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Post by: carpsniperg2 on November 06, 2016, 06:40:48 PM
If you see a cow along side the road are you going to blast it? COME ON PEOPLE!!! If it's not yours leave it alone!!!
THEIFT of livestock which a chicken is livestock, is a class c felony.
http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9A.56.083
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Post by: note2self on November 06, 2016, 07:56:57 PM
No difference in the laws eyes what so ever. It's a livestock animal. You kill a chicken or a cow that is not yours its the same thing, you are breaking the law taking something that is not yours, theft.
But is it still yours if it's roaming free in the middle of the forest.....on public land? It was pretty far from any house or farm
There were no "free range" signs around. I'm 99% it either escaped or was let go by someone. Does an animal sort of become legal to harvest after it's let out to fend for itself or escaped and not found?
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Post by: TONTO on November 06, 2016, 08:02:38 PM
No difference in the laws eyes what so ever. It's a livestock animal. You kill a chicken or a cow that is not yours its the same thing, you are breaking the law taking something that is not yours, theft.
But is it still yours if it's roaming free in the middle of the forest.....on public land? It was pretty far from any house or farm
There were no "free range" signs around. I'm 99% it either escaped or was let go by someone. Does an animal sort of become legal to harvest after it's let out to fend for itself or escaped and not found?
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Yes, but if it makes you feel better, check the chicken for a brand first.
Post by: Airnip on November 06, 2016, 08:04:42 PM
If a chicken had water. Scratching up a living without store bought chow would be a possibility.
Really easy to catch a sleeping chicken if it can be climbed to. Expect raccoon chicken dinner over coyote.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on November 06, 2016, 08:09:21 PM
No difference in the laws eyes what so ever. It's a livestock animal. You kill a chicken or a cow that is not yours its the same thing, you are breaking the law taking something that is not yours, theft.
But is it still yours if it's roaming free in the middle of the forest.....on public land? It was pretty far from any house or farm
There were no "free range" signs around. I'm 99% it either escaped or was let go by someone. Does an animal sort of become legal to harvest after it's let out to fend for itself or escaped and not found?
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Of course its still mine!!! So your telling me if I live a few miles away from where you think is middle of know where and you see my free ranging chickens out feeding and moving around that gives you a right to kill them? HELL NO IT DOESNT
HOW do you know they escaped or set free? You don't.
Here is a example I have a ranch that has no houses within 5 miles on the main road either way. We have a lease on public ground that gives us the right to run live stock on it. If I have a cabin over there no one knows it, but I have chickens over there. They cross over into the public land and you think it's a good idea to kill my livestock because its on public ground and there is not a house around?
Post by: Ridgeratt on November 06, 2016, 08:10:12 PM
No difference in the laws eyes what so ever. It's a livestock animal. You kill a chicken or a cow that is not yours its the same thing, you are breaking the law taking something that is not yours, theft.
But is it still yours if it's roaming free in the middle of the forest.....on public land? It was pretty far from any house or farm
There were no "free range" signs around. I'm 99% it either escaped or was let go by someone. Does an animal sort of become legal to harvest after it's let out to fend for itself or escaped and not found?
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You could apply the 20 foot from the barn rule!!!
Farther than 20 foot from the barn it's wild!! Had a buddy one time his wife was asking what's was for dinner and he applied this rule to a cheeken that was wandering around in the yard.
Post by: note2self on November 06, 2016, 09:23:08 PM
No difference in the laws eyes what so ever. It's a livestock animal. You kill a chicken or a cow that is not yours its the same thing, you are breaking the law taking something that is not yours, theft.
But is it still yours if it's roaming free in the middle of the forest.....on public land? It was pretty far from any house or farm
There were no "free range" signs around. I'm 99% it either escaped or was let go by someone. Does an animal sort of become legal to harvest after it's let out to fend for itself or escaped and not found?
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Of course its still mine!!! So your telling me if I live a few miles away from where you think is middle of know where and you see my free ranging chickens out feeding and moving around that gives you a right to kill them? HELL NO IT DOESNT
HOW do you know they escaped or set free? You don't.
