Post by: White Pass Outfitters on November 14, 2016, 08:13:29 AM
First thing; It was a hour ride up hill by horseback not 2 tenths of a mile.
Second thing; It is $1000 per man for my supplied camps which consists of wall tent, wood stove, propane heater,cook stove,1 30 & 1 20 lbs propane tanks, 8 small propane bottles,two lanterns, two tables,chairs with backs and arm rests,cots with pads,all dutch oven cooking supply's, all cookware and utensils,coffee pot,two water jugs,two wash basins,cleaning supply's ,saw,ax,shovel.
Third thing; I never put a camp where I haven't gotten a bull or haven't seen bulls within a few days of hunters arrival.
Fourth thing;I moved the camp from original drainage do to two diy camps moved into the same drainage.
Fifth thing; after talking with the group leader,he told me his sons where getting discouraged with elk hunting do to never getting one. So I had been seeing these two smaller bulls hanging out with some cows for a couple weeks not far from there camp. I thought it was going to be a slam dunk for at least two out of the three hunters.
Six thing;As far as communications go, the group leader called me a number of times asking the same questions over and over again, even after I told him all the information is on my website. And during there hunt he also called or texted me every day. I talked to him more than my wife that week.
Seventh thing; I do take full responsibility for there hunt not going well do to the ski resorts testing of the chair lifts, I should have checked with them to see when they were going to do there testing.That and only that is the reason I am giving them another hunt. And as far as the temp. wrangler telling them to hunt either side he said that was for deer not elk.( He is no longer working for wpo)
I spend weeks locating bulls for our hunters and setting up deluxe camps to give them a good hunt. I do want to say Thanks to all the people with the positive comments. Good luck to all of you on your next hunting adventure. WPO
Post by: 2MANY on November 14, 2016, 08:48:13 AM
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on November 14, 2016, 10:54:13 AM
Post by: PlateauNDN on November 14, 2016, 12:04:13 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on November 14, 2016, 12:19:12 PM
Post by: 92xj on November 14, 2016, 12:24:10 PM
:yeah: an hour horseback ride to just go behind the ski lifts? :dunno:
No kidding, that would suck.
And right behind the chairlifts into a drainage is an East side unit for spike only...
Post by: floatinghat on November 14, 2016, 12:39:23 PM
Understand you had to say something. My thinking, this has no winners on either side but you have more to risk. I believe you stepped up to the plate and now have shared your side of the story. There are always perceptions and a realities. The challenge is each of our preceptions is our individual reality right or wrong.
Post by: puyallupaul on November 14, 2016, 12:40:34 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on November 14, 2016, 12:47:26 PM
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,202701.0.html
Post by: h20hunter on November 14, 2016, 12:48:09 PM
Post by: White Pass Outfitters on November 14, 2016, 12:52:23 PM
Post by: Special T on November 14, 2016, 12:53:14 PM
To me it appears that many things went wrong some of which were within WPO control and some were not.
The Miller party said they were satisfied with the remedy, and I look forward to hearing how next year goes. I for one will keep track of this because when a business owner makes things right it should be noted.
Post by: White Pass Outfitters on November 14, 2016, 01:17:36 PM
Post by: PlateauNDN on November 14, 2016, 02:11:33 PM
Post by: Chesapeake on November 14, 2016, 04:02:55 PM
And now your "looking forward to taking the Millers into hunting camp"? Now!!!
Post by: h20hunter on November 14, 2016, 04:25:38 PM
Post by: Duckslayer89 on November 14, 2016, 04:38:11 PM
Post by: Taco280AI on November 14, 2016, 05:02:21 PM
Post by: jackelope on November 14, 2016, 05:05:54 PM
An hour on horseback is a long ride. Looks like a nice camp. Always gotta stick up for yourself you didn't say anything wrong IMO.
Sounds like it's about 3 miles.
Post by: Naches Sportsman on November 14, 2016, 05:12:00 PM
Wonder if I can just take the ski lift up and get to camp :chuckle:
The pass could make money if they wanted to have a summer/fall program. They only want to cater to skiing and snowboarding is how I understand it.
Post by: huntnfmly on November 14, 2016, 05:25:16 PM
Do you offer spike only hunts? hunts
Post by: dscubame on November 14, 2016, 06:49:38 PM
Post by: theleo on November 14, 2016, 07:33:30 PM
But not all miles are created equal. Are we talking 3 miles of green circle trail or 3 miles of black diamond trail?An hour on horseback is a long ride. Looks like a nice camp. Always gotta stick up for yourself you didn't say anything wrong IMO.
Sounds like it's about 3 miles.
An hour on horseback is not much of a ride, and on dude horses I'd be surprised if you'd make 3.5 mph down a dirt road.
