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Equipment & Gear => All Other Gear => Topic started by: Billy74 on October 18, 2016, 12:37:23 PM
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Anyone have pros or cons on these for field dressing
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pros:
sharp
lightweight
replaceable blades
cons:
easy to break
can't split a pelvis
gotta be careful splitting joints, but doable
It's not totally necessary to split a pelvis, I always do because I'm old school. I like a small lightweight hatchet for that.
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It's a good knife, but i like the outdoor edge better because of the spine's added stability. The blades dont break as often.
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The blades do tend to break. But boy are they sharp. Plus being able to pop in a new blade beats sharpening.
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Like KFhunter said shape, light, replaceable but blades do break.
I don't gut animals so the pelvis isn't an issue for me and i like using the havalon for joints because it is very quick and easy to cut the tendons around the joint.
Using level 3 to 5 cut resistance gloves is a must in my opinion. It helps you keep from cutting things you don't want to! and when your done your hands are far cleaner.
Note: Recommend the aluminum body, plastic body doesn't hold up well around the flip blade joint.
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It's a good knife, but i like the outdoor edge better because of the spine's added stability. The blades dont break as often.
:yeah:
and the outdoor edge will split a young deer's pelvic bone.
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Awesome knives, lightweight, compact, and scary sharp. Deer take 1-2 blades, elk 2-3. Get used to changing the blades BEFORE your hunt. Outdoor Edge is a nice design and Gerber now makes a very similar knife to the Havalon. The gerber blades are a little easier to change in my opinion. All good choices and great for caping also.
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Everything mentioned above can be done with a Havalon. Blades are super simple to install and replace. I'd take a Havalon over the other blade changers mentioned above any day. If you're breaking blades you're using the knife the wrong way. :twocents:
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I use little pliers when changing the blades :twocents:
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I carry a benchmade saddle mountain skinner and a Havalon piranta stag in my pack.
I really enjoy The Havalon. They are super sharp, compact and precise. Having the replacement blades makes it reliable and not having to worry about a knife becoming dull. I like the stag and feel it has better contour and grip.
The blades do sometimes pop off if they get pressure on the side. Changing the blades in the field can be tough at times but they have just released a solution to that that you can carry in your pack.
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Havalon-Blade-Remover-Four-Pack/2338564.uts?searchPath=%2Fbrowse.cmd%3FcategoryId%3D734095080%26CQ_search%3Dhavalon%2Bblade%2Bchanger%26CQ_st%3Db
My havalon will always be in my pack with me and is great for skinning once an animal is hanging.
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The new Titan is pretty sweet. I've used the havalon for years, and really like this upgrade. If you've changed out the blades a few times, you can do it without pliers... very carefully........... Only knife I carry in the field.
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Everything mentioned above can be done with a Havalon. Blades are super simple to install and replace. I'd take a Havalon over the other blade changers mentioned above any day. If you're breaking blades you're using the knife the wrong way. :twocents:
:yeah:
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Everything mentioned above can be done with a Havalon. Blades are super simple to install and replace. I'd take a Havalon over the other blade changers mentioned above any day. If you're breaking blades you're using the knife the wrong way. :twocents:
Kinda what I was thinking. They're for skinning and boning. Anything more than that is not what they're intended to do.
I don't like changing blades...call me chicken. I do it with my Gerber pliers. Aside from that they're awesome knives.
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I bought Havalons and used them for the first time this week........ love them!
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I make sure to keep my Leatherman on me and if I need to change a blade I use my leatherman pliers to hold the blade. :twocents:
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I love Havalons. My fingers hate them... :chuckle:
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Buy Kevlar gloves.
I use the Piranta for boning work and the Outdoor Edge for skinning and heavier work. I also carry a saw for the rib cage and pelvis.
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Amazing knives. I now carry this one and it does it all. This saw is amazing and will cut through the pelvis and other bones with ease. :tup: Love it.
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Amazing knives. I now carry this one and it does it all. This saw is amazing and will cut through the pelvis and other bones with ease. :tup: Love it.
Have you used the fillet blade on large fish yet?
