Post by: CP on November 15, 2016, 09:18:43 AM
Post by: grundy53 on November 15, 2016, 09:25:13 AM
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Post by: b23 on November 15, 2016, 09:35:11 AM
If you're still undecided as to which one you want I've always been partial to TBAC (Thunder Beast Arms Corp.) suppressors. There's quite a few that are very good but IMO TBAC is one of the very best AND they have a "Group Buy" deal going on for another ten days that will get you a 10% discount on any TBAC suppressor you purchase. Here's a link to that information and you can probably locate a dealer from there site as well. https://thunderbeastarms.com/
If you're looking for a pistol suppressor you'll have to look elsewhere for one of those as TBAC on does rifle suppressors unless it's a rimfire suppressor you're wanting to get and their new rimfire can is top notch and will work rifle or pistol 22's.
I will add, if it's possible to strike a deal with someone local I highly recommend going that route first. Purchasing a suppressor out of state is no big deal but it'll add 2-3 months, because of the transfer form 3, on top of the 8 month wait time for the form 4 AND you'll still have to find a local class III dealer to do the transfer for you and they typically charge $75-$100 just for that.
Post by: jay.sharkbait on November 15, 2016, 09:36:30 AM
Post by: mountainman on November 15, 2016, 09:48:50 AM
Post by: CP on November 15, 2016, 09:51:47 AM
Just add it to the cart @ silencershop.com, pick a dealer, pay for it, then what?
Post by: Mossy on November 15, 2016, 09:54:56 AM
Post by: b23 on November 15, 2016, 10:07:03 AM
Since this is your first suppressor purchase and there is the new BS with the finger print cards and passport photos, I'd highly recommend using a local dealer for the first one. It's a relatively long wait and if any little thing is missed or incorrect on your paperwork, ATF will send it back and it'll only extend the already painful wait time.
Post by: b23 on November 15, 2016, 10:08:46 AM
My dealer has a silencer shop "kiosk" in his store. Does your fingerprints, scans passports, silencer order, etc. Call silencer shop and they will help you through the process. Great communication
Mossy, what Class III dealer in Spokane do you use??
Thanks
Post by: trophyhunt on November 15, 2016, 10:31:30 AM
Post by: h2ofowlr on November 15, 2016, 10:39:47 AM
Post by: CP on November 15, 2016, 10:43:26 AM
Regulations may get lifted in 2017 or that is the push I am seeing. We can only hope they become an over the counter purchase.
Maybe I should wait and make my own
http://www.guns.com/2016/11/14/homemade-suppressors-possible-with-hearing-protection-act/
Post by: Mossy on November 15, 2016, 11:51:27 AM
My dealer has a silencer shop "kiosk" in his store. Does your fingerprints, scans passports, silencer order, etc. Call silencer shop and they will help you through the process. Great communication
Mossy, what Class III dealer in Spokane do you use??
Thanks
Matt at Tier 1
Post by: aaronoto on November 15, 2016, 08:33:19 PM
Post by: CastleRocker on November 15, 2016, 08:56:02 PM
Regulations may get lifted in 2017 or that is the push I am seeing. We can only hope they become an over the counter purchase.
Maybe I should wait and make my own
http://www.guns.com/2016/11/14/homemade-suppressors-possible-with-hearing-protection-act/
You can build one right now. Instead of filling out the Form 4, you fill out Form 1. Still the same $200 tax stamp fee though.
Silencer Shop, use the direct progran like aaronoto said. Put it on a trust so when you go to the happy hunting grounds, the atf doesn't come and take it from your survivors without any type of reparation.
Post by: NW-GSP on November 15, 2016, 10:02:12 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on November 15, 2016, 10:12:54 PM
I have a 22 centerfire and 30 centerfire both same brand if you slap the 30 on it does not do nearly as good of job as the 22. Which is to be expected with a smaller bullet going down a larger bore opening in the 30.
Post by: NW-GSP on November 16, 2016, 01:21:49 AM
Yes plenty however the sound suppression with not be as great running a 30 cal can on a 223/556.
I have a 22 centerfire and 30 centerfire both same brand if you slap the 30 on it does not do nearly as good of job as the 22. Which is to be expected with a smaller bullet going down a larger bore opening in the 30.
