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Title: Blacktail Bucks that come out just after dark
Post by: anchoraly on October 28, 2016, 10:31:39 AM: Does anyone have any tips on tracking down a buck that comes out right at or after dark? He comes out of a thick dark treeline at the bottom of a cut, and I am hoping to catch him slip soon..
Title: Re: Blacktail Bucks that come out just after dark
Post by: OutHouse on October 28, 2016, 11:00:28 AM: Great question. You want to be near his bedding area before it gets light that way when he returns to his bed, you are already there waiting for him. His bed could be 100 yards or a mile into that timber. I would scout out that timber and find likely bedding areas. Then, be in that timber ready and waiting well before it gets light. This might mean you are sitting in the dark for an hour, but at first light he might be heading right toward you. My experience with nocturnal deer is that they still get up once in a while when they are in their safe space. You gotta hunt their safe space because they will never be feeding or traveling during day light hours. If you have a tree stand that's the best way to make sure the buck doesn't notice anything amiss in and around his safe space. But, do not hunt right on his bed. Be at least 40 yards away. Also, the buck is nocturnal for a reason. He has been hunted before and refuses to go out in daylight. I would also use a de-scenting product because those bucks are very apprehensive and your smell could ruin you despite doing everything else right.
Title: Re: Blacktail Bucks that come out just after dark
Post by: DaveMonti on October 28, 2016, 11:00:50 AM: At this time of the season, the rut is getting started in most places (blacktails). I'd hunt the general area where you've seen the buck, but expect to see the buck moving around more in the next few days, especially if it's raining. There are plenty of reports of rut activity starting, and when the rut starts, the deer are out of their general feeding/bedding patterns and are either moving and looking for does, or with the does.

If you know of a spot where the does tend hang out, I'd sit on it and wait for the bucks to show themselves. If you don't know where the does are, either find them or sit on the spot where the buck has been seen lately. If you find does, you will see bucks in the next few days.
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Post by: JimmyHoffa on October 28, 2016, 11:06:09 AM: have you tried rattling and grunting?
Title: Re: Blacktail Bucks that come out just after dark
Post by: anchoraly on October 28, 2016, 11:15:34 AM: Quote from: JimmyHoffa on October 28, 2016, 11:06:09 AM
have you tried rattling and grunting?

I have not.. I was getting ready to entertain the thought however. I know it could go either way with a mature buck.. I have never actually tried those methods with blacktail. Im nervous to give it an amateur try on a buck I have been hunting and finally have him pinned down..
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Post by: Mudman on October 28, 2016, 11:21:16 AM: Decoy if you have it and lots of doe in heat scent. Might entice him a little earlier? Careful with his safe bedding area, If you blow him out he will likely be gone for good. Rattle maybe if that doesn't work. Also the area he is entering from in the dark stuff. Might set ambush before he gets there. That would be my first step along with doe scent.
Title: Re: Blacktail Bucks that come out just after dark
Post by: anchoraly on October 28, 2016, 11:23:21 AM: Quote from: Mudman on October 28, 2016, 11:21:16 AM
Decoy if you have it and lots of doe in heat scent. Might entice him a little earlier? Careful with his safe bedding area, If you blow him out he will likely be gone for good. Rattle maybe if that doesn't work. Also the area he is entering from in the dark stuff. Might set ambush before he gets there. That would be my first step along with doe scent.

I have been setting ambush up on the hill looking down onto his trail, he comes up like 5 min after shooting light sometimes 30 min. He may be getting wise to my sit and wait tactics, possibly pushing him to be more nocturnal.
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Post by: shadowless_nite on October 28, 2016, 11:28:12 AM: If you have a trail camera and the area is low pressure, I'd set it up to back track his movement until you get closer to daytime phots of him moving. Granted you are going against the clock now, but if he's consistent in every day you may be able to back track him fast enough before the season ends or patterns change.
Title: Re: Blacktail Bucks that come out just after dark
Post by: Mudman on October 28, 2016, 11:34:21 AM: Yup he smart. Back off and try heat scent?? He should be getting fired up and will get stupid. The mature guys are tough.
Title: Re: Blacktail Bucks that come out just after dark
Post by: anchoraly on October 28, 2016, 11:43:26 AM: Quote from: Mudman on October 28, 2016, 11:34:21 AM
Yup he smart. Back off and try heat scent?? He should be getting fired up and will get stupid. The mature guys are tough.

