Post by: C-Money on February 11, 2009, 02:35:01 PM
Post by: firefighter4607 on February 11, 2009, 03:08:36 PM
I can't find anything on the books about riding double on off road vehicles. It is under Chapter 46.09 RCW
Off-road and nonhighway vehicles
I couldn't find any other information
Post by: C-Money on February 11, 2009, 03:26:03 PM
Post by: 270Shooter on February 11, 2009, 05:08:48 PM
Post by: dontgetcrabs on February 11, 2009, 05:12:02 PM
Post by: 270Shooter on February 11, 2009, 05:14:43 PM
Take your atv's vin # to your local DOL and just buy the tabs.So thats all I gotta do? They don't need to look at it for a spark arrester or anything? And is that all you have to do to ride these roads? Thanks for the info. Sorry to jack the thread.
Post by: dontgetcrabs on February 11, 2009, 05:22:16 PM
also c-money i got nailed on lake chelan with my little one riding in front of me on a jetski. the sheriff told me my kid had to be behind the operator? don't know if it's the same on land, but i assume so?
Post by: bobcat on February 11, 2009, 06:24:15 PM
Post by: bobcat on February 11, 2009, 06:25:25 PM
Take your atv's vin # to your local DOL and just buy the tabs.
ATV's are supposed to have an "ORV" sticker and registration tabs but that doesn't make them street legal.
Post by: firefighter4607 on February 12, 2009, 06:14:12 AM
It depends on where these "green dot" roads are. Is this on National Forest, or is it on WDFW land? If it's on National Forest it's probably not legal to ride an ATV there at all. If you're talking about WDFW land, then it might be legal, if it isn't posted otherwise. I don't know of any law about riding double. Although every 4 wheeler I've ever seen will say right on it that it is NOT meant to carry passengers.I will educate you on Green Dot Roads in case you didn't know ;)
Green Dot Trail System for WDFW and DNR
The Green Dot system means only roads and trails with Green Dot road markers are open. You can ride on all the Green Dot roads and trails unless it is posted closed or is a trail being groomed for snowmobiles.
Green dot roads are a cooperative road management program between public land management agencies and private landowners. In the Green Dot Road Management System all roads in an area are closed unless posted open with a green dot. Roads identified as “green dot roads” on green dot maps and posted with a round green reflector on white markers are open to public motor vehicles. Green dot maps of most areas are free and available at WDFW and DNR offices. Some maps and agreements are being reformatted due to current land exchanges and are out of print right now.
Except for roads open by green dot designation, all roads and trails are closed to all wheeled motor vehicles including ATVs. Violators will be subject to prosecution pursuant to W.A.C. 232.12.187. Closing sensitive areas helps protect fish from sediment running off of roads, migratory routes of big game, wildlife habitat, and timber and road resources while allowing for safe and fun recreation opportunities. The green dot roads are meant to remain at a net amount of miles, so when one section is removed from the management agreement, another may be added of equal length. Roads designated as green dot can change as harvest or sites are identified which may need protection or rehabilitation. We appreciate help from users in maintaining and educating about our green dot system!
Information about Forest Service Roads in the Wentachee Forest you have to look at each district to find out about the one you are riding in.
Where can I ride an Off-Highway Vehicle (OHV), All Terain Vehicle (ATV), or Over-Snow Vehicle (OSV)?
OHV recreation is just one of the many uses allowed on National Forest lands. OHV travel is restricted to designated routes. Many routes are open and accessible to those who enjoy recreating on OHVs. It is your responsibility to know and abide by regulations relating to motor vehicle travel. State law requires registration of all motor vehicles before being operated on public lands. You must have either a current Green Sticker or Highway license, both issued by the State Department of Motor Vehicles. If highway licensed, the vehicle must meet all standards for operating on a public highway. Many areas are open and accessible to those who enjoy recreating on ATVs and OSVs during the winter months. Motorized over-snow travel is prohibited in some areas. Federal law (36 CFR 261.16(a)) prohibits operation of any mechanical or motorized equipment within the boundaries of a Wilderness
Post by: FALFire on February 12, 2009, 07:40:28 AM
I have ridden them for years, just stay off of the red dot marked roads and you will be fine.
As far as riding a passenger on an ATV, it's perfectly legal but it's a common sense thing. If you are just puttering around on the trails, just be sure that your passenger is wearing protective gear, helmet, boots, gloves and preferably knee and elbow protection and maybe long sleeves and jeans to cover for brush scatches. It is legal to ride passengers but use common sense and ride safe. The manufactures don't want you to do it due to the lawsuits they had to deal with when they first introduced the ATV's to the public.