Here is a example I have a ranch that has no houses within 5 miles on the main road either way. We have a lease on public ground that gives us the right to run live stock on it. If I have a cabin over there no one knows it, but I have chickens over there. They cross over into the public land and you think it's a good idea to kill my livestock because its on public ground and there is not a house around?
Fair points.
Maybe this is where the legality and rules regarding free range livestock comes into play
I don't know 100% that they are escaped or set free, true. But I didn't see any free range signs and the area is a very popular area for people to shoot their guns at. Shells, casings, targets.......everywhere. I find it hard to believe that someone would want to let their chicken roam in that environment but hey I could be wrong
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on November 06, 2016, 09:44:45 PM
No difference in the laws eyes what so ever. It's a livestock animal. You kill a chicken or a cow that is not yours its the same thing, you are breaking the law taking something that is not yours, theft.
But is it still yours if it's roaming free in the middle of the forest.....on public land? It was pretty far from any house or farm
There were no "free range" signs around. I'm 99% it either escaped or was let go by someone. Does an animal sort of become legal to harvest after it's let out to fend for itself or escaped and not found?
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Of course its still mine!!! So your telling me if I live a few miles away from where you think is middle of know where and you see my free ranging chickens out feeding and moving around that gives you a right to kill them? HELL NO IT DOESNT
HOW do you know they escaped or set free? You don't.
Here is a example I have a ranch that has no houses within 5 miles on the main road either way. We have a lease on public ground that gives us the right to run live stock on it. If I have a cabin over there no one knows it, but I have chickens over there. They cross over into the public land and you think it's a good idea to kill my livestock because its on public ground and there is not a house around?
Fair points.
Maybe this is where the legality and rules regarding free range livestock comes into play
I don't know 100% that they are escaped or set free, true. But I didn't see any free range signs and the area is a very popular area for people to shoot their guns at. Shells, casings, targets.......everywhere. I find it hard to believe that someone would want to let their chicken roam in that environment but hey I could be wrong
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There is vast amounts of open range land that is not marked as such in this state. Also a lot that if it is there is only a couple signs for 1000's of acres. Livestock kinda go where they please lol. They also escape on a regular basis and can travel a good ways. I have seen our free range chickens at our old house almost 1.5 miles from our house.
Just remember one key point. Is the chicken yours? if not and you take possession of it under the laws that is theft of livestock dead or alive and a class c felony. Is someone pet worth that? If ya need a tuff old chicken that bad I can send you 5.00 and you can go get a nice tasty one at the store.
Post by: note2self on November 06, 2016, 10:21:33 PM
No difference in the laws eyes what so ever. It's a livestock animal. You kill a chicken or a cow that is not yours its the same thing, you are breaking the law taking something that is not yours, theft.
But is it still yours if it's roaming free in the middle of the forest.....on public land? It was pretty far from any house or farm
There were no "free range" signs around. I'm 99% it either escaped or was let go by someone. Does an animal sort of become legal to harvest after it's let out to fend for itself or escaped and not found?
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Of course its still mine!!! So your telling me if I live a few miles away from where you think is middle of know where and you see my free ranging chickens out feeding and moving around that gives you a right to kill them? HELL NO IT DOESNT
HOW do you know they escaped or set free? You don't.
Here is a example I have a ranch that has no houses within 5 miles on the main road either way. We have a lease on public ground that gives us the right to run live stock on it. If I have a cabin over there no one knows it, but I have chickens over there. They cross over into the public land and you think it's a good idea to kill my livestock because its on public ground and there is not a house around?
Fair points.
Maybe this is where the legality and rules regarding free range livestock comes into play
I don't know 100% that they are escaped or set free, true. But I didn't see any free range signs and the area is a very popular area for people to shoot their guns at. Shells, casings, targets.......everywhere. I find it hard to believe that someone would want to let their chicken roam in that environment but hey I could be wrong
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There is vast amounts of open range land that is not marked as such in this state. Also a lot that if it is there is only a couple signs for 1000's of acres. Livestock kinda go where they please lol. They also escape on a regular basis and can travel a good ways. I have seen our free range chickens at our old house almost 1.5 miles from our house.
