Post by: BackStrappin on November 19, 2016, 04:36:59 PM
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Post by: Jason on November 19, 2016, 04:40:16 PM
Post by: cbond3318 on November 19, 2016, 04:41:26 PM
Post by: Stein on November 19, 2016, 04:47:07 PM
Post by: BackStrappin on November 19, 2016, 04:49:07 PM
I would report it, even if it is roadkill it is not legal to leave that behind.
I did do a report , hopefully I'll get a response
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on November 19, 2016, 08:06:54 PM
Post by: GrampasGuns on November 19, 2016, 08:23:51 PM
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Post by: JakeLand on November 19, 2016, 08:25:03 PM
Post by: andr3wxmma on November 19, 2016, 08:26:55 PM
Post by: runamuk on November 19, 2016, 08:32:21 PM
Post by: 92xj on November 19, 2016, 08:33:41 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on November 19, 2016, 08:36:55 PM
I hope karma finds whoever did this.
And does what?
There is some serious conclusion jumping here. Obviously, if it were shot, it's an illegal move. If it's roadkill, who cares? They took everything but the fronts which will certainly not be wasted.
I took an entire roadkill deer home and ended up trashing half the thing anyway based on the damage.
Post by: Jonathan_S on November 19, 2016, 08:38:38 PM
It's the law. Take it all, including guts.
Nope
Post by: andr3wxmma on November 19, 2016, 08:42:47 PM
It's the law. Take it all, including guts.It is permissible to salvage and transport a deer or elk that is accidentally killed by a motor vehicle collision except for any deer killed by a motor vehicle collision in Clark, Cowlitz, and Wahkiakum counties.
A salvage permit must be obtained from the department within 24 hours of taking possession of the animal. Permits may be obtained on the department's website or at department regional offices.
Big game licenses and tags cannot be used for the purpose of salvaging motor vehicle-killed deer or elk.
The entire carcass, including entrails, of the animal must be removed from the road right of way.
Any meat an individual deems unfit for human consumption or unusable animal parts must be disposed of pursuant to WAC 246-203-121 http://apps.leg.wa.gov/WAC/default.aspx?cite=246-203-121 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/WAC/default.aspx?cite=246-203-121). Individuals salvaging and consuming this meat do so at their own risk. The department makes no guarantee as to the fitness for consumption of deer or elk collected under a salvage permit. (See Wild Game Meat Food Safety.)
An individual may not kill an injured or wounded animal for the purpose of salvage. Only a law enforcement officer or individuals or entities authorized by the department may euthanize an animal injured in a motor vehicle collision, whether or not the animal is taken for salvage.
Possession of wildlife in violation of subsection (4) is punishable under RCW 77.15.750.
Post by: Ridgeratt on November 19, 2016, 08:43:14 PM
Post by: runamuk on November 19, 2016, 08:44:22 PM
It's the law. Take it all, including guts.So leave it to rot is the better option if you see someone hit a deer and drive off? Don't bother salvaging any of it?
Some of you all ain't never been hungry I hope you know how blessed you are. And here I felt bad killing woodrats and leaving them for the critters. If shtf I would eat them and roadkill cutlets.
Post by: Harbor_hunter on November 19, 2016, 08:46:51 PM
Post by: andr3wxmma on November 19, 2016, 08:48:40 PM
If they were hungry why take the head and leave meat behind? I don't think anyone has a problem with someone using the meat from roadkill but at least take it all.It's the law. Take it all, including guts.So leave it to rot is the better option if you see someone hit a deer and drive off? Don't bother salvaging any of it?
Some of you all ain't never been hungry I hope you know how blessed you are. And here I felt bad killing woodrats and leaving them for the critters. If shtf I would eat them and roadkill cutlets.
Post by: Jonathan_S on November 19, 2016, 08:50:45 PM
Post by: bigsads on November 19, 2016, 09:09:41 PM
Post by: Gunsmoke on November 19, 2016, 09:54:14 PM
Does it seem strange that the head, Back strap's and hinds are all that's gone.
Not strange at all, those are the best cuts.
Post by: NOCK NOCK on November 20, 2016, 07:29:09 AM
Nothing goes to waste in the wild, its all consumed by critters.
