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Title: frank church this fall
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on October 26, 2016, 02:21:39 PM
Four of us went into the Frank Church for an elk hunt this fall. We packed 8 horses/mules about 12 miles in.  It was tough hunting, but we managed to find two bulls and one nice buck.

The weather was a mix of rain/snow most days.  We didn't hear any elk bugling, and killed the only two bulls we saw in six days of hunting. 

Title: Re: frank church this fall
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on October 26, 2016, 02:23:39 PM
That pic of the mule down was a scary deal.  We were giving 10cc of IV bute and went right through the jugular to the carotid artery and he crumpled immediately.  We had to strip the saddle and cut his lead- then give him ~10 minutes before he got up and was ready to work.  It was a scary deal for a minute or two.  He was pretty high.
Title: Re: frank church this fall
Post by: h2ofowlr on October 26, 2016, 02:30:05 PM
Looks like a fun hunt!
Title: Re: frank church this fall
Post by: jackelope on October 26, 2016, 02:47:17 PM
That pic of the mule down was a scary deal.  We were giving 10cc of IV bute and went right through the jugular to the carotid artery and he crumpled immediately.  We had to strip the saddle and cut his lead- then give him ~10 minutes before he got up and was ready to work.  It was a scary deal for a minute or two.  He was pretty high.

I saw this on FB. Was the IV the cause of the problem or the solution? That could have been bad.
Title: Re: frank church this fall
Post by: vandeman17 on October 26, 2016, 02:51:41 PM
Nice job. My old man and I were in the frank in September. He shot a rag horn bull and I shot a solid mulie. It was a fun trip
Title: Re: frank church this fall
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on October 26, 2016, 03:02:09 PM
That pic of the mule down was a scary deal.  We were giving 10cc of IV bute and went right through the jugular to the carotid artery and he crumpled immediately.  We had to strip the saddle and cut his lead- then give him ~10 minutes before he got up and was ready to work.  It was a scary deal for a minute or two.  He was pretty high.

I saw this on FB. Was the IV the cause of the problem or the solution? That could have been bad.

The IV was the cause.  I like IM shots, because they are easy and safe.  IV is quick though.... The carotid lays under the jugular and is higher pressure.  If you get into it blood will push into the syringe. different than a jugular hit that you have to draw back to get blood.

Lesson learned... Old Virgil was higher than a kite for a few minutes and gave us a good scare, but I guess Bute rarely kills them. 
Title: Re: frank church this fall
Post by: Brushbuster on October 26, 2016, 03:34:12 PM
Congrats!! That is some extremely rugged country.  :tup:
Title: Re: frank church this fall
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on October 26, 2016, 03:37:43 PM
Looks like an awesome time!  Great buck as well! 

What happened to the mule?  Was it getting sick?
Title: Re: frank church this fall
Post by: cbond3318 on October 26, 2016, 03:40:07 PM
Man that looks awesome!
Title: Re: frank church this fall
Post by: DaveMonti on October 26, 2016, 03:43:31 PM
Yeah, why was someone giving the mule an IV?
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Post by: jennabug on October 26, 2016, 03:47:25 PM
That pic of the mule down was a scary deal.  We were giving 10cc of IV bute and went right through the jugular to the carotid artery and he crumpled immediately.  We had to strip the saddle and cut his lead- then give him ~10 minutes before he got up and was ready to work.  It was a scary deal for a minute or two.  He was pretty high.

I saw this on FB. Was the IV the cause of the problem or the solution? That could have been bad.

The IV was the cause.  I like IM shots, because they are easy and safe.  IV is quick though.... The carotid lays under the jugular and is higher pressure.  If you get into it blood will push into the syringe. different than a jugular hit that you have to draw back to get blood.

Lesson learned... Old Virgil was higher than a kite for a few minutes and gave us a good scare, but I guess Bute rarely kills them.

Wow!  The only way I've given bute is as a food additive.  That would have given me a good scare too.  Looks like a fantastic trip though.

For those that don't know, bute is like ibuprofen for horses; treats inflammation and pain; can cause internal problems with overuse.
Title: Re: frank church this fall
Post by: DaveMonti on October 26, 2016, 03:48:34 PM
Thanks for the explanation Jenna!
Title: Re: frank church this fall
Post by: X-Force on October 26, 2016, 03:50:40 PM
Very Cool. Looks like an epic week.
Title: Re: frank church this fall
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on October 26, 2016, 04:05:54 PM
Yeah, why was someone giving the mule an IV?
Not giving an IV, jut an intravenous shot.   He's an oldule and gets stored up pretty bad.   Bute is a really common drug for horses and mules
Title: Re: frank church this fall
Post by: ian_padron on October 26, 2016, 04:14:00 PM
Definite bucket list trip to hunt the Frank on stock someday. Thanks for sharing your story. Wish this Backcountry Sub-Forum got more love...but I guess that's why we end up with these places all to ourselves eh?
Title: Re: frank church this fall
Post by: bowhunterforever on October 26, 2016, 09:03:48 PM
Looks like a blast
Title: Re: frank church this fall
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on October 27, 2016, 06:45:16 AM
Definite bucket list trip to hunt the Frank on stock someday. Thanks for sharing your story. Wish this Backcountry Sub-Forum got more love...but I guess that's why we end up with these places all to ourselves eh?
LOL- no kidding.

