Post by: krapmit on November 24, 2016, 01:49:09 PM
Anyone else have thoughts? :bash: :(
Post by: tjthebest on November 24, 2016, 01:53:27 PM
Post by: DaveMonti on November 24, 2016, 01:55:17 PM
Post by: kentrek on November 24, 2016, 02:00:44 PM
Post by: highside74 on November 24, 2016, 02:01:22 PM
I love them. Keeps me dry and are plenty quite while going super slow still hunting. If it's raining then the noise doesn't really matter anyways.
I agree. If it is raining hard enough to need a dedicated rain pant then noise isn't an issue.
Post by: Clearcut on November 24, 2016, 02:02:36 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on November 24, 2016, 02:07:49 PM
After the rain stops it tends to be really quiet unless you're near a stream or something. The water on the brush gets me wetter than actual rain. I think the good rain gear is better in that timeframe. I agree if it is raining hard, then the noise seems to not matter; but those five or six hours of super calm right after the storm ends is where a quieter outer shell would help.I love them. Keeps me dry and are plenty quite while going super slow still hunting. If it's raining then the noise doesn't really matter anyways.
I agree. If it is raining hard enough to need a dedicated rain pant then noise isn't an issue.
I can't feel any moisture come through when it is just a rain drop, but the big drops out of the moss from the trees can hit with some force.
Post by: krapmit on November 24, 2016, 02:15:29 PM
With a tighter/sleeker fit they won't rub as much and make quite as much noise. Haven't had them in the field, just was surprised for $300 they wern't a bit quieter in the house walking around.
Post by: trophyhunt on November 24, 2016, 03:05:20 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on November 24, 2016, 03:09:49 PM
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on November 24, 2016, 03:54:49 PM
Post by: dmoua on November 24, 2016, 03:56:28 PM
Post by: Clearcut on November 24, 2016, 04:03:17 PM
Post by: savagehunter on November 24, 2016, 04:21:10 PM
Post by: huntnphool on November 24, 2016, 04:35:21 PM
plenty quite while going super slow still hunting.
:chuckle: Sorry TJ, this just sounds funny. :chuckle:
Post by: SteelheadTed on November 26, 2016, 01:51:34 PM
Post by: Smossy on November 26, 2016, 02:37:27 PM
Post by: bwhntr2819 on November 26, 2016, 08:41:13 PM
Post by: 3nails on November 26, 2016, 10:08:35 PM
Post by: kentrek on November 26, 2016, 10:44:12 PM
This Kuiu gear is brutally loud. The horrid noise it makes in the brush is the worst I've ever seen in hunting gear. On a calm day I'm convinced it can be heard by game (and myself) at 100 yds. I hunted with someone wearing this garbage recently and couldn't hear anything but him swishing around the woods. You can't even lift your arm without a loud swoosh! It's not even that I'd worry about the game hearing it but that I couldn't hear them over the racket so close to the body. My :twocents:
Nothing worse then trying to rattle in big bucks while wearing gortex...how ever...on a mtn hunt you couldn't pry the stuff from my warm dry hands
Post by: 3nails on November 26, 2016, 10:51:35 PM
A rainy day in the high country is the one place I could see using it. But the noise would still bug me. :chuckle:This Kuiu gear is brutally loud. The horrid noise it makes in the brush is the worst I've ever seen in hunting gear. On a calm day I'm convinced it can be heard by game (and myself) at 100 yds. I hunted with someone wearing this garbage recently and couldn't hear anything but him swishing around the woods. You can't even lift your arm without a loud swoosh! It's not even that I'd worry about the game hearing it but that I couldn't hear them over the racket so close to the body. My :twocents:
Nothing worse then trying to rattle in big bucks while wearing gortex...how ever...on a mtn hunt you couldn't pry the stuff from my warm dry hands
Post by: haugenna on November 26, 2016, 10:58:06 PM
Post by: Houndhunter on November 27, 2016, 04:21:36 AM
Post by: follow maggie on November 28, 2016, 02:43:20 AM
My thoughts are that it is not all that fair to complain about a product for something it never promised to be. Kuiu doesn't say the pants will be quiet, so complaining about it seems odd. Maybe like buying downhill skis and complaining they suck as cross country skis.Especially when it hasn't been worn outside the house, yet.