Just remember one key point. Is the chicken yours? if not and you take possession of it under the laws that is theft of livestock dead or alive and a class c felony. Is someone pet worth that? If ya need a tuff old chicken that bad I can send you 5.00 and you can go get a nice tasty one at the store.
I'm just curious as to what the rules and regulations surrounding this issue are. Nothing more nothing less. Some in here say shoot it and some say it's a felony. I'm just looking for clarity. I'm not really interested in running around hunting livestock. However, if I strike out while grouse hunting and see a random chicken, I will shoot it if it's legal. Or bring it home and raise it myself lol
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on November 06, 2016, 10:27:25 PM
If you blast a chicken that is not yours then you are stealing something that does not belong to you. Pretty simple.
Post by: Lucky1 on November 06, 2016, 10:30:54 PM
Not a definitive answer but I had fun sharing my opinion. :)
Post by: Dan-o on November 06, 2016, 10:56:24 PM
Well I posted the exact law for you. Others are saying what they would do. What people tell you based on there thoughts is not the law.
If you blast a chicken that is not yours then you are stealing something that does not belong to you. Pretty simple.
Carp,
What if it is truly feral?
Wouldn't that be treated like a feral pig?
(Of course, I have no idea how you tell the difference between a feral chicken and one that wandered from the yard)
I also doubt there is such a thing as a feral chicken in the mountains of Washington, so I think I just answered my own question .....
Post by: carpsniperg2 on November 06, 2016, 11:06:11 PM
lucky1, a chicken "livestock" is not even close to wildlife. So it can not be classified as unclassified wildlife lol.
As far as pigs go I have no idea how to determine what would happen in court. If my pigs got out and make it a mile down the road to some public ground and someone shot them thinking they were feral I can promise you they would be getting charged and paying on the animal. It has happened around here so I know the outcome.
With truly feral pigs. The state I believe classifies them as noxious? "not sure if that's the right word think it is" animals that can do harm to the state. I don't think a chicken will get that branding of classification. I am no lawyer but I can tell you the law on killing someones live stock is pretty cut and dry.
Post by: ForestDump on November 07, 2016, 01:14:18 AM
Now if I see my neighbors chicken float over the fencing I'm not going to blast the thing but a ranging bird with no obvious markings is going to make a free meal for something. I'll never understand the "free range" = "my animals go wherever they please" thing.
Post by: boneaddict on November 07, 2016, 05:38:25 AM
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Post by: runamuk on November 07, 2016, 06:27:04 AM
Read up on free range and what it covers. Stop going to rural places thinking people don't actually live there. You might be amazed where people live and raise chickens.
Post by: boneaddict on November 07, 2016, 06:43:26 AM
Post by: Woodchuck on November 07, 2016, 06:54:14 AM
Post by: Dead-Eye on November 07, 2016, 07:04:38 AM
No difference in the laws eyes what so ever. It's a livestock animal. You kill a chicken or a cow that is not yours its the same thing, you are breaking the law taking something that is not yours, theft.
I doubt there's a single felony chicken-poaching conviction on the books in any court in the state, or the land, for that matter. Snuffy Smith used to get nailed pretty regularly for his chicken-stealing shenanigans in the comics, though.
About 12 or 13 years ago in Maine, there was a hunter who brought a Game Warden something he had just shot that he kept calling a "Black Wolf Trophy," and he was just SO proud of it. It turned out to be one of the first wolves seen in Maine in a long, long time. The Warden threw the book at him. Killing a wolf in Maine carries up to a $100,000.00 fine and a year in jail.
Just saying that if you're not actively hunting something, you probably shouldn't shoot it. Although there have been more than a few raucous BlueJays I seriously considered silencing over the years. . . . :chuckle:
Post by: boneaddict on November 07, 2016, 07:14:48 AM
Post by: bobcat on November 07, 2016, 07:57:59 AM
Now on the subject of pigs, if I see one out in the woods I'm shooting it. Sorry but we don't need feral pigs becoming established anywhere. I believe the WDFW encourages people to shoot them. If you're a pig farmer, it's your responsibility to be sure your pigs don't get loose. I doubt there's anywhere in the state where it's okay to have "free ranging" pigs.