Oh he is smart. I have been chasing him for a couple weeks. He moves a lot at night. Have you had much luck with blacktail estrus? I have only heard bad things about scent baiting bucks out here. I figure tomorrow I am off work though, Perhaps I can lay some scent and bring out some antlers to rattle and sit for the entire day.
Title: Re: Blacktail Bucks that come out just after dark
Post by: Squidward on October 28, 2016, 11:43:50 AM: Have you tried to be there watching the timber line at daylight to see if you can catch him in the clear cut before he slips back in the the timber? Good Luck!
Title: Re: Blacktail Bucks that come out just after dark
Post by: DaveMonti on October 28, 2016, 11:49:07 AM: If you are going to actively pursue him (instead of trying to ambush him naturally) I'd be pretty careful. Very subtle with rattling and a few doe bleats, then sit and wait for a half hour. I don't think I would use scent. Blacktail bucks are different than whitetails.
Title: Re: Blacktail Bucks that come out just after dark
Post by: Mudman on October 28, 2016, 11:52:19 AM: No I have not had luck with rattle or scent. I don't use it on deer anymore but it does sometimes work. Elk, yes. With rut kicking in it seems you should try to play to his weakness. Mature bucks can be so tough. Most get killed in rut. Option 2 is go down below after him but its more risky and a heck of a packout probably. I know the buck across the street is all about the scent. He follows his nose like my dog does!
Title: Re: Blacktail Bucks that come out just after dark
Post by: anchoraly on October 28, 2016, 11:59:09 AM: Quote from: Squidward on October 28, 2016, 11:43:50 AM
Have you tried to be there watching the timber line at daylight to see if you can catch him in the clear cut before he slips back in the the timber? Good Luck!

Yes, I am lucky enough to get an hour of daylight before im off to work each night and I get home 2 hours before dark. I think he comes down mid day, per the sign he has left. then back up at dusk.
Title: Re: Blacktail Bucks that come out just after dark
Post by: Brushcrawler on October 28, 2016, 12:14:21 PM: I watched a 4x5 for several weeks that never moved except at night. The day after I shot a small buck in the same spot he was on camera at 10am. Be patient!
Title: Re: Blacktail Bucks that come out just after dark
Post by: Squidward on October 28, 2016, 12:58:56 PM: Quote from: anchoraly on October 28, 2016, 11:59:09 AM
Quote from: Squidward on October 28, 2016, 11:43:50 AM
Have you tried to be there watching the timber line at daylight to see if you can catch him in the clear cut before he slips back in the the timber? Good Luck!

Yes, I am lucky enough to get an hour of daylight before im off to work each night and I get home 2 hours before dark. I think he comes down mid day, per the sign he has left. then back up at dusk.
Mid day? thought he is nocturnal, go kill him at noon. hell that was easy.. Good Luck that old buck.
Title: Re: Blacktail Bucks that come out just after dark
Post by: anchoraly on October 28, 2016, 01:16:00 PM: Quote from: Squidward on October 28, 2016, 12:58:56 PM
Quote from: anchoraly on October 28, 2016, 11:59:09 AM
Quote from: Squidward on October 28, 2016, 11:43:50 AM
Have you tried to be there watching the timber line at daylight to see if you can catch him in the clear cut before he slips back in the the timber? Good Luck!

Yes, I am lucky enough to get an hour of daylight before im off to work each night and I get home 2 hours before dark. I think he comes down mid day, per the sign he has left. then back up at dusk.
Mid day? thought he is nocturnal, go kill him at noon. hell that was easy.. Good Luck that old buck.

LOL He is nocturnal! I work during the day in the week, so I have to rely on sign. He was spotted once last week up there mid day, but it also could have been another buck too. I am really hoping he runs his days on split shifts tho... It would give me the best chance this weekend.
Title: Re: Blacktail Bucks that come out just after dark
Post by: Squidward on October 28, 2016, 01:36:45 PM: Will be watching for pic's, Good Luck!
Title: Re: Blacktail Bucks that come out just after dark
Post by: JDHasty on October 28, 2016, 01:50:12 PM: Big bucks didn't get big by being bold. I have seen them hanging back just inside cover watching does and young bold bucks go out to take a bullet. Are they smarter or more cowardly or both?

Now here's something to chew on, older does will not let their fawns charge in as often as young does. Older doe, fawns are following and younger does fawns come bounding in to grab an apple.

So I'm thinking older does produce more bucks that get big because they learn a stealthy approach from day one.
Title: Re: Blacktail Bucks that come out just after dark
Post by: mtn.goat on October 28, 2016, 08:09:40 PM: Quote from: Squidward on October 28, 2016, 01:36:45 PM
Will be watching for pic's, Good Luck!