Post by: Buzz2401 on November 28, 2016, 04:03:29 AM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on November 28, 2016, 06:30:13 AM
Post by: pope on November 28, 2016, 06:57:10 AM
Post by: boneaddict on November 28, 2016, 06:58:20 AM
Post by: baker5150 on November 28, 2016, 07:40:51 AM
I find gore-tex with camo fleece OVER it is warm, dry and quiet. I buy the fleece for $20 and go to REI garage sales to find super cheap gore-tex shells. It doesn't need to be camo because I'm going to put fleece over it. I wouldn't even consider paying for high-tec hunting clothing unless I felt it gave me perfect performance that I could not find elsewhere.
Does it breathe?
Layering over a waterproof/breathable garment usually traps the moisture escaping, defeating the purpose. Especially when the outer layer is wet.
This is why I don't buy products that have a waterproof liner and an outer layer that doesn't at least repel water. Once the outer layer is soaked it can't breathe anymore, trapping moisture and you end up wet from sweat or trapped moisture.
There is no perfect solution in my eyes.
Post by: pope on November 28, 2016, 08:02:32 AM
Post by: Chesapeake on November 28, 2016, 05:13:04 PM
Post by: bullfisher on November 28, 2016, 10:17:25 PM
Post by: fisheral87 on November 29, 2016, 07:37:35 AM
Please elaborate.
Al
Post by: Ccortez on November 29, 2016, 08:09:58 AM
Post by: 7mmfan on November 29, 2016, 08:44:44 AM
They are noisy. The Chugach to me is very noisy. I took it off in Idaho this year while moving on some animals because I felt it was just to noisy. The Yukon pants don't seem overly noisy to me though. They have a typical synthetic material swish to them, but no more than any other pant as far as I'm concerned.
I killed 2 deer while wearing them this year, 1 of them at about 15'-20' while still hunting. Never knew I was there. :twocents:
Post by: buglebrush on November 29, 2016, 08:46:38 AM
Post by: RussB on November 29, 2016, 11:22:27 AM
Post by: JeffRaines on November 29, 2016, 11:52:32 AM
Yes, its loud. Its called raingear. You put it on when its raining, you take it off when its not. Its the same as those thick puffys.. you put them on when you stop/plan on being still for some time... you take them off when you get ready to move again... in most cases they aren't designed to be hunted in.
Post by: dominknows on November 29, 2016, 12:13:18 PM
Last season I went through a couple of really heavy brush patches(small firs mixed with blackberry and devils club in one of the cases) in my Yukon gear. When I finally got back to my truck I was really concerned, I paid 300 bucks for a jacket that I just know is going to have a rip. Damn! Took it off and looked it over - nothing. Not even a blemish. That was when I was fully sold on it.Spot on! :brew:
Yes, its loud. Its called raingear. You put it on when its raining, you take it off when its not. Its the same as those thick puffys.. you put them on when you stop/plan on being still for some time... you take them off when you get ready to move again... in most cases they aren't designed to be hunted in.
I've never had any issues with elk hearing me while wearing mine, I also don't wear them unless it's actually sustained rain not that p*ssy morning mist.
Post by: mtn muley madness on November 29, 2016, 12:44:44 PM
Post by: washingtonhunter121 on November 29, 2016, 01:10:45 PM
Post by: Buzz2401 on November 29, 2016, 01:29:23 PM
100% Merino wool trumps all, outer layer and under layers. Its quiet, breathable, dries out way quicker after hunting all day in weather, you stay warm in nasty weather and don't overheat in mild weather, and it doesn't get ridiculously heavy when water drenched. Synthetics have come a long way over the years as I've tried MANY different kinds/brands looking for that perfect marriage of material and gear set-ups, but always end up going back to the wool. Wool, in my opinion, is seriously underrated. But like everything else hunting related (caliber of rifle, brand of scope or bino's, brand of bow and arrows, pack frame, backpack configuration, etc. etc.), personal preference is key. At least there's no shortage of options out there!:yeah:
I wear head to toe wool. From my underwear to my top layer. Nothing is quieter, and it won't fail on you at the worst time possible. Ya your gonna get wet, ya it gets heavy, but you stay warm and it is super durable lasting years.