Makes sense, wonder of someone makes one that you can change the size of the cap on the end?
Post by: JJB11B on November 16, 2016, 01:25:17 AM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on November 16, 2016, 06:32:30 PM
Yes plenty however the sound suppression with not be as great running a 30 cal can on a 223/556.
I have a 22 centerfire and 30 centerfire both same brand if you slap the 30 on it does not do nearly as good of job as the 22. Which is to be expected with a smaller bullet going down a larger bore opening in the 30.
Makes sense, wonder of someone makes one that you can change the size of the cap on the end?
The baffles on the inside as well as the exit hole would all have to change size to be more effective. So not sure it anyone has ever designed one like that. Not that i have seen but i sure havent seen it all.
Post by: jennabug on November 16, 2016, 06:35:19 PM
http://www.silencershop.com/:yeah:
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Post by: b23 on November 16, 2016, 07:24:50 PM
Yes plenty however the sound suppression with not be as great running a 30 cal can on a 223/556.
I have a 22 centerfire and 30 centerfire both same brand if you slap the 30 on it does not do nearly as good of job as the 22. Which is to be expected with a smaller bullet going down a larger bore opening in the 30.
Makes sense, wonder of someone makes one that you can change the size of the cap on the end?
Zak with TBAC was asked this awhile back on a different forum and here's what he had to say about it.
"We've looked into it, and even built a prototype. It's not worth it. Here's why:
To support threads on the endcap, the end of the tube would have to be larger, or we'd have to use thicker tube, IE, bulk it up.
It would also add considerable weight vs. the current Ultra design
The suppression difference would be extremely slight. Consider that a dedicated 6.5 Ultra 9 is only about 3 dB quieter than a .30 cal Ultra 9 when shot on a .260, and to get that difference, the 6.5 Ultra 9 has a complete baffle stack cut to 6.5 mm. Changing only the endcap is going to only give you a fraction of that difference, so we're looking at "maybe" 1 dB difference-- maybe. That's less than the standard deviation you get when metering as string of shots.
We don't really do gimmicks. Compromising one of the core benefits of the Ultra series (extreme light weight and suppression in a given size) just so an endcap with a smaller hole can be used, when the difference in suppression in the non-typical application is basically nil, would be a gimmick. If what you want is the best suppression with the least weight added, even if we only made a .30 cal Ultra 9, you would literally have better performance over those two factors using the .30 Ultra 9 on a .260 (or .223, etc) than if we made a switch-endcap version of the same."
I have a few TBAC suppressors and a couple SAS suppressors, both are extremely high quality, have minimal POI shift and all my guns shoot just as good with them screwed on the end as they do bare. Whenever I've had a question about a TBAC can I have always been connected straight through to Zak or Ray. SAS makes a very good can as well but every time I call or email I have to leave multiple messages or send multiple emails to get a response. With the exception of a Dead Air Ghost pistol suppressor I'm still waiting on, TBAC is all I buy now.
Post by: Yondering on November 18, 2016, 01:44:30 PM
Yes plenty however the sound suppression with not be as great running a 30 cal can on a 223/556.
I have a 22 centerfire and 30 centerfire both same brand if you slap the 30 on it does not do nearly as good of job as the 22. Which is to be expected with a smaller bullet going down a larger bore opening in the 30.
Makes sense, wonder of someone makes one that you can change the size of the cap on the end?
The baffles on the inside as well as the exit hole would all have to change size to be more effective. So not sure it anyone has ever designed one like that. Not that i have seen but i sure havent seen it all.
Not necessarily. Silencerco makes several models that have this capability, the Omega is a very popular choice.
Also, a lot of people report that 30 cal suppressors are just as quiet on 223, or even more so than a dedicated can, because the 30 cal cans are often larger with more internal volume.
A lot of it just depends on your suppressor, and how efficient it is.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on November 18, 2016, 01:53:10 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on November 18, 2016, 02:10:44 PM
OP: If your needs permit, you may want to consider waiting a while. Some rumors floating about that suppressors might make their way off the NFA during the Trump Administration, which could save you the $200 cost of the tax stamp.