Post by: ForestDump on November 07, 2016, 07:59:14 AM
Never thought I'd see a chicken shooting thread here. Wow.
Haha I mean what's a pheasant
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Post by: Stein on November 07, 2016, 08:15:04 AM
Man must be the election or something all kinds of craziness going on.
If you see a cow along side the road are you going to blast it? COME ON PEOPLE!!! If it's not yours leave it alone!!!
THEIFT of livestock which a chicken is livestock, is a class c felony.
http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9A.56.083
Chickens aren't livestock.
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(1) Every person who, with intent to sell or exchange and to deprive or defraud the lawful owner thereof, willfully takes, leads, or transports away, conceals, withholds, slaughters, or otherwise appropriates any horse, mule, cow, heifer, bull, steer, swine, goat, or sheep is guilty of theft of livestock in the first degree.
Post by: b0bbyg on November 07, 2016, 09:11:51 AM
Also had a neighbor get permission to shoot a young cow (bull) that was hanging around on their property. There are lots of farms around but
they were unable to figure out who owned it and nobody was showing up to claim it.
Post by: Special T on November 07, 2016, 09:22:43 AM
How about an ostrich? Saw one years ago running down a logging road where the nearest house had to have been at least 10 miles away.That would be a hell of a sight! Can we say BIG Thanks giving day feast!
Post by: hollymaster on November 07, 2016, 09:32:01 AM
Bet it was a rooster some urbanite couldn't keep due to crowing. There's an awful lot of people around here that'll dump unwanted animals/birds in the woods and along the local rivers. They pretend they're doing the animal a favor by setting it free.:yeah:
Post by: Bofire on November 07, 2016, 09:53:12 AM
Carl
per RCW 16.57.010 Chickens are not livestock.
Post by: brushhunter on November 07, 2016, 09:54:48 AM
Post by: JDHasty on November 07, 2016, 10:05:35 AM
Bet it was a rooster some urbanite couldn't keep due to crowing. There's an awful lot of people around here that'll dump unwanted animals/birds in the woods and along the local rivers. They pretend they're doing the animal a favor by setting it free.
Get a load of what the damnable fools in my neighborhood are advocating on the Nextdoor website:
~One more thing, if you don't have dogs who eat cats, you can get ferill cats from the humane society. You just have to make them a little 'cat house' -and feed them for a few weeks to keep them from running away. They are great rodent killers!
They got a little testy when I responded with this question: Let me ask you this: Do you also advocate for dumping used motor oil down the storm drain in order to control mosquitoes?
What kind of a mentality must you have to advocate for turning out feral cats into a neighborhood allowing them to kill what is left of the native song bird population?
Post by: h20hunter on November 07, 2016, 10:19:04 AM
Post by: Alchase on November 07, 2016, 11:03:10 AM
Keep in mind, shooting a chicken that has just crossed the road will likely result on a citation. You may not shoot across a maintained road, you must ALSO cross, then not shoot in a neglegent manner. That is all, carry on.
At least ask it why it crossed the road first
Post by: floatinghat on November 07, 2016, 12:12:45 PM
This thread wasted 5 minutes of my life.
Post by: LDennis24 on November 07, 2016, 12:25:32 PM
Some laws to look into for those thinking of shooting random animals in potentially free range areas.look into fencing laws and hogtight fences and what it means:yeah:
Read up on free range and what it covers. Stop going to rural places thinking people don't actually live there. You might be amazed where people live and raise chickens.
You can survive your whole life with just a dozen chickens and fresh water. People in the deep South do it all the time and if it belongs to some crazy hermit you might not make it home with your prize chicken you shot for no reason. :dunno: Some guy sleeping in a camo bus might be nearby and you'll have to explain yourself. :chuckle:
Post by: carpsniperg2 on November 07, 2016, 12:33:57 PM
Man must be the election or something all kinds of craziness going on.