Maybe this guy picks up ALOT of RK, it can be extra work sorting through the damaged area, just taking the best and leaving the rest to feed nature.
It may have been a gun and run, but without any visible gunshot wound :dunno: but if it was, he's a turd.
Post by: 92xj on November 20, 2016, 07:43:38 AM
It's the law. Take it all, including guts.It is permissible to salvage and transport a deer or elk that is accidentally killed by a motor vehicle collision except for any deer killed by a motor vehicle collision in Clark, Cowlitz, and Wahkiakum counties.
A salvage permit must be obtained from the department within 24 hours of taking possession of the animal. Permits may be obtained on the department's website or at department regional offices.
Big game licenses and tags cannot be used for the purpose of salvaging motor vehicle-killed deer or elk.
The entire carcass, including entrails, of the animal must be removed from the road right of way.
Any meat an individual deems unfit for human consumption or unusable animal parts must be disposed of pursuant to WAC 246-203-121 http://apps.leg.wa.gov/WAC/default.aspx?cite=246-203-121 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/WAC/default.aspx?cite=246-203-121). Individuals salvaging and consuming this meat do so at their own risk. The department makes no guarantee as to the fitness for consumption of deer or elk collected under a salvage permit. (See Wild Game Meat Food Safety.)
An individual may not kill an injured or wounded animal for the purpose of salvage. Only a law enforcement officer or individuals or entities authorized by the department may euthanize an animal injured in a motor vehicle collision, whether or not the animal is taken for salvage.
Possession of wildlife in violation of subsection (4) is punishable under RCW 77.15.750.
Hey, look at that. I might break history here on Huntwa. I was wrong and I apologize.
I remember when this first was legal and reading up on it a not but don't remember it saying "removed from the right of way". My memory was the entire animal carcass and entrails must be removed from the site. Maybe I was reading a draft and not the final release, beats me. But thanks for posting the wording. :tup:
Post by: 92xj on November 20, 2016, 07:46:27 AM
It's the law. Take it all, including guts.So leave it to rot is the better option if you see someone hit a deer and drive off? Don't bother salvaging any of it?
Some of you all ain't never been hungry I hope you know how blessed you are. And here I felt bad killing woodrats and leaving them for the critters. If shtf I would eat them and roadkill cutlets.
And then there is this stupid post.
Before you make assumptions about "some of you" and acting like you know their lives, stop and think for a second. Maybe people don't bitch and moan on the internet about how crappy their life is or how hungry they are and don't brag about how blessed they are. They are humble and don't feel sorry for themselves. You know nothing of other people.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on November 20, 2016, 12:05:53 PM
It's the law. Take it all, including guts.It is permissible to salvage and transport a deer or elk that is accidentally killed by a motor vehicle collision except for any deer killed by a motor vehicle collision in Clark, Cowlitz, and Wahkiakum counties.
A salvage permit must be obtained from the department within 24 hours of taking possession of the animal. Permits may be obtained on the department's website or at department regional offices.
Big game licenses and tags cannot be used for the purpose of salvaging motor vehicle-killed deer or elk.
The entire carcass, including entrails, of the animal must be removed from the road right of way.
Any meat an individual deems unfit for human consumption or unusable animal parts must be disposed of pursuant to WAC 246-203-121 http://apps.leg.wa.gov/WAC/default.aspx?cite=246-203-121 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/WAC/default.aspx?cite=246-203-121). Individuals salvaging and consuming this meat do so at their own risk. The department makes no guarantee as to the fitness for consumption of deer or elk collected under a salvage permit. (See Wild Game Meat Food Safety.)
An individual may not kill an injured or wounded animal for the purpose of salvage. Only a law enforcement officer or individuals or entities authorized by the department may euthanize an animal injured in a motor vehicle collision, whether or not the animal is taken for salvage.
Possession of wildlife in violation of subsection (4) is punishable under RCW 77.15.750.
Hey, look at that. I might break history here on Huntwa. I was wrong and I apologize.