Post by: Yondering on November 18, 2016, 03:32:07 PM
I have seen a lot of videos with sound measuring equipment. I have never seen a larger diameter can beat a suppressor made for the host weapon. I can tell you with the 20 plus can's I have shot personally I have always noticed the bigger can being louder. Just my experience.
You can claim your experience, but you didn't know that one of the most popular suppressor manufacturers out there (Silencerco) makes smaller caliber end caps. They aren't the only ones either; if you've paid attention to the suppressor industry the last few years it would be pretty hard to miss that. You might not know or have seen everything out there, just sayin'.
Post by: b23 on November 18, 2016, 03:51:34 PM
I have seen a lot of videos with sound measuring equipment. I have never seen a larger diameter can beat a suppressor made for the host weapon. I can tell you with the 20 plus can's I have shot personally I have always noticed the bigger can being louder. Just my experience.
You can claim your experience, but you didn't know that one of the most popular suppressor manufacturers out there (Silencerco) makes smaller caliber end caps. They aren't the only ones either; if you've paid attention to the suppressor industry the last few years it would be pretty hard to miss that. You might not know or have seen everything out there, just sayin'.
I've read where people "thought" a larger volume can, made for a bigger caliber, sounded quieter to the ear, but I've never read where a mil spec test was done that backed up those claims and of the tests I've read the caliber specific suppressor was always a little quieter.
Our ears often play tricks on us and we hear certain tones louder than others. Sometimes they'll even do these test on multiple cans and everyone will swear a particular can was the quietest but the meter will say it wasn't. I've shot with a few different suppressors and I can tell you first hand, even when they are the same caliber, they don't all have the same tone to the ear.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on November 18, 2016, 04:19:53 PM
You should slow down and read yondering. What I said is "The baffles on the inside as well as the exit hole would all have to change size to be more effective. So not sure if anyone has ever designed one like that"
Never did I say I haven't seen a suppressor that can have different end caps. I said I have never seen one that does both that would make it more effective.
However I do have more experience with suppressors then the avg joe out there. If you think it is just a quiet or better then great. However all the facts from the actual real world testing I have seen. Has proven otherwise.
Post by: Yondering on November 19, 2016, 05:09:23 PM
:yeah: yep.
You should slow down and read yondering. What I said is "The baffles on the inside as well as the exit hole would all have to change size to be more effective. So not sure if anyone has ever designed one like that"
So, you're saying the 5.56 end caps on the Omega, Saker, etc don't make them quieter than the 30 cal end caps? The test data says otherwise.
Your post is either really bad communication, or just plain bad info. That's not very helpful to the OP, who specifically asked about suppressors with interchangeable end caps, which are available and effective, and becoming fairly common.
If you're going to pretend to be an expert, you better expect to get called on bad information. It's very telling whether you can admit you were wrong, or just take another side step to argue about it.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on November 19, 2016, 05:13:12 PM
My advise was to another person in the thread not the OP and was spot on. What I said is a 30 cal can is not as effective as a 22 cal can on a 22 cal rifle. That is a fact.
Quit twisting stuff and learn how to read what was said.
Post by: NW-GSP on November 19, 2016, 10:25:08 PM
You are so all over the place. You don't even know what the OP means. The OP of this thread asked about the process of buying a suppressor LOL. Not about end caps.
My advise was to another person in the thread not the OP and was spot on. What I said is a 30 cal can is not as effective as a 22 cal can on a 22 cal rifle. That is a fact.
Quit twisting stuff and learn how to read what was said.
What you said made perfect sense to me.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on November 19, 2016, 10:33:39 PM
Post by: NW-GSP on November 20, 2016, 10:44:02 AM
I've got a Sig Sauer 7.62 TI QD on order, 5.56 up to 300 mag. $515 plus tax stamp.I will have to look that one up.
Post by: Scvette on November 20, 2016, 11:14:52 AM
I've got a Sig Sauer 7.62 TI QD on order, 5.56 up to 300 mag. $515 plus tax stamp.
Where did you find it at that price?
Post by: CAMPMEAT on November 20, 2016, 01:22:38 PM
I've got a Sig Sauer 7.62 TI QD on order, 5.56 up to 300 mag. $515 plus tax stamp.
Where did you find it at that price?