Post by: Special T on November 14, 2016, 07:46:48 PM
Post by: Jpmiller on November 15, 2016, 06:43:58 AM
An hour in on horse is fine if you know that's what's you're getting beforehand.
Post by: trophyhunt on November 15, 2016, 06:54:24 AM
Crystal makes good money doing this, but they don't allow bows and rifles on the lift anymore.Wonder if I can just take the ski lift up and get to camp :chuckle:
The pass could make money if they wanted to have a summer/fall program. They only want to cater to skiing and snowboarding is how I understand it.
Post by: scoutdog346 on November 15, 2016, 10:43:06 AM
Post by: theleo on November 15, 2016, 10:49:45 AM
Will they let you put the meat on the chair for the haul down the mountain?Crystal makes good money doing this, but they don't allow bows and rifles on the lift anymore.Wonder if I can just take the ski lift up and get to camp :chuckle:
The pass could make money if they wanted to have a summer/fall program. They only want to cater to skiing and snowboarding is how I understand it.
Post by: elkrack on November 15, 2016, 11:07:19 AM
Will they let you put the meat on the chair for the haul down the mountain?Crystal makes good money doing this, but they don't allow bows and rifles on the lift anymore.Wonder if I can just take the ski lift up and get to camp :chuckle:
:chuckle:
The pass could make money if they wanted to have a summer/fall program. They only want to cater to skiing and snowboarding is how I understand it.
:chuckle:
Post by: JDHasty on November 15, 2016, 12:36:14 PM
Crystal makes good money doing this, but they don't allow bows and rifles on the lift anymore.Wonder if I can just take the ski lift up and get to camp :chuckle:
The pass could make money if they wanted to have a summer/fall program. They only want to cater to skiing and snowboarding is how I understand it.
If they let you put your wall tent and stoves etc and a wheelbarrow on the lift and haul them in to "elk camp," you could buy all new eqt, go up and set up a couple weeks ahead, pack in a couple days before the season with just your rifle and than after the hunt sell a ready to go elk camp, all set up in elk country and ready to go, to another party and make out pretty darn good. Maybe even turn a profit on it. If you get an elk down all you need to do is get it to the top of the lift and they deliver it to your vehicle from there.
Post by: Bob33 on November 15, 2016, 12:42:26 PM
Post by: rosscrazyelk on November 15, 2016, 03:48:07 PM
Post by: huntnfmly on November 15, 2016, 04:32:43 PM
Post by: Special T on November 16, 2016, 08:31:41 AM
WPO I really would like to know what you were thinking posting this? Bad business move I thinkWhen your attacked don't you feel the need to try and defend yourself?
In this case less is more. Anymore discussion by him will just get picked apart.
Post by: White Pass Outfitters on November 16, 2016, 08:52:36 AM
Post by: 92xj on November 16, 2016, 08:55:58 AM
. And as far as bad business by giving my side of the story, I just dont see it that way . I am already booked for the 2017 season, but thanks for your concern. I find this whole thing a bit funny , due to if the Millers would have got those two smaller bulls none of this would have even been a concern were the camp was. Thanks to all the positive people out there and good luck on all your hunting adventures !!!
I deleted my post to not give out too much detail of your camp location if you want to edit your post to do the same, out of respect for your business and others that might hunt the area. I was just trying to get a better picture of the scenario.
Post by: b23 on November 16, 2016, 10:36:32 AM
The area is called hog back basin and its beyond the ski area, we dont like to put our camps right were your going to be hunting at. And as far as bad business by giving my side of the story, I just dont see it that way . I am already booked for the 2017 season, but thanks for your concern. I find this whole thing a bit funny , due to if the Millers would have got those two smaller bulls none of this would have even been a concern were the camp was. Thanks to all the positive people out there and good luck on all your hunting adventures !!!
I've got absolutely no skin in the game here but from an outsiders perspective with no knowledge of either party involved, comments like
"And as far as bad business by giving my side of the story, I just dont see it that way . I am already booked for the 2017 season, but thanks for your concern. I find this whole thing a bit funny , due to if the Millers would have got those two smaller bulls none of this would have even been a concern were the camp was."
do nothing but fan the flames, in my opinion. I learned long ago, especially in business, no matter what you say, you're not going to change some peoples way of thinking. Reach the ones that matter and let the other small percentage take their pot shots from the cheap seats. If certain people have a problem with you, let it be their problem, don't make their problem, your problem. I'm all for defending your position and I think you did that with your first explanation, any comments beyond that only fan the flames for those that no matter what you say or do, will never be enough.