Post by: krapmit on November 29, 2016, 01:54:46 PM
They claim their hunting pant & jacket (selkirk all weather) is twice as breathable as Sitka or Kuiu or anything else at 120,000 breathability level.
PLUS THIS STUFF IS 100% LIFETIME GUARANTEE NO QUESTIONS ASKED FOR ANY REASON.
Post by: fisheral87 on November 29, 2016, 09:43:34 PM
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120,000 breathability level.
Have they gone through Vartest to be able to compare apples to apples?
Post by: follow maggie on November 29, 2016, 10:42:55 PM
Post by: h2ofowlr on November 29, 2016, 10:49:38 PM
Everyone needs to check out PNUMA Gear. https://www.pnumaoutdoors.com/
They claim their hunting pant & jacket (selkirk all weather) is twice as breathable as Sitka or Kuiu or anything else at 120,000 breathability level.
PLUS THIS STUFF IS 100% LIFETIME GUARANTEE NO QUESTIONS ASKED FOR ANY REASON.
It should be lifetime guarantee at those prices. Must be a big market for the $100+ per piece clothing.
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Hoping this gets resolved in a matter that justifies the price and hype.
Post by: buglebrush on November 30, 2016, 10:26:29 AM
Post by: 7mmfan on November 30, 2016, 10:33:36 AM
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Post by: Bronson on November 30, 2016, 11:29:55 AM
Post by: krapmit on November 30, 2016, 12:13:57 PM
Neither Kuiu, sitka or firstlite is putting their product to that level of guarantee. PNUMA is trying to be like LL BEAN with guarantee.
Post by: shadowless_nite on November 30, 2016, 01:48:46 PM
My guess is they will say tough luck. The Chugach is some of the lightest gear on the market, and its pushed as such. I feel that when you make the decision to go ultra lightweight, you also make the decision to go less durable. That is exactly why I got the Yukons. You are right, the gators would have helped, that's a bummer they didn't fit properly. Mine seem to fit just fine.
Yeah I'm assuming they're going to tell me tough luck, and I know their disclaimer pretty much doesn't cover anything other than seams coming apart. But it's worth a shot. And I knew that these would most likely be delicate, as I have lost many pairs of pants to my bike chain while hunting I purchased the gaiters for just that reason, better to eat up a pair of gaiters than the even more expensive rain pants. Being 5' 6" with a 29in inseam wearing the same pants as someone 6ft tall leaves it bunched up arpund the ankle. And getting them altered voids warranty so that doesnt help. Worse case scenario I'll give rainy pass a try and then have them altered to be shorter. Just gonna cross my fingers and hope a for a pity warranty.
Post by: JeffRaines on December 01, 2016, 09:40:20 AM
This is why I say to try PNUMA - for the same price point, you're getting a no questions asked lifetime warranty and (they claim) better breathability. Not going to be as light, but you can't beat lifetime.
Neither Kuiu, sitka or firstlite is putting their product to that level of guarantee. PNUMA is trying to be like LL BEAN with guarantee.
I'm sure many of us have never heard of PNUMA. I would hesitate to spend that kind of money banking on a lifetime guarantee with a company that I wasn't sure of. I'm sure they'll honor it, but how long will they be in business? Maybe in 5 years or so it'll be a safer investment if they're still around. While the other brands don't carry a lifetime warranty, at least I know they're not going to disappear anytime soon.
Post by: haugenna on December 01, 2016, 02:39:56 PM
Reminds me of a famous movie quote, "I can take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I got spare time" Tommy Callahan
Post by: Bronson on December 01, 2016, 03:05:31 PM
Post by: Chesapeake on December 01, 2016, 03:36:19 PM
The issue I have with "repair or replace" is that the majority of the issue with these garments are a failure to keep water out. So you buy a $300 rain jacket that's useless after a half hour and all the company is willing to offer is a warranty replacement of another of the same. That's useless to me.