I know the owners of the Long Range Reality TV show on the Sportsmans Channel. The Sig sponsor sold it to me for 1/2 price...
Post by: 2labs on November 20, 2016, 01:55:41 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on November 20, 2016, 02:41:55 PM
Anything over 1200 fps. Is going to be loud? Yes, no? Sound barrier, science kinda thing :dunno:The suppressor brings the rifle down to a hearing safe level. And als reduces recoil a good amount. Like a hearing safe muzzle brake.
Post by: Yondering on November 21, 2016, 11:17:14 AM
You are so all over the place. You don't even know what the OP means. The OP of this thread asked about the process of buying a suppressor LOL. Not about end caps.
My advise was to another person in the thread not the OP and was spot on. What I said is a 30 cal can is not as effective as a 22 cal can on a 22 cal rifle. That is a fact.
Quit twisting stuff and learn how to read what was said.
Really? You responded directly to this question:
Makes sense, wonder of someone makes one that you can change the size of the cap on the end?
So now you're saying you knew about suppressors that do this, but answered some other question instead? BS, that's not twisting anything; I think you're a little too full of yourself to admit you didn't know something. But, if NW-GSP wants to believe you anyway, I guess there's no point in me continuing.
My bad it wasn't the OP, but that doesn't change the point.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on November 21, 2016, 11:27:40 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on November 21, 2016, 02:03:30 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on November 21, 2016, 02:52:05 PM
What is the, " end cap " of a suppressor ?
Some suppressors have threaded bodies and removable threaded caps.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on November 21, 2016, 03:23:39 PM
What is the, " end cap " of a suppressor ?
Some suppressors have threaded bodies and removable threaded caps.
So you can change calibers I guess ? Why not buy a 7.62 suppressor that fits up to a 30 caliber ?
Post by: Sumpnneedskillin on November 21, 2016, 03:49:54 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on November 21, 2016, 04:46:43 PM
A 5.56 barrel has 1/2-28 threads and a 7.62 barrel has 5/8-24 threads. If you have silencer that works on multiple calibers and want to direct thread you have to switch.
On my Sig, you can have 1/2-28 and 5/8 threads made for the quick detach system for the Sig Suppressor. One Can for multiple rifles, one price, except the cost of the QD part.
Post by: b23 on November 21, 2016, 04:53:06 PM
For me, if I wanted a suppressor that covered a range of calibers I'd purchase a top quality .30 cal can and use that on everything .30 cal and smaller. Rimfires are the exception, rimfire specific suppressors are quieter on rimfires than centerfire suppressors are on rimfires.
As for thread pitch, if you are having the barrel threaded you can have them cut whatever thread you want to match your suppressor. In the case of a pre thread barrel, if it doesn't match your suppressor, they make thread adapters that will allow you to screw your 5/8-24 thread suppressor on a 1/2-28 barrel. My SAS Barricade is 5/8-24 but I use it on my .223's because I have an adapter that reduces it down.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on November 21, 2016, 04:58:19 PM
A smaller end cap but larger bore baffle yields minimal change compared to a suppressor with the correct size baffle and exit hole.
For me, if I wanted a suppressor that covered a range of calibers I'd purchase a top quality .30 cal can and use that on everything .30 cal and smaller. Rimfires are the exception, rimfire specific suppressors are quieter on rimfires than centerfire suppressors are on rimfires.
As for thread pitch, if you are having the barrel threaded you can have them cut whatever thread you want to match your suppressor. In the case of a pre thread barrel, if it doesn't match your suppressor, they make thread adapters that will allow you to screw your 5/8-24 thread suppressor on a 1/2-28 barrel. My SAS Barricade is 5/8-24 but I use it on my .223's because I have an adapter that reduces it down.
Exactly. Like my Sig..
Post by: b23 on November 21, 2016, 05:38:35 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on November 21, 2016, 08:45:38 PM
Post by: actionshooter on November 21, 2016, 09:59:22 PM
Post by: shootem on November 21, 2016, 10:18:15 PM
Post by: actionshooter on November 21, 2016, 10:29:26 PM
Do you mind saying where you got it. I would like to get one myself.Direct from Thunderbeast, this suppressor is just at $1100 but I won a 50% off certificate at a match.