:yeah:

Lots of great advice thus far, even if it doesn't all jive together.

Honestly, it's extremely difficult to not "go in" after him, myself included. Try to constantly remind yourself he has EVERY advantage...other than long range glass or looking ability! It's even harder to watch from distance as the season is coming to end. That said, if you have the ability (and patience!) to sit and long range watch (preferably within your rifle and capability range) your odds are hugely better IMHO. I'm talking about all day sitting even in your rig if need be, waiting for his one mistake of the day or week. An hour before daylight even thinks of breakin' until well after shooting light and slip away as quiet as possible. It is truly unbelievable how many big bucks are killed in the late morning (9-10am etc.) when the literally, get up to stretch their legs etc. and Boom, dead. They'll sleep all damn day other than that one 5-15 min. stretch.

As for scent as mentioned, a little or tiny amount goes a long way imo, same for rattling, rattle semi quietly and silence for half an hour, or longer, repeat at different volumes and durations.

You've got an upper hand, knowing where he's living and him not knowing you're presence (assuming this), keep it up and he will have at least one lapse in judgment and you'll have him.
I would not go in after him unless you can be 100% certain of ONE constant wind direction and only then, glacial creep mode!

Good luck and good hunting.
Title: Re: Blacktail Bucks that come out just after dark
Post by: anchoraly on November 01, 2016, 11:07:20 AM: Got it done on the last day! Put in a quick first light hunt yesterday morning right before work... Needless to say I called in!! Nice clean kill, my biggest buck BY FAR!!!!!! He is certainly going on the wall. Quite the trophy to me, this season has been one for the books. Thanks for all the tips guys!!

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Title: Re: Blacktail Bucks that come out just after dark
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on November 01, 2016, 11:15:25 AM: Good job!
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Post by: singleshot12 on November 01, 2016, 11:16:04 AM: Nice! Was he the one you were targeting?
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Post by: highside74 on November 01, 2016, 11:17:47 AM: Can't see the pictures :dunno:
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Post by: sagerat on November 01, 2016, 11:24:31 AM: :yeah: me neither
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Post by: Skyvalhunter on November 01, 2016, 11:32:21 AM: Yea
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Post by: Squidward on November 01, 2016, 11:34:39 AM: Congrats on the buck, but, come on man your killing us here. where are the pics?
Title: Re: Blacktail Bucks that come out just after dark
Post by: anchoraly on November 01, 2016, 11:48:08 AM: Updated the photo links, should work now!
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Post by: singleshot12 on November 01, 2016, 11:52:37 AM: Super! Sure like to hear the whole story on how you killed that bad boy
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Post by: Tapp Daddy on November 01, 2016, 12:01:04 PM: Gorgeous buck! And hell of a job being patient :tup:. Well worth the wait
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Post by: Hilltop123 on November 01, 2016, 12:46:53 PM: Very nice, congratulations.
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Post by: REHJWA on November 01, 2016, 01:02:36 PM: Way to stay with it!
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Post by: fishnfur on November 01, 2016, 01:57:48 PM: Awesome! Glad to see you got it done.
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Post by: Squidward on November 01, 2016, 02:21:23 PM: Congrats, very nice buck!
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Post by: DaveMonti on November 01, 2016, 02:32:41 PM: Great to hear a story of it all working out!
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Post by: Mudman on November 01, 2016, 04:36:49 PM: Happy for you! Very nice deer. Waiting for the story. Curious how you did it!
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Post by: wt on November 01, 2016, 04:47:51 PM: That is awesome! You made it happen! Good looking buck! :tup:
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Post by: Boss .300 winmag on November 01, 2016, 05:29:30 PM: Great blackie :tup: what about a storey? Gotta love those 2x4 bucks. My biggest blackie is a 2x4 aswell. :chuckle:
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Post by: AKBowman on November 01, 2016, 11:07:27 PM: Way to stick with it! Great buck
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Post by: csaaphill on November 01, 2016, 11:26:23 PM: got r done grats :tup:
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Post by: SeaRun1 on November 02, 2016, 12:55:51 AM: Nice job! They are always going to come out right at dawn/dusk this time of year. Good job sticking to it. You earned him.

SR1
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Post by: redi on November 02, 2016, 01:01:02 AM: Congrats on a great buck. Way to get it done.
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Post by: fish vacuum on November 02, 2016, 02:24:17 AM: That one's a big daddy.