Just my :twocents:
Post by: White Pass Outfitters on November 16, 2016, 10:44:18 AM
to any and all of you that I have offend on this site. But on this subject, Turn out the lights the party is over ! Happy Holidays
Post by: bobcat on November 16, 2016, 11:25:20 AM
Post by: 2MANY on November 16, 2016, 12:10:09 PM
People have very high expectations.
Post by: Taco280AI on November 16, 2016, 06:46:25 PM
...First thing; It was a hour ride up hill by horseback not 2 tenths of a mile...
Six thing;As far as communications go, the group leader called me a number of times asking the same questions over and over again, even after I told him all the information is on my website. And during there hunt he also called or texted me every day. I talked to him more than my wife that week...
Here's a picture of there camp a week later...
My only concerns about the experience, if I were looking for a pack in experience:
Was stated it was an hour by horseback and not 2/10 of a mile, yet he said his hunting party was left up there without being packed out. They had to walk out with their gear, a distance that took horses an hour to do (while leaving your camp behind). And that's backed up by the photo of the camp in the snow. Why weren't they packed out and had to hike out on their own? How often does that happen?
You also said you talked to them more than your wife, yet his original post said you wouldn't return their calls or texts while they were out hunting. Direct contradiction between what he said and what you said. Someone isn't telling the truth.
Not taking sides, just seeing some concerning issues.
And unlike the original WPO representative who posted on the original thread, yours is a MUCH better attitude and not directly attacking and arguing potential customers :tup:
Post by: Cougartail on November 16, 2016, 07:26:52 PM
If I ever get a branched antler permit I'm calling him..
Post by: White Pass Outfitters on November 17, 2016, 08:03:52 AM
Post by: huntnfmly on November 17, 2016, 05:40:26 PM
They decided to hike out early.
I never understood how they could get pissed about hiking out when wpo wasn't even scheduled to pack them out till sat.
Post by: SCRUBS on November 17, 2016, 06:01:00 PM
I appreciate you coming on here and communicating with us, your potential future customers. I'm more likely to book a hunt with you now than if you had remained silent. The fact that you're not afraid of posting on a public forum means a lot to me, and also that you are giving your clients another hunt to make up for the one that did not meet their expectations.
:yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah:
Post by: Special T on November 17, 2016, 07:43:04 PM
There out day was on sat. they chose to hike out, one on thursday and the other two on friday. The season closed on friday. And no this does not happen often. I have to get the camps out after the clients due to the heartbeat rule. Dont even get me started on the twelve heartbeat rule.It takes 4 trips per camp not counting if they get an elk down or bringing in more supplies. Thanks for all positive input on this matter.What's the 12 heart beat rule?
Post by: dreadi on November 17, 2016, 08:20:44 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on November 17, 2016, 08:35:10 PM
the different wildernesses have a rule of how many people or how many stock animals can be in a party. The ones I'm familiar with are 12 people max and 8 animals max, but it can vary slightly by ranger district.There out day was on sat. they chose to hike out, one on thursday and the other two on friday. The season closed on friday. And no this does not happen often. I have to get the camps out after the clients due to the heartbeat rule. Dont even get me started on the twelve heartbeat rule.It takes 4 trips per camp not counting if they get an elk down or bringing in more supplies. Thanks for all positive input on this matter.What's the 12 heart beat rule?
Post by: White Pass Outfitters on November 18, 2016, 07:41:50 AM
Post by: 2MANY on November 18, 2016, 10:50:16 AM
Especially when all it does is make the same dude travel the trail twice as much.
Every extra trip the outfitter just beats the trail more.
Trail maintenance and enforcement is a whole other thingy.
They would be far better off the allow the outfitter to roll in there once with however many mules they need...........
...........But the forest managers driving Subaru's ain't that smart.
As a matter of fact they are probably still out protesting the election.
Post by: theleo on November 18, 2016, 11:25:53 AM
The heart beat rule is a joke.Make a guy travel the trail more than once and he's likely to clean the trail out because the maintenance crew only gets to every 5 or 6 years...
Especially when all it does is make the same dude travel the trail twice as much.
Every extra trip the outfitter just beats the trail more.
Trail maintenance and enforcement is a whole other thingy.
They would be far better off the allow the outfitter to roll in there once with however many mules they need...........
...........But the forest managers driving Subaru's ain't that smart.
As a matter of fact they are probably still out protesting the election.
Post by: ian_padron on November 21, 2016, 01:10:07 PM
The heart beat rule is a joke.LMAO
Especially when all it does is make the same dude travel the trail twice as much.
Every extra trip the outfitter just beats the trail more.
Trail maintenance and enforcement is a whole other thingy.
They would be far better off the allow the outfitter to roll in there once with however many mules they need...........
...........But the forest managers driving Subaru's ain't that smart.
As a matter of fact they are probably still out protesting the election.
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