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Amazing knives. I now carry this one and it does it all. This saw is amazing and will cut through the pelvis and other bones with ease. :tup: Love it.
Have you used the fillet blade on large fish yet?
No...but I have used it for boning and it works really well. I usually have the saw blad in that slot.
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What size fish are you meaning? I've had the Barracuda for many years and filleted lots of fish. I just use a steel to touch up the blade after each use.
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One of the things I noticed this year never thinking about it before is with such a sharp knife my hands and arms don't get nearly as fatigued as with a standard knife.
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What size fish are you meaning? I've had the Barracuda for many years and filleted lots of fish. I just use a steel to touch up the blade after each use.
5-15 pound cats
30 pound kings
And slot limit sturgeon to be specific.
I know the sturgeon will use more than one tool/knife/cutting device, but just curious how the fillet aspect holds up against the bigger fish. I enjoy my bubba blade but am always in need of a new knife.
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I have the printa, barracuda and an outdoor edge. The outdoor edge gets used every time because changing the blades is safer. The OE weighs more but I would rather not nick myself up when changing blades.
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What size fish are you meaning? I've had the Barracuda for many years and filleted lots of fish. I just use a steel to touch up the blade after each use.
5-15 pound cats
30 pound kings
And slot limit sturgeon to be specific.
I know the sturgeon will use more than one tool/knife/cutting device, but just curious how the fillet aspect holds up against the bigger fish. I enjoy my bubba blade but am always in need of a new knife.
30# king would be a stretch just due to the blade length.
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What size fish are you meaning? I've had the Barracuda for many years and filleted lots of fish. I just use a steel to touch up the blade after each use.
5-15 pound cats
30 pound kings
And slot limit sturgeon to be specific.
I know the sturgeon will use more than one tool/knife/cutting device, but just curious how the fillet aspect holds up against the bigger fish. I enjoy my bubba blade but am always in need of a new knife.
Ha, that's exacrly what I use. Love those Bubba Blades. 5 lb cats would be fine with the havalon. I'd stick to the Bubba blades for the 30 lb kings and sturgeon. The havalon works well on upper Columbia sockeye though.
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What size fish are you meaning? I've had the Barracuda for many years and filleted lots of fish. I just use a steel to touch up the blade after each use.
5-15 pound cats
30 pound kings
And slot limit sturgeon to be specific.
I know the sturgeon will use more than one tool/knife/cutting device, but just curious how the fillet aspect holds up against the bigger fish. I enjoy my bubba blade but am always in need of a new knife.
Ha, that's exacrly what I use. Love those Bubba Blades. 5 lb cats would be fine with the havalon. I'd stick to the Bubba blades for the 30 lb kings and sturgeon. The havalon works well on upper Columbia sockeye though.
Roger that.
I love my bubba blade.
I believe I'm going to order their kitchen knife, larger fillet knife and one of their stubby blades.
I haven't been in their site in a while and just looked today...I shouldn't have!
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I given serious thought to buying one of the Havalon knives so this topic is good timing.
As for whether you split the pelvis or not is personal choice but I've always used one of these wire Zip Saws. They'll buzz right through a pelvis in no time and they add next to no weight to your pack. Once you use one of these you'll never use anything but. http://www.cabelas.com/product/Zip-Saw/714237.uts?searchPath=%2Fbrowse.cmd%3FCQ_pagesize%3D80%26CQ_search%3Dsaw%26CQ_st%3Db%26categoryId%3D734095080
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I have used both the havalon and the OE a bunch. Perhaps I was using the OE wrong but I had a problem with the blades gumming up and not releasing. I also prefer the havalon over the OE when it comes time to clean it in the backcountry. But the havalon IMO is a skinning/Boning knife. If your expecting to contact alot of bone, popping joints etc... Its probably not ideal. If your going to do alot of cutting, then they make life alot easier. I also used pliers for awhile, but after a few blade changes the groove broke in, and now changing them is simple.
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I would take the OE if I had to make a choice between them. I have had my havalon for years and been happy with it but I like the beefier blade on the OE. Never had a problem changing the blade on my havalon with my fingers, just gotta be careful.