I remember when this first was legal and reading up on it a not but don't remember it saying "removed from the right of way". My memory was the entire animal carcass and entrails must be removed from the site. Maybe I was reading a draft and not the final release, beats me. But thanks for posting the wording. :tup:
If you read the WAC about disposal I still think you have to take the whole animal and dispose of it. :dunno:
Bigtex might be able to chime in on it and set us straight. :tup:
Post by: 92xj on November 20, 2016, 12:24:58 PM
It's the law. Take it all, including guts.It is permissible to salvage and transport a deer or elk that is accidentally killed by a motor vehicle collision except for any deer killed by a motor vehicle collision in Clark, Cowlitz, and Wahkiakum counties.
A salvage permit must be obtained from the department within 24 hours of taking possession of the animal. Permits may be obtained on the department's website or at department regional offices.
Big game licenses and tags cannot be used for the purpose of salvaging motor vehicle-killed deer or elk.
The entire carcass, including entrails, of the animal must be removed from the road right of way.
Any meat an individual deems unfit for human consumption or unusable animal parts must be disposed of pursuant to WAC 246-203-121 http://apps.leg.wa.gov/WAC/default.aspx?cite=246-203-121 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/WAC/default.aspx?cite=246-203-121). Individuals salvaging and consuming this meat do so at their own risk. The department makes no guarantee as to the fitness for consumption of deer or elk collected under a salvage permit. (See Wild Game Meat Food Safety.)
An individual may not kill an injured or wounded animal for the purpose of salvage. Only a law enforcement officer or individuals or entities authorized by the department may euthanize an animal injured in a motor vehicle collision, whether or not the animal is taken for salvage.
Possession of wildlife in violation of subsection (4) is punishable under RCW 77.15.750.
Hey, look at that. I might break history here on Huntwa. I was wrong and I apologize.
I remember when this first was legal and reading up on it a not but don't remember it saying "removed from the right of way". My memory was the entire animal carcass and entrails must be removed from the site. Maybe I was reading a draft and not the final release, beats me. But thanks for posting the wording. :tup:
If you read the WAC about disposal I still think you have to take the whole animal and dispose of it. :dunno:
Bigtex might be able to chime in on it and set us straight. :tup:
Maybe that's what I thinking. I have no idea now.
I just dont see you being able to gut, skin, quarter and bone out road kill leaving everything on the side of the road like normally us hunters do to game killed in the woods. Though it would be nice to be able to leave that stuff and not bring it home.
Post by: NOCK NOCK on November 20, 2016, 03:41:10 PM
My 1st one I took to the mountains, gutted there - took home to process - then returned remains to mountains.
2nd one I took home - gutless method - returning remains to mountains
Post by: Jonathan_S on November 20, 2016, 03:43:23 PM
You need to take ALL of the deer when picking it up, after that, proper disposal of what you do not keep.
My 1st one I took to the mountains, gutted there - took home to process - then returned remains to mountains.
2nd one I took home - gutless method - returning remains to mountains
The WAC just says that it must be removed from the right of way
Post by: NOCK NOCK on November 20, 2016, 03:51:46 PM
You need to take ALL of the deer when picking it up, after that, proper disposal of what you do not keep.
My 1st one I took to the mountains, gutted there - took home to process - then returned remains to mountains.
2nd one I took home - gutless method - returning remains to mountains
The WAC just says that it must be removed from the right of way
Yes........ BUT, please folks don't be gutting an animal near a road, that is a good way to get folks PO'd and then we will lose this privilege.
Post by: fish vacuum on November 20, 2016, 03:55:38 PM
You need to take ALL of the deer when picking it up, after that, proper disposal of what you do not keep.It only says, "The entire carcass, including entrails, of the animal must be removed from the road right of way."
My 1st one I took to the mountains, gutted there - took home to process - then returned remains to mountains.
2nd one I took home - gutless method - returning remains to mountains
Post by: PlateauNDN on November 20, 2016, 04:01:10 PM
You need to take ALL of the deer when picking it up, after that, proper disposal of what you do not keep.
My 1st one I took to the mountains, gutted there - took home to process - then returned remains to mountains.
2nd one I took home - gutless method - returning remains to mountains
The WAC just says that it must be removed from the right of way
Yes........ BUT, please folks don't be gutting an animal near a road, that is a good way to get folks PO'd and then we will lose this privilege.
People are already doing it. I took this pic right next to the road just outside of the roads "right-of-way".
