on that one. I was maybe 30 feet from my phone in this pic... if I didn't have the orange, would you even notice me if you didn't know I was there?
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1098.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fg364%2Fnwoutdoors%2FMobile%2520Uploads%2F20161023_084842.jpg&hash=2e61f9bfb634ca2bc24af1a7a15f33be319830ee) (http://s1098.photobucket.com/user/nwoutdoors/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20161023_084842.jpg.html)
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on January 18, 2017, 09:16:02 PM
Post by: Bofire on January 19, 2017, 10:08:45 AM
Carl
Post by: BigGoonTuna on January 20, 2017, 06:09:21 AM
For me camo isn't about concealment when im close, its meant to minimize the impact of movement or intrusion from a distance.i think that's a good way to look at it. most of the time i've found that it doesn't matter what you're wearing, when you're close, animals will either hear or smell you first.
of course, there's few things more frustrating than trying to put the sneak on a mulie from across a draw, putting up your binoculars and he's already staring at you :bash:
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on January 20, 2017, 06:27:08 AM
Post by: bracer40 on January 20, 2017, 06:45:45 AM
That encounter convinced me that camo just doesn't matter as far as the color or breakup of color goes.