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I have used both and now leave the havalon at home. The OE gets to do all the work.
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what do u guys do with the 20-30 other hunting knives sitting in the closet since u got the havalon. mike w
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What size fish are you meaning? I've had the Barracuda for many years and filleted lots of fish. I just use a steel to touch up the blade after each use.
5-15 pound cats
30 pound kings
And slot limit sturgeon to be specific.
I know the sturgeon will use more than one tool/knife/cutting device, but just curious how the fillet aspect holds up against the bigger fish. I enjoy my bubba blade but am always in need of a new knife.
Ha, that's exacrly what I use. Love those Bubba Blades. 5 lb cats would be fine with the havalon. I'd stick to the Bubba blades for the 30 lb kings and sturgeon. The havalon works well on upper Columbia sockeye though.
Roger that.
I love my bubba blade.
I believe I'm going to order their kitchen knife, larger fillet knife and one of their stubby blades.
I haven't been in their site in a while and just looked today...I shouldn't have!
In all honesty, there is no need for the Havalon if a guy has a Bubba Blade. I have a few and really like the serrated one for walleye other larger spiny rays.
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All I use is the Havalon. I have been selling them since they first came out. I dont carry anything else. I gut ,skin and bone all my animals with it. I use 1 blade to do an entire elk and then do my deer with the same blade. If you keep a small diamond steel it is super easy to touch it up IF you cut hair. Dont cut hair and it will stay sharp for the entire job. It takes about an hour to gut, skin and bone an elk with one. I find no need to EVER split a pelvic on any animal. ALL of my hunting is done in the high country, every oz. counts. I can carry 2 Pirhana knives and 12 blades and still have less weight than almost any other knife and always have a razor sharp knife. I have only barely cut myself once when I first staring using the Pirhana
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what do u guys do with the 20-30 other hunting knives sitting in the closet since u got the havalon. mike w
I have all my old knives sitting in a box. I have used the Havalon for the past 10 years I believe. Great knives and they have cleaned may animals. I always pack one or two with me on my hunts.
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It's a good knife, but i like the outdoor edge better because of the spine's added stability. The blades dont break as often.
:yeah: I have both and like the thicker blades on the Outdoor Edge, too. You can also re-sharpen them easier in the field with a couple passes with a diamond steel if you don't want to replace the blade for whatever reason. I sharpen mine on a whetstone at home and I've been using it as a utility knife for a year, still using the original blade.
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We use them quite often. I think the company itself has great customer service. I got a havalon as a gift and it was defective. I emailed them and explained. They asked that I send a picture and then they sent me a new one out within days.
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It's a good knife, but i like the outdoor edge better because of the spine's added stability. The blades dont break as often.
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The outdoor edge is a good knife. I can do a full elk with one blade easily. I did three antelope but the blade was dulling quick
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I used to break blades on my piranta, but bought the newer 60A blades that are thicker and stronger and haven't had a problem since. Usually one blade per animal for me, it does everything but split the pelvis, and there's no reason I would split the pelvis in the field anyway. I also just got some of their new blade removers. Super lightweight and easy to use, should remove any concern about changing blades in the field.
http://www.havalon.com/piranta-accessories-blade-remover-br-3p.html
Bottom line - at less than 3 oz., I can't imagine carrying a different knife these days.
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Another vote for the Havalon Titan. Been using it for 2 years now, broken down 7 deer and 1 elk with it exclusively. Once I learned the limitations of the replaceable blade, I rarely break them. Having the folding blade option is great for cutting knee joints and the head off. Could break a pelvis with it if you felt inclined to I'm sure.
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I put together a small kit that goes in my pack, fits in my back pocket, or snaps on my belt (it's a handy little pouch). It holds my license and tags, both the Piranta and Barracuta, spare blades for both, a multi tool, and a pair of exam gloves.
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Havalon Piranta is what I used this year on a bear, 2 deer and a moose. Even with breaking a blade I think I only went through a total of 4 blades.