If you see a cow along side the road are you going to blast it? COME ON PEOPLE!!! If it's not yours leave it alone!!!
THEIFT of livestock which a chicken is livestock, is a class c felony.
http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9A.56.083
Chickens aren't livestock.Quote(1) Every person who, with intent to sell or exchange and to deprive or defraud the lawful owner thereof, willfully takes, leads, or transports away, conceals, withholds, slaughters, or otherwise appropriates any horse, mule, cow, heifer, bull, steer, swine, goat, or sheep is guilty of theft of livestock in the first degree.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=16.57.010
(9) "Livestock" includes, but is not limited to, horses, mules, cattle, sheep, swine, and goats.
:chuckle: I am so done with this :chuckle:
Post by: DaveMonti on November 07, 2016, 01:22:58 PM
:o
Post by: WSU on November 07, 2016, 02:09:55 PM
Post by: b0bbyg on November 07, 2016, 02:48:35 PM
I contemplated shooting a feral steer one time. After 2 days of hunting the damn thing I was pretty sure I was going to shoot it when I found it. Took me until day 3 to get it chased back into my pasture.
:chuckle: That is funny .
We had a pig we were raising once that did get shot. My wife was tired of calling me to get him back in, so she called the butcher who dropped him in the field outside his pen. mmmmmmm bacon.
Post by: WSU on November 07, 2016, 02:55:23 PM
Post by: Curly on November 07, 2016, 03:00:20 PM
Post by: Stein on November 07, 2016, 03:05:13 PM
Man must be the election or something all kinds of craziness going on.
If you see a cow along side the road are you going to blast it? COME ON PEOPLE!!! If it's not yours leave it alone!!!
THEIFT of livestock which a chicken is livestock, is a class c felony.
http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9A.56.083
Chickens aren't livestock.Quote(1) Every person who, with intent to sell or exchange and to deprive or defraud the lawful owner thereof, willfully takes, leads, or transports away, conceals, withholds, slaughters, or otherwise appropriates any horse, mule, cow, heifer, bull, steer, swine, goat, or sheep is guilty of theft of livestock in the first degree.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=16.57.010
(9) "Livestock" includes, but is not limited to, horses, mules, cattle, sheep, swine, and goats.
:chuckle: I am so done with this :chuckle:
You missed this part, at the beginning of where you pulled the definition:
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RCW 16.57.010
Definitions.
The definitions in this section apply throughout this chapter unless the context clearly requires otherwise.
You can't pull a definition from one chapter and apply it to a totally different chapter. :dunno:
Theft of livestock is chapter 9, you are quoting chapter 16. Chapter 9 clearly calls out what is considered livestock and chickens ain't in the list. It could be a felony, so they aren't going to leave it up to "but not limited to" and have someone get a felony for ripping off a hamster.
Post by: Woodchuck on November 07, 2016, 03:08:43 PM
Post by: Curly on November 07, 2016, 03:10:00 PM
Post by: DaveMonti on November 07, 2016, 03:37:49 PM
Isn't that what the spirit of hunting has always been about?
Shoot whatever living non-human creature presents itself, just because you can!
I'm with Bone on this one.
Post by: Curly on November 07, 2016, 03:41:47 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on November 07, 2016, 03:44:34 PM
Feral hamsters are a thing? Wow, cool. Carry on.
Yes they can be! I caught one once at my uncles house which they had been living in for years, it was chewing holes in the garage Sheetrock walls. :yike:
Post by: bear hunter on November 07, 2016, 04:12:24 PM
Post by: NRA4LIFE on November 07, 2016, 04:14:38 PM
Post by: TONTO on November 07, 2016, 04:39:00 PM
Post by: note2self on November 07, 2016, 05:00:33 PM
Man must be the election or something all kinds of craziness going on.
If you see a cow along side the road are you going to blast it? COME ON PEOPLE!!! If it's not yours leave it alone!!!
