Post by: sled on November 24, 2016, 06:42:40 PM
Post by: SkookumHntr on November 24, 2016, 07:00:22 PM
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Post by: fishngamereaper on November 24, 2016, 07:32:57 PM
Post by: muledeer78 on November 24, 2016, 09:24:01 PM
Post by: sled on November 24, 2016, 09:42:56 PM
I maybe selling mine! 21' Thunderjet w/ off shore bracket. 150hp & 9.9 Yamahas. I think I have 56 hours on the big motor. Just don't have time to use it.ooooo! Sounds interesting...., nice boats for sure!
Post by: kenzmad on November 24, 2016, 09:58:14 PM
Post by: sled on November 24, 2016, 10:35:20 PM
Post by: huntnphool on November 24, 2016, 11:01:01 PM
Post by: lokidog on November 24, 2016, 11:41:21 PM
H2O, wish I could seriously consider trading up to your boat.... :(
It really depends on how you want to use it. Where are you going to be using it?
This probably makes a big difference as well as your budget. Unfortunately for the buyer, new and used aluminum boats are quite a bit more expensive than fiberglass. There are instances where I would recommend glass over aluminum including they provide a smoother ride in general, the initial investment is substantially less, and they have a higher passenger capacity rating than aluminum, eg. my Alumaweld is only rated for five people. Aluminum over glass would be better fuel economy and easier towing due to them being generally lighter than glass. Aluminum is also better if you are beaching it a lot, though they make a good keel guard for fiberglass boats.
Post by: fishngamereaper on November 25, 2016, 12:57:21 PM
Post by: The scout on November 25, 2016, 02:12:09 PM
Post by: Lefthook on November 25, 2016, 02:31:55 PM
Post by: sled on November 25, 2016, 05:16:57 PM
I maybe selling mine! 21' Thunderjet w/ off shore bracket. 150hp & 9.9 Yamahas. I think I have 56 hours on the big motor. Just don't have time to use it.what year is it?
Post by: Huntin Hounds on November 25, 2016, 10:31:00 PM
Post by: trophyelk6x6 on November 26, 2016, 06:59:52 PM
Post by: bullfisher on November 27, 2016, 02:17:42 PM
Also boats 20' and over give you more bang for your buck due to the floatation law for boats under 20' so keep that in mind.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on November 27, 2016, 02:24:48 PM
I'm on my 9th boat. I love to buy, sell, restore and fish. I've owned every major aluminum brand and can tell you the best winsheild outboard jet would have to go to Wooldridge in Seattle. They are lighter, have more hull structure, an outboard jet tunnel, 2 piece winsheild and have been doing it longer than any other manufacturer.
Also boats 20' and over give you more bang for your buck due to the floatation law for boats under 20' so keep that in mind.
What's this flotation law you speak of? :dunno:
Post by: huntnphool on November 27, 2016, 02:39:35 PM
I'm on my 9th boat. I love to buy, sell, restore and fish. I've owned every major aluminum brand and can tell you the best winsheild outboard jet would have to go to Wooldridge in Seattle. They are lighter, have more hull structure, an outboard jet tunnel, 2 piece winsheild and have been doing it longer than any other manufacturer.
Also boats 20' and over give you more bang for your buck due to the floatation law for boats under 20' so keep that in mind.
What's this flotation law you speak of? :dunno:
USCG requires boat manufacturers build their 19' and smaller so that they float level for a certain amount of time when swamped, I think it's 24 hours but not sure on the time.
To do this, manufacturers fill open spaces on the boat with foam, which reduces overall storage "space" on the boat.
Boats 20' and longer are not required by USCG to have this. ;)
Post by: bullfisher on November 27, 2016, 02:42:13 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on November 27, 2016, 02:47:16 PM
Post by: BigGoonTuna on November 28, 2016, 01:27:23 AM
i have to second wooldridge. i love mine and if i ever have the funds(or blessing from the wife) for a bigger companion boat i'll be looking for an 18 or 20' xtra plus someday.
Post by: SpringerFan on November 28, 2016, 06:12:34 AM
There are pictures of mine on a few of the boating / fishing forums. Or do a Google search for Edge Marine Sport OS. I am standing next to the black and red one on a trailer.
Good luck!
Post by: fishngamereaper on November 28, 2016, 06:35:09 AM
Post by: C-Money on November 28, 2016, 09:02:16 AM
Post by: lokidog on November 28, 2016, 10:35:55 AM
Suspension seats have absolutely zero to do with quality of the boat.
Tractor seats work well and cost less than $150. :chuckle:
There are trade offs with what ever boat you get, you just have to decide what is most important to you.
Post by: huntnphool on November 28, 2016, 11:03:20 AM
You still have not told us where you are wanting to go in your boat, that makes a big difference.