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I use little pliers when changing the blades :twocents:
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A must if u don't wanna lose a digit
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I had borrowed a Havalon and broke the blade. I now own an Outdoor Edge and really like it. I agree bubba blades are great knives and I have one I just use for sturgeon. I'll even sharpen my OE blade a few times before I replace it.....but I'm a tight wad.
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I love the outdoor edge, but u have 2 change the blade soon after using it . don't let the blood dry cuz the blade will get stuck and it is tough 2 get it out. am looking at the barracuta as an option 4 a saw. mike w
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I have broken down 15 deer/elk with a havalon & never broken a blade. Both gutted & gutless.
Very lightweight. Wont go back to a heavier knife.
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I have given the Havalon away twice now.
I simply have found that I enjoy the tradition of taking a break, sitting on the log, and sharpening the blade with 4 or 5 stokes a side every 20 minutes or so while breaking down the elk.
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This year it seamed that the new replacement blades I ran dulled up way faster and I was changing blades far more frequently.
Seemed skinning hide off the hind quarters really dulled them quickly.
I've ran the same body for the past +- 10 years but they new blades seem cheaper.
Just saying.
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This year it seamed that the new replacement blades I ran dulled up way faster and I was changing blades far more frequently.
Seemed skinning hide off the hind quarters really dulled them quickly.
I've ran the same body for the past +- 10 years but they new blades seem cheaper.
Just saying.
I agree 100%. Never changed out so many blades this year. Couldn't believe how fast they'd dull just skinning quarters. Used 4 different kinds, but they were all new purchases. I'm going back to the free ones from the doc.
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I use the 60A blades during trapping season I can skin several bobcats with pads and claws intact on one blade . I did get some blades on amazon the were the 60 T and they are half the length and suck
I won't change using the piranta as long as they keep making the 60A blades
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CON:
I slipped changing a blade on my Piranta and damn near cut my trigger finger off, 2 days away from my ride out of a wilderness area. It was ugly, got more of my own blood on me than the deer and more or less scared the crap out of me.
Definitely will be more careful in the future.
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Pretty much have to pack a small pair of pliers for changing blades. It can get sketchy changing blades without a pair and way back in that is the last thing you want to have happen like in action shooters case. I saw last year that they were going to make a little plastic deal that would maybe come with the new knives and is designed to go around the whole blade and pop them off without so much risk. Haven't seen them since one of the trade shows so idk what happened with that.
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Pretty much have to pack a small pair of pliers for changing blades. It can get sketchy changing blades without a pair and way back in that is the last thing you want to have happen like in action shooters case. I saw last year that they were going to make a little plastic deal that would maybe come with the new knives and is designed to go around the whole blade and pop them off without so much risk. Haven't seen them since one of the trade shows so idk what happened with that.
I saw these at Cabelas last week. They had a pack of 4 of the plastic removers for $9 something.
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The plastic blade changers come free with every purchase off the Havalon website (at least they do right now, just checked). They work fine and weigh next to nothing.
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I haven't seen them yet. When I talked to the rep he made it sound like they would be in all the new packaging. So by the sounds they come with a direct order from them or buy them yourself. Would for sure be nicer then packing pliers around and I thought it was a great idea when I talked to the guy about them before they came out.
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Sharpest knife ever for skinning. Who doesn't have more than one knife. I always have another just in case or for the job of popping joints and so on.
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I've had my piranta for several years, I love it. My only injury is poking myself with the tip, I've figured out how to use my thumbnail to pop the blade loose.
This year, I noticed one of the little screws holding the belt clip on had fallen out as well as a small crack near the pivot point. My wife contacted Havalon and they said to send it in. According to my email, my new one is on the way at no cost besides shipping the old one back. I wonder if there will be new blades with the replacement..... :rolleyes: :chuckle:
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I've had my piranta for several years, I love it. My only injury is poking myself with the tip, I've figured out how to use my thumbnail to pop the blade loose.