THEIFT of livestock which a chicken is livestock, is a class c felony.
http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9A.56.083
Chickens aren't livestock.Quote(1) Every person who, with intent to sell or exchange and to deprive or defraud the lawful owner thereof, willfully takes, leads, or transports away, conceals, withholds, slaughters, or otherwise appropriates any horse, mule, cow, heifer, bull, steer, swine, goat, or sheep is guilty of theft of livestock in the first degree.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=16.57.010
(9) "Livestock" includes, but is not limited to, horses, mules, cattle, sheep, swine, and goats.
:chuckle: I am so done with this :chuckle:
You missed this part, at the beginning of where you pulled the definition:QuoteRCW 16.57.010
Definitions.
The definitions in this section apply throughout this chapter unless the context clearly requires otherwise.
You can't pull a definition from one chapter and apply it to a totally different chapter. :dunno:
Theft of livestock is chapter 9, you are quoting chapter 16. Chapter 9 clearly calls out what is considered livestock and chickens ain't in the list. It could be a felony, so they aren't going to leave it up to "but not limited to" and have someone get a felony for ripping off a hamster.
Interesting......I was kind of thinking the same thing. I found it hard to believe that shooting a random chicken in the middle of no where (and yes there are no homes even close to nearby) would result in a felony and it was as straightforward as that. This clears up some of the legality confusion I had thanks
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Post by: jackelope on November 07, 2016, 05:01:46 PM
Bet it was a rooster some urbanite couldn't keep due to crowing. There's an awful lot of people around here that'll dump unwanted animals/birds in the woods and along the local rivers. They pretend they're doing the animal a favor by setting it free.
Get a load of what the damnable fools in my neighborhood are advocating on the Nextdoor website:
~One more thing, if you don't have dogs who eat cats, you can get ferill cats from the humane society. You just have to make them a little 'cat house' -and feed them for a few weeks to keep them from running away. They are great rodent killers!
They got a little testy when I responded with this question: Let me ask you this: Do you also advocate for dumping used motor oil down the storm drain in order to control mosquitoes?
What kind of a mentality must you have to advocate for turning out feral cats into a neighborhood allowing them to kill what is left of the native song bird population?
Ever heard the term "mouser?"
My inlaws have several mouser cats living in their barn. A critical shortage of mice and a great population of mountain bluebirds.
:dunno:
Post by: jackelope on November 07, 2016, 05:04:04 PM
Feral hamsters are a thing? Wow, cool. Carry on.
Awestruck. I had no idea.
Post by: note2self on November 07, 2016, 05:04:45 PM
My wife, who had been enlisted to help catch said steer, was the #1 advocate for shooting it. At one point she was yelling at me to "just shoot the f*(#)*$*# thing!"
Funny how that works. My gf was the one who kept giving me *censored* because I didn't shoot the chicken. Go figure
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Post by: ghosthunter on November 07, 2016, 06:23:01 PM
:peep: :peep: :peep: :lol4: :stirthepot:
Post by: JDHasty on November 07, 2016, 07:30:24 PM
Bet it was a rooster some urbanite couldn't keep due to crowing. There's an awful lot of people around here that'll dump unwanted animals/birds in the woods and along the local rivers. They pretend they're doing the animal a favor by setting it free.
Get a load of what the damnable fools in my neighborhood are advocating on the Nextdoor website:
~One more thing, if you don't have dogs who eat cats, you can get ferill cats from the humane society. You just have to make them a little 'cat house' -and feed them for a few weeks to keep them from running away. They are great rodent killers!
They got a little testy when I responded with this question: Let me ask you this: Do you also advocate for dumping used motor oil down the storm drain in order to control mosquitoes?
What kind of a mentality must you have to advocate for turning out feral cats into a neighborhood allowing them to kill what is left of the native song bird population?
Ever heard the term "mouser?"
My inlaws have several mouser cats living in their barn. A critical shortage of mice and a great population of mountain bluebirds.
:dunno:
Releasing feral cats into an urban environment is something entirely different than having a barn cat that lives in and around a barn, hay shed or granaries.
Post by: jackelope on November 07, 2016, 07:51:03 PM