Post by: SpringerFan on November 28, 2016, 11:53:44 AM
Suspension seats have absolutely zero to do with quality of the boat.
Never said it was about quality.
It is about design as in hull. The Edge has a 20 degree dead rise in the aft extended to the offshore bracket. 60 degree under the helm. Yes it has pedestal air seats but they rarely come in to play.
To quote an individual who has worked on and fished just about every aluminum boat manufacturer, "some will have you pissing blood without those high end seats." So it is about design and ride.
Post by: fishngamereaper on November 28, 2016, 12:10:07 PM
Suspension seats have absolutely zero to do with quality of the boat.
Never said it was about quality.
It is about design as in hull. The Edge has a 20 degree dead rise in the afternoon extended to the offshore bracket. 60 degree under the helm. Yes it has pedestal air seats but they rarely come in to play.
To quote an individual who has worked on and fished just about every aluminum boat manufacturer, "some will have you pissing blood without those high end seats." So it is about design and ride.
Let me re phrase. Don't rule out boats with suspension seats. Deep V entry boats are great for the chop but there are trade offs with carrying that angle back to the transom. I've found those type of boats to be rolly. Again trade offs. My hewes cuts water great, and what water it can't cut is absorbed with the suspension seats. It also doesn't tend to roll a lot. Also for me a big selling point is the Hewes carries the bottom all the way back, thus the extended transom vs the offshore bracket design.
Post by: Wacenturion on November 28, 2016, 01:07:03 PM
"You still have not told us where you are wanting to go in your boat, that makes a big difference."
For me my 22 ft. North River Commander inboard jet does everything I want to do fishing wise. I choose the inboard jet for the ease and mobility of use on inland waters and rivers over salt as my primary use. I have always liked North Rivers as well, so for me the manufacturer choice was pretty straight forward.
However it will certainly do salt if I want it to. No such thing as a perfect boat.
Post by: drysideshooter on November 28, 2016, 01:34:48 PM
Be sure you actually need a jet. If you aren't running skinny water you will be better served by a prop.
I've owned Duckworth's, Alumaweld's, Almars, Woodridge and now a Northwest. All have been good boats. If I was looking for another boat, especially a hard top, I would look at North River for sure. I tend to like pretty simple boats that are easy to keep clean with no carpet. When I bought my Northwest a Hewes was the other consideration.
Post by: lokidog on November 28, 2016, 03:33:10 PM
Let me re phrase. Don't rule out boats with suspension seats. Deep V entry boats are great for the chop but there are trade offs with carrying that angle back to the transom. I've found those type of boats to be rolly. Again trade offs. My hewes cuts water great, and what water it can't cut is absorbed with the suspension seats. It also doesn't tend to roll a lot. Also for me a big selling point is the Hewes carries the bottom all the way back, thus the extended transom vs the offshore bracket design.
This is one of the reasons we were going to go with, I think it was, the Hewes Pro V instead of the Searunner when we thought we might be able to swing a little larger boat with a hardtop. The slightly flatter hull would also provide better fuel economy. Unfortunately, it did not pan out.
Something else to consider, if you go with an outboard, purchasing in OR may be a financial benefit as many dealers will bill the engine and whatever other add-ons separately so you can save the sales tax on 15K or so.
Post by: Crunchy on November 28, 2016, 04:07:17 PM
A smart person would listen to other more knowledgeable people prior to making that first purchase.
Post by: lokidog on November 28, 2016, 04:10:25 PM
That's why he's asking all of us..... 8) :chuckle:
Post by: SpringerFan on November 28, 2016, 05:17:34 PM
Suspension seats have absolutely zero to do with quality of the boat.
Never said it was about quality.
It is about design as in hull. The Edge has a 20 degree dead rise in the afternoon extended to the offshore bracket. 60 degree under the helm. Yes it has pedestal air seats but they rarely come in to play.
To quote an individual who has worked on and fished just about every aluminum boat manufacturer, "some will have you pissing blood without those high end seats." So it is about design and ride.
Let me re phrase. Don't rule out boats with suspension seats. Deep V entry boats are great for the chop but there are trade offs with carrying that angle back to the transom. I've found those type of boats to be rolly. Again trade offs. My hewes cuts water great, and what water it can't cut is absorbed with the suspension seats. It also doesn't tend to roll a lot. Also for me a big selling point is the Hewes carries the bottom all the way back, thus the extended transom vs the offshore bracket design.
Ok last rebuttal. I researched for 6 months. Compared specs.
The Edge carries the chines and dead rise all the way back under the offshore bracket. Think delta pad. It is an extension of the hull.
Edge is not tippy. Yes some deep vee boats can be. You need to get a wider boat. Edge is 96". Most boats are 84".