This year, I noticed one of the little screws holding the belt clip on had fallen out as well as a small crack near the pivot point. My wife contacted Havalon and they said to send it in. According to my email, my new one is on the way at no cost besides shipping the old one back. I wonder if there will be new blades with the replacement..... :rolleyes: :chuckle:
The plastic piranta's are notorious for these cracks. If you get the chance and find one on sale, buy the aluminum version. You will not regret it. :tup:
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In my case, I was changing the blade trying to use the steel point of my hiking pole, it slipped and came down on my index finger. Not pretty, cut it to the bone. I will be looking for that little plastic do-hickey, not going to give up the havalon.
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We have changed blades for over 15 years .Never used pliers. We use the thumb nail. Slides right off. 60A blades work great. I have some of the original stainless bodies. I pop off the legs both front and back with the same knife. Never found a need for anything else. LOVE THEM.
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Thanks for the 60a stainless advice.
Just ordered 100 of them.
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I thought the Outdoor Edge would be a nice complement to the Havalon for the heavier stuff. Wow do the new blades dull fast - and not as sharp to start with. Sticking with Havalon - but I hate searching through the meat to find a lost blade - almost had to scrap an entire backstrap rather than risk a lost blade in it. May go back to havalon for skinning and conventional for meat work.
Like said above the big advantage is less tiring.
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I love my Havalons. Carpsniper specials...... :tup:
But I will only change a blade with a tool.
Is the Havalon tool available?
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Got my warranty knife the other day, that blade changing thing is huge. I'll probably just keep using my thumbnail unless I'm at home.
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just got the baracuta and cant get the blade off. mike w
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I like the Outdoor Edge better then the Havalon but honestly only use it as a back up. My buck stays on my belt and I can usually get most of the way through a elk and deer are a breeze. I found I use at least 3 blades if using just the Outdoor edge or Havalon on an elk and that just seems like a waste. It is nice to have if you end up with multiple animals down and a lot of work ahead of you. Otherwise I just use my buck and resharpen it after each use.
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Last weekend I cleaned and skinned two deer: one with an Outdoor Edge, and one with the Havalon. The Havalon appeared to definitely be sharper. The Outdoor Edge was definitely a sturdier blade. The Havalon blade popped off a couple times; the Outdoor Edge one never did. The Outdoor Edge blade is easy to change; the Havalon one takes some skill, a tool, or both to not cut oneself.
Both were much easier to complete the work with than a conventional blade. Having an extremely sharp blade makes the job so much easier. I don't know what I'll do with all my other knives now besides stare at them and admire their handiwork.
If I had to choose one, it would be close but I would opt for the Outdoor Edge.
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The Havolon blades are not meant to pry out ball joints & rake across hard bone. Maybe it takes me longer, but I can complete break down a deer on 1 blade (all the way to wrap). An elk takes maybe 2, but have done it on one before.
Let your buddy carry the stiff spined blade for when your in a hurry. :chuckle:
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Love my outdoor edge knife, I have the one that also has the flip around solid steel zipper. Very sharp, it makes you move very cautiously when your hands are inside the carcass taking the guts out of an elk.
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Love my outdoor edge knife, I have the one that also has the flip around solid steel zipper. Very sharp, it makes you move very cautiously when your hands are inside the carcass taking the guts out of an elk.
Is that a replaceable blade ? My OE replaceables were sharp for a bit but not near as sharp as the havalon. I do find for caping in a hurry the havalon is too sharp and can slice through the hide and prefer the outdoor edge except for around the head and antlers
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Love my outdoor edge knife, I have the one that also has the flip around solid steel zipper. Very sharp, it makes you move very cautiously when your hands are inside the carcass taking the guts out of an elk.
Is that a replaceable blade ? My OE replaceables were sharp for a bit but not near as sharp as the havalon. I do find for caping in a hurry the havalon is too sharp and can slice through the hide and prefer the outdoor edge except for around the head and antlers
Wife just bought me the Outdoor Edge replaceable blade knife after watching me break down her deer/elk and breaking multiple cheap blades on my Havalon(just ordered the 60A's).
I grew up spitting on a round stone and doing a good job sharpening my Buck knife.
That being said...............a man's gotta try new things once in a while.