ATV's are very dangerous to operate and can easily kill you and your passenger, so just play it safe. But you already know the dangers involved so have fun :IBCOOL:
Post by: bobcat on February 12, 2009, 06:07:01 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on February 12, 2009, 06:27:48 PM
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a road isn't open for ATV use just because it is a "Green Dot" road.
Correct. Some private timber land that has a Dot system won't allow ATVs.
Post by: norsepeak on February 12, 2009, 06:29:34 PM
Your info is exactly right, with one addition. It is legal to ride ATV's offroad on national forest land where ever you want as long as you don't do "resource damage". What is "resource damage" you ask? Well according to the OWF headquartes in Wenatchee, they have a "working" definetion, but it is open to interpretation by law enforcement. So as long as you are treading lightly and not tearing up the ground or vegetation, it is legal to ride anywhere you want on the national forest. That being said wether or not riding on forest service road is legal, that is up to the individual ranger district, however under federal mandate, the USFS is REQUIRED to open certain percentages of roads on each district to "multilple use", which includes atv. On the Naches ranger district the percentage amounts to around 130 miles. If you need more info or want to become involved in the educated use of atvs check out our club. Cascade quad squad.
Post by: bobcat on February 12, 2009, 06:45:58 PM
So what about "Green Dot" roads? You're not saying they are automatically legal for ATV use just because it's part of a green dot management system, right?
Also, I'm not doubting you, as you seem to be more educated on the subject than most of us are, but it sure seems odd that it would be legal to ride cross country on National Forest land, but illegal to ride on the roads.
Post by: runamuk on February 12, 2009, 07:24:16 PM
Norsepeak,
So what about "Green Dot" roads? You're not saying they are automatically legal for ATV use just because it's part of a green dot management system, right?
Also, I'm not doubting you, as you seem to be more educated on the subject than most of us are, but it sure seems odd that it would be legal to ride cross country on National Forest land, but illegal to ride on the roads.
Ahh let me clarify this. Yes green dots you can ride an ORV licensed vehicle however roads require a street legal vehicle and street legal driver..... I *censored* you not....my son almost got a ticket for riding his jr50 10 feet off the green dot trail onto the "road" in south fork meadows of Taneum.......he was all of 6 yrs old. After the warning and detailed explanation he learned to turn it off and push it the last 10 feet of trail and into the camping area....
Post by: bobcat on February 12, 2009, 07:31:35 PM
Post by: MHWASH on February 12, 2009, 08:03:29 PM
Post by: runamuk on February 12, 2009, 08:04:50 PM
That's right, from what I know anyway. Forest service roads (in Washington) are only for street legal vehicles. It doesn't matter if it has a green dot on it or not. The green dots have nothing to do with being legal for ATV's. It just means the road is open while all others without the green dot are closed.
The issue is with green dot trails green dots typically mean orv allowed but if it is a ROAD your atv and/or dirt bike better also be street legal....ie turn signals and headlamps and driver who is licensed..... and it does get darned confusing. The original poster's question however has been addressed just have a legal vehicle and legal driver and make sure the passenger is wearing a helmet and good to go.....
Post by: bobcat on February 12, 2009, 08:14:00 PM
Other states are much more lenient with ATV use on public lands. I've used my 4 wheeler in both Idaho and Oregon, on National Forest and BLM land, and you can ride on most roads that are open to other motorized vehicles.
It's ridiculous, in my opinion, that ATV's in this state can't ride on "jeep trails" or any other dirt/gravel PUBLIC road, simply because it is not a street legal vehicle. I do understand why some areas prohibit them...it's to keep the people that only are interested in using public lands as a race track to ride their toys, as fast as they possibly can.
I guess even the Forest Service must feel these laws are stupid as I don't see any enforcement of the no ATV rule during hunting season. I was deer hunting a couple years ago off of Blewett Pass and it seems everybody up there was cruising around on an ATV. Right behind the huge signs saying that ATV's are not legal there.
Post by: bobcat on February 12, 2009, 08:18:22 PM
The original poster's question however has been addressed just have a legal vehicle and legal driver and make sure the passenger is wearing a helmet and good to go.....
I haven't seen his question answered. He did say "green dot roads," not "green dot trails." If it's a green dot road on National Forest, it probably is not legal. However the question cannot be answered here as he never stated where he was wanting to ride, just that it was a green dot road. Having said that, even if it's not legal, he'll probably be ok, as they seldom enforce the no ATV's on Forest Service roads law.