The Frank Church is an amazing piece of backcountry.  We hunted in ~12-15 miles on a cleared trail and never saw another hunter, horse track or boot print.  We literally had hundreds of square miles to ourselves. 

Title: Re: frank church this fall
Post by: boneaddict on October 27, 2016, 07:04:29 AM
That would be a neat hunt, especially with the mules
Title: Re: frank church this fall
Post by: theleo on October 27, 2016, 07:19:54 AM
Were you guys putting the quarters on top of loaded panniers for the trip out? It's interesting to look at packed animals to see how other guys skin the same cat.

We always have bute around for "just in case" but we use syringes and keep the injection site higher on the neck closer to the shoulder to avoid those major blood vessels. Any horse owner that does back country hunts with their animals should have bute in one form or another for their animals. 
Title: Re: frank church this fall
Post by: benhuntin on October 27, 2016, 08:47:57 AM
Next time maybe you can let Brian get a shot at something. Sounded like a fun trip.


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Title: Re: frank church this fall
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on October 27, 2016, 10:10:02 AM
Next time maybe you can let Brian get a shot at something. Sounded like a fun trip.


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LOL- he got a bull in the Church in 2014, on opening day.  You should have seen the look on his face when the three of us took off to bivy camp and left him in camp to care for the stock for three days!  It looked like we took away his birthday, he was so mad. :)
Title: Re: frank church this fall
Post by: Chesapeake on October 31, 2016, 01:03:03 PM
Looks like a fun trip. Only ever used Bute paste in the big oral syringe myself. That buck looks real nice.
Title: Re: frank church this fall
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on October 31, 2016, 01:11:39 PM
Looks like a fun trip. Only ever used Bute paste in the big oral syringe myself. That buck looks real nice.
The paste is nice and easy.

The buck was a whopper.  We rarely see many deer in there, but found a few decent ones and this big one. 
Title: Re: frank church this fall
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on October 31, 2016, 01:37:33 PM
Looks like a fun trip. Only ever used Bute paste in the big oral syringe myself. That buck looks real nice.
The paste is nice and easy.

The buck was a whopper.  We rarely see many deer in there, but found a few decent ones and this big one.

Thats unfortunate to hear, I thought it might be a good place for a mulie hunt from a drop camp.  We are running into to much competition in our spot and I thought the Church would offer some much needed space between hunters.
Title: Re: frank church this fall
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on October 31, 2016, 01:40:49 PM
I suspect there are spots that are better than where we were.  The season also goes into November, but we were pretty high and getting stock in would be tough.  I think a raft based hunt through there, with some hiking up the tribs would produce awesome bucks. 
Title: Re: frank church this fall
Post by: vandeman17 on October 31, 2016, 01:58:51 PM
Looks like a fun trip. Only ever used Bute paste in the big oral syringe myself. That buck looks real nice.
The paste is nice and easy.

The buck was a whopper.  We rarely see many deer in there, but found a few decent ones and this big one.

Thats unfortunate to hear, I thought it might be a good place for a mulie hunt from a drop camp.  We are running into to much competition in our spot and I thought the Church would offer some much needed space between hunters.

I shot a nice mulie buck in the church in September. He was with 4 other good sized bucks as well. There are pockets that hold good deer numbers
Title: Re: frank church this fall
Post by: Mr Mykiss on November 02, 2016, 06:38:27 AM
That would.be a very *censored* rafting trip, especially in November.
Title: Re: frank church this fall
Post by: Twang on November 03, 2016, 03:03:25 PM
Raft in November is very risky. I have pictures of it froze in November on a couple trips   Elk areas, deer areas and some sizable areas that mix. It is all there.  I might have taken some of that mule medicine a few times if I had it for myself
Title: Re: frank church this fall
Post by: deerhuntr4885 on November 21, 2016, 07:36:00 PM
I would like to see more pics of the Bucks.
Title: Re: frank church this fall
Post by: vandeman17 on November 22, 2016, 06:58:23 AM
I would like to see more pics of the Bucks.

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