Post by: JDhunting_Aus on November 20, 2016, 04:04:11 PM
I'm sure most people here have driven over the speed limit in their time and justify it by being late for something or going "only a little bit over" , that's against the law so how's it any different?
I abide by laws but they've got to stand up against common sense. Would I huff and puff against someone doing this even if its against the law? Not a chance, if I saw the same bloke illegally shoot it and do the same thing its a whole other ball game to me.
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Post by: PlateauNDN on November 20, 2016, 04:05:16 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on November 20, 2016, 04:15:15 PM
Print WACs > Title 246 > Chapter 246-203 > Section 246-203-121
246-203-100 << 246-203-121 >> 246-203-130
Agency filings affecting this section
WAC 246-203-121
Disposal of dead animals.
(1) Definitions. For the purpose of this regulation the following definitions apply:
(a) "Burial" means completely covering with soil in a manner and location not requiring a permit for a landfill under chapter 70.95 RCW, Solid waste management—Reduction and recycling.
(b) "Composting" means a process of controlled aerobic decomposition in compliance with chapter 70.95 RCW, Solid waste management—Reduction and recycling.
(c) "Dead animal" means the carcass or tissue from an animal, large or small, except part of an animal used for food or other beneficial purpose in accordance with federal, state, and local laws and regulations. "Dead animal" does not mean a fish or other primarily aquatic animal.
(d) "Incineration" means controlled and monitored combustion for the purposes of volume reduction and pathogen destruction in an enclosed device approved by the department of ecology or the local air pollution control authority under chapter 70.94 RCW, Washington Clean Air Act, and chapter 70.95 RCW, Solid waste management—Reduction and recycling.
(e) "Landfilling" means a process of disposal at a permitted facility where solid waste is permanently placed in or on land in compliance with rules adopted by the department of ecology under chapter 70.95 RCW, Solid waste management—Reduction and recycling.
(f) "Livestock" means horses, mules, donkeys, cattle, bison, sheep, goats, swine, rabbits, llamas, alpacas, ratites, poultry, waterfowl, game birds, or other species according to RCW 16.36.005.
(g) "Natural decomposition" means natural decay on the surface of the ground without cover material.
(h) "Rendering" means heat processing according to requirements under chapter 16.68 RCW, Disposal of dead animals.
(2) Disposal methods.
(a) Within seventy-two hours after death or discovery, the owner of a dead animal or, if the owner of the animal cannot be identified, the owner of the property on which the animal is found must properly dispose of the dead animal. A dead animal must be covered or otherwise removed from public view immediately upon discovery by the person responsible for disposing of the dead animal.
(b) The person responsible for disposal of a dead animal must dispose of it in a manner so as not to become a public or common nuisance or cause pollution of surface or groundwater.
(c) The person responsible for disposal of a dead animal must dispose of it by burial, landfilling, incineration, composting, rendering, or another method approved by the local health officer (such as natural decomposition) that is not otherwise prohibited by federal, state, or local law or regulation.
(d) A person disposing of a dead animal by burial must place it so that every part is covered by at least three feet of soil; at a location not less than one hundred feet from any well, spring, stream or other surface waters; not in a low-lying area subject to seasonal flooding or within a one hundred-year flood plain; and not in a manner likely to contaminate groundwater.
(e) A person disposing of a dead animal must not bury or compost it within the sanitary control area of a public drinking water supply source as designated under chapter 246-290 WAC, Public water supplies, or chapter 246-291 WAC, Group B public water systems.
(f) The local health officer may specify the method of disposal for a dead animal if:
(i) The animal died with a communicable disease transmissible to humans; or
(ii) The local health officer considers a public health emergency to exist.
(g) The provisions of RCW 16.36.092 and chapter 16-25 WAC supersede the provisions of this regulation for the disposal of a livestock animal that has died because of disease or unknown cause.
[Statutory Authority: RCW 43.20.050(2). WSR 07-14-149, § 246-203-121, filed 7/5/07, effective 8/5/07.]