Post by: runamuk on February 12, 2009, 08:23:48 PM
I think we have a communication breakdown going on :chuckle: :chuckle: green dot trails (some call them roads) are typically ORV ( ATV, dirtbike) legal UNLESS posted that they are closed. This is the entire point of the green dot system. Now the roads leading to the trails/roads with a green dot marker are often considered roads requiring street legal vehicles.
Post by: bobcat on February 12, 2009, 08:34:20 PM
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green dot trails (some call them roads) are typically ORV ( ATV, dirtbike) legal UNLESS posted that they are closed. This is the entire point of the green dot system.
This is what I don't agree with. The green dot system's purpose is to CLOSE roads to motorized vehicle use, in order to provide undisturbed areas for wildlife. Although I am sure some of the ORV trails on National Forest are green dot roads/trails, this does not mean ALL green dot roads are open for ATV use.
See quote below from Cle Elum Ranger District website:
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REMEMBER
In all area on the Ranger District you must stay on the signed/system trails that are open to your vehicles use.
ATV's are not allowed on single tread trails.
ATV's and some Motorcycles do not meet Washington state laws for being street legal and are not allowed on Forest Service roads. The Fine is $100.00
For more information about ATV's contact the Cle Elum ORV Rangers.
Post by: MHWASH on February 12, 2009, 10:08:32 PM
Post by: norsepeak on February 12, 2009, 10:32:32 PM
Post by: firefighter4607 on February 13, 2009, 03:49:30 AM
I haven't seen his question answered. He did say "green dot roads," not "green dot trails." If it's a green dot road on National Forest, it probably is not legal. However the question cannot be answered here as he never stated where he was wanting to ride, just that it was a green dot road. Having said that, even if it's not legal, he'll probably be ok, as they seldom enforce the no ATV's on Forest Service roads law.C-money original question was:
Anyone know if it legal to take my 3yo daughter trail riding on my ATV using green dot roads? We would ride double, both wearing helmits. I ride the green dots all the time, just wondering if there is a law on the books prohibiting riding double.So he got more information than he asked for. He has seen Fish & Wildlife officers and other law enforcement officers where he rides and has talked to them. He was just wondering if he could ride double with his daughter. I know where C_money rides so I looked up the inforamtion that is important to him. You have to check with each ranger district to see what their rules are on ATVs. Like Wentachee Forest says, "Many areas are open and accessible to those who enjoy recreating on ATVs and OSVs during the winter months". So you would have to check with a ranger to see where and when you can ride a ATV.
270 Shooter is the one that wanted to know about the green dot trails/roads. So now we are talking about Green dot trails/roads. As I said before and I will say again you have to talk to the Forest Service Ranger Disrict that you are going to be riding in.
Here is a link to the Forest Service Page just srcoll down to Washington to get Park information:http://www.fs.fed.us/recreation/map/state_list.shtml (http://www.fs.fed.us/recreation/map/state_list.shtml) If you have any questions about this just call the correct District and they will help you out. In the Colville National Forest they have different roads that different vehicles can travel including ATVs, look for MVUM(Motor Vehicle Use Maps) :twocents:
Post by: firefighter4607 on February 13, 2009, 04:00:37 AM
Firefighter,
If you need more info or want to become involved in the educated use of atvs check out our club. Cascade quad squad.
:chuckle: I actually have your clubs website in my favorites under four wheeler. I was looking for information on this topic in many off road club websites. I think you should talk to your webmaster and get the rest of the links to work and maybe a link to see different pictures of your rides. Kind of like the Peak Putters do. :tung:
When I buy a quad I will contact your website maybe to go with you guys on some rides, and C-money would come to if he isn't working. :chuckle:
Post by: billythekidrock on February 13, 2009, 05:59:38 AM
Now the roads leading to the trails/roads with a green dot marker are often considered roads requiring street legal vehicles.
+1
Post by: bobcat on February 13, 2009, 08:38:28 AM
It depends on where these "green dot" roads are.
Post by: bobcat on February 13, 2009, 08:51:23 AM
Any question regarding ATV use is far from simple.
Post by: runamuk on February 13, 2009, 08:53:39 AM
Yeah it is funny. It's funny how the rules regarding ATV's in this state are so confusing even law enforcement officials don't know the rules. :bash:
Any question regarding ATV use is far from simple.
Its not just ATV rules.....it is everything anymore. You need a law degree just to figure out if you can walk down a road these days :chuckle: :chuckle: its so bad that all I can do is laugh or go insane :o
Post by: C-Money on February 13, 2009, 08:58:12 PM
Post by: norsepeak on February 15, 2009, 08:45:04 AM
Post by: dontgetcrabs on February 15, 2009, 08:47:49 AM
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