I just did this with a Firstlite storm front. They would only replace their poorly performing rain jacket with another poorly performing rain jacket. I wanted my money back so I could go buy something else that would hopefully work better.
The other issue with warranties. They just wrap up the expected cost impacts into the product price. How much of that $300 price tag is there to cover expected warranty claims?
Krapmit,
Why are you tooting the Puma whistle so hard? Whats your relation to the company?
Post by: JeffRaines on December 01, 2016, 10:33:35 PM
Krapmit,
Why are you tooting the Puma whistle so hard? Whats your relation to the company?
Same thing I was thinking.
On another note, I'm surprised you had a bad experience with first lite. I don't have any of their rain gear but the items I do have I can't complain about.
Post by: Chesapeake on December 02, 2016, 03:01:52 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on December 02, 2016, 03:07:44 PM
They specify their lifetime guarantee on their site. It caught me as mostly useless. It states they will "repair or replace". They make no mention of offering a refund.
The issue I have with "repair or replace" is that the majority of the issue with these garments are a failure to keep water out. So you buy a $300 rain jacket that's useless after a half hour and all the company is willing to offer is a warranty replacement of another of the same. That's useless to me.
I just did this with a Firstlite storm front. They would only replace their poorly performing rain jacket with another poorly performing rain jacket. I wanted my money back so I could go buy something else that would hopefully work better.
The other issue with warranties. They just wrap up the expected cost impacts into the product price. How much of that $300 price tag is there to cover expected warranty claims?
Krapmit,
Why are you tooting the Puma whistle so hard? Whats your relation to the company?
Really surprised to hear this, my First Lite Rain Gear has been great. Btw, Sitka makes the Storm Front not First Lite
Post by: krapmit on December 02, 2016, 03:23:10 PM
I own firstlite, kuiu, Rivers West, Northface, Arc'teryx, Patagonia type mountain and hunting and rain clothing and just saying everything I've read and see with this stuff is the real deal.
It's fairly new. but looks very promising.
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Post by: 7mmfan on December 07, 2016, 08:41:00 PM
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Post by: huntnfmly on December 13, 2016, 04:21:41 PM
That's classic lol
Post by: tjthebest on December 15, 2016, 11:19:21 AM
They specify their lifetime guarantee on their site. It caught me as mostly useless. It states they will "repair or replace". They make no mention of offering a refund.
The issue I have with "repair or replace" is that the majority of the issue with these garments are a failure to keep water out. So you buy a $300 rain jacket that's useless after a half hour and all the company is willing to offer is a warranty replacement of another of the same. That's useless to me.
I just did this with a Firstlite storm front. They would only replace their poorly performing rain jacket with another poorly performing rain jacket. I wanted my money back so I could go buy something else that would hopefully work better.
The other issue with warranties. They just wrap up the expected cost impacts into the product price. How much of that $300 price tag is there to cover expected warranty claims?
Krapmit,
Why are you tooting the Puma whistle so hard? Whats your relation to the company?
Did you have issues with the new SEAK Stormtight jacket? or the older models?
Post by: floatinghat on December 19, 2016, 04:53:22 PM
I have some of their gear I like. That said I won't buy anymore based on thier warranty policy.
Anyone who sells a item at a 20% discount calls it an outlet sale and says no warranty needs an adjustment in Customer Service Policy. Makes people just through hoops to replace defective designed frames, replaces / redesigns and stops supporting previous generations of equipment too quickly.
As I said i have some Kuiu gear that I like a lot. However, I wouldn't replace it with Kuiu due to the lack of ease to do business. It's unfortunite and I hope they straighten it out.
Post by: huntnfmly on January 05, 2017, 02:23:00 PM
Pretty nice if you ask me I didn't expect that
Post by: shadowless_nite on January 08, 2017, 06:54:54 PM
For what it's worth I just got a peloton 240 full zip that a just washed and it was pretty much dry when I pulled it out.
Pretty nice if you ask me I didn't expect that
I have the same full zip in a hoody. They drain extremely well when soaked and hung up. Never had a hoody that wasn't cotton so I was really impressed when it was completely dry after I hung it up in my truck this late season to dry with the heater on and it went from completely soaked to just about dry except cuffs in the sleeve in a hour.