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I don't see anywhere in here it says you can leave anything besides the road. :twocents:
Post by: NOCK NOCK on November 20, 2016, 04:16:29 PM
That was 1 of 3 I passed between north of Ellensburg (about 10 miles) and Yakima in 1 day. 2 gutless method and 1 gutted. All just outside the "right-of-way". Legal, but could've dragged or shoved them the extra few feet out of sight. :dunno:
Exactly, and if that keeps up we may eventually lose this privilege. Picture a family with little ones driving down the road to get their Christmas tree.....look mommy whats that guy doing with that deer. :bash:
Post by: fish vacuum on November 20, 2016, 05:57:36 PM
Post by: cbond3318 on November 20, 2016, 06:10:26 PM
That was 1 of 3 I passed between north of Ellensburg (about 10 miles) and Yakima in 1 day. 2 gutless method and 1 gutted. All just outside the "right-of-way". Legal, but could've dragged or shoved them the extra few feet out of sight. :dunno:
Exactly, and if that keeps up we may eventually lose this privilege. Picture a family with little ones driving down the road to get their Christmas tree.....look mommy whats that guy doing with that deer. :bash:
:yeah: :yeah:
Post by: bigtex on November 21, 2016, 10:16:06 PM
It was WDFWs intent with this statement that individuals would have to take the entire animal home, plain and simple. However, some see it meaning they can take the meat and simply move the carcass out of the right of way. But if you think about it, you just now placed a rotting animal on someone else's property. I foresee the rule to be changed in the coming years. It's just coming up with good verbiage that will be the hard part.
Post by: shootem on November 21, 2016, 11:11:51 PM
Post by: fish vacuum on November 22, 2016, 02:12:31 AM
The WAC as it was written has created issues specifically the "The entire carcass, including entrails, of the animal must be removed from the road right of way" portion.
It was WDFWs intent with this statement that individuals would have to take the entire animal home, plain and simple. However, some see it meaning they can take the meat and simply move the carcass out of the right of way. But if you think about it, you just now placed a rotting animal on someone else's property. I foresee the rule to be changed in the coming years. It's just coming up with good verbiage that will be the hard part.
If the property along the road is private, then yes, the whole animal should be taken away. But if the property along the road is DNR, FS, DOT, etc, then I'd leave the remains there, but move it out of sight if possible.
If a deer gets whacked on the road it's gonna be laying there for all to see. If someone takes the backstraps and other salvageable meat off it, there's still a dead deer on the side of the road. The guy who takes the meat didn't put the animal there.
Post by: baker5150 on November 22, 2016, 06:10:17 AM
I doubt I'd lose sleep if I hit a yote, but if it helps keep and eagle, hawk, etc. from being hit, then it's worth the extra trouble of getting it removed.
Post by: Chesapeake on November 22, 2016, 08:53:06 AM
I mention this just to point out that this type of field dress isn't necessarily related to road kill.
I happened across this video on youtube the other day and whats depicted in the video doesn't look much better as far as meat utilization goes.
Post by: Elkrunner on November 22, 2016, 09:06:04 AM
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on November 22, 2016, 11:44:22 AM
(a) Within seventy-two hours after death or discovery, the owner of a dead animal or, if the owner of the animal cannot be identified, the owner of the property on which the animal is found must properly dispose of the dead animal. A dead animal must be covered or otherwise removed from public view immediately upon discovery by the person responsible for disposing of the dead animal.
(b) The person responsible for disposal of a dead animal must dispose of it in a manner so as not to become a public or common nuisance or cause pollution of surface or groundwater.
(c) The person responsible for disposal of a dead animal must dispose of it by burial, landfilling, incineration, composting, rendering, or another method approved by the local health officer (such as natural decomposition) that is not otherwise prohibited by federal, state, or local law or regulation.
I think a common sense interpretation is that if you claim the roadkill, you become the responsible party for disposal, which at a minimum requires removing the carcass from public view. Leaving a skinned back or partially boned out carcass in plain view is not ok IMHO.
Post by: NOCK NOCK on November 22, 2016, 01:54:13 PM
Post by: Jpmiller on November 22, 2016, 02:50:05 PM
For instance if you hit a deer in front of my house, gutted and quartered it and drug it off the road you would either be leaving it in the public ROW or on my private property, both of which aren't ok. O
Post by: NOCK NOCK on November 22, 2016, 03:30:25 PM