Bottom line is based on how and where you will use it is a big factor. Like I said, climb all over a bunch. Take test rides. That will help you decide.
Post by: WSU on November 28, 2016, 05:31:44 PM
Post by: sled on November 28, 2016, 06:00:06 PM
When I ordered mine I went with the standard pedestal mount seats to save floor space and weight, I've not regretted it one minute. :twocents:sorry, I'll do mostly lake and sound fishing, and water sports a little.
You still have not told us where you are wanting to go in your boat, that makes a big difference.
Post by: sled on November 28, 2016, 06:00:48 PM
When I ordered mine I went with the standard pedestal mount seats to save floor space and weight, I've not regretted it one minute. :twocents:look at the shine!!!
You still have not told us where you are wanting to go in your boat, that makes a big difference.
Post by: SpringerFan on November 28, 2016, 06:02:09 PM
http://aluminumalloyboats.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=5839
Post by: sled on November 28, 2016, 06:05:48 PM
A smart person would listen to other more knowledgeable people prior to making that first purchase.:chuckle: for Shure!
That's why he's asking all of us..... 8) :chuckle:
Post by: bullfisher on November 28, 2016, 09:56:32 PM
Then I would advise against a jet. Outboard, yes.When I ordered mine I went with the standard pedestal mount seats to save floor space and weight, I've not regretted it one minute. :twocents:sorry, I'll do mostly lake and sound fishing, and water sports a little.
You still have not told us where you are wanting to go in your boat, that makes a big difference.
Post by: kball4 on November 29, 2016, 04:38:18 PM
Post by: cavemann on December 01, 2016, 11:18:45 AM
Post by: WSU on December 01, 2016, 11:45:07 AM
Post by: elkaholic123 on December 01, 2016, 11:49:48 AM
I would not get a jet unless I planned to fish rivers. For lakes, the Columbia, and the sound, an outboard jet is the way to go. I don't know which model I'd get but it wouldn't be a jet.:dunno: Well which is it? :chuckle:
Post by: 2MANY on December 01, 2016, 12:01:04 PM
Post by: huntnphool on December 01, 2016, 12:06:45 PM
Since we have no idea the intended use of this boat I would recommend an air-boat.
He replied.
When I ordered mine I went with the standard pedestal mount seats to save floor space and weight, I've not regretted it one minute. :twocents:sorry, I'll do mostly lake and sound fishing, and water sports a little.
You still have not told us where you are wanting to go in your boat, that makes a big difference.
If you are not going to be in skinny water there is no need for a jet.
That being said, it's nice to be able to go anywhere....and as far as fuel goes, my boat uses about 8 gallons/hr at 3200rpm's, which isn't bad. With a 70 gal. tank, we can do a lot between fill ups.
Post by: 2MANY on December 01, 2016, 12:12:25 PM
Like others said.
No skinny water.......no pump if going outboard.
4 stroke Yamaha.
Inboards require winterization.
Huntnphool...................Your North River has some bling to it alright.
Sunglasses mandatory!
Post by: WSU on December 01, 2016, 12:13:01 PM
I would not get a jet unless I planned to fish rivers. For lakes, the Columbia, and the sound, an outboard jet is the way to go. I don't know which model I'd get but it wouldn't be a jet.:dunno: Well which is it? :chuckle:
Apparently I don't know?
Post by: 2MANY on December 01, 2016, 12:41:01 PM
Definitely go with the green floor.
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Post by: huntnphool on December 01, 2016, 03:57:07 PM
Well that puts a damper on a good smart ash remark.
Like others said.
No skinny water.......no pump if going outboard.
4 stroke Yamaha.
Inboards require winterization.
Huntnphool...................Your North River has some bling to it alright.
Sunglasses mandatory!
If going outboard, I second the Yamaha suggestion! :tup:
My engine is basically no different than a car engine, no need for winterization, even though I keep it indoors. When running, the pump pumps water into the heat exchanger to cool the engines coolant, but the engine has a internal water pump that circulates a 50/50 water/antifreeze mixture throughout the engine and into/out of the heat exchanger, just like our trucks. When the engine shuts off, the water drains back out of the heat exchanger and exhaust manifolds. :tup:
Post by: Wacenturion on December 01, 2016, 04:25:43 PM
Post by: Antlershed on December 01, 2016, 05:18:20 PM
When I ordered mine I went with the standard pedestal mount seats to save floor space and weight, I've not regretted it one minute. :twocents:Do you even use that thing? :tung:
You still have not told us where you are wanting to go in your boat, that makes a big difference.
Here is mine...Chehalis, Satsop, Cowlitz, Columbia, lakes, Nootka sound, 14 miles off the WA coast...not much you can't do with a jet (water conditions allowing). Plus, fish dig diamond plate floors. :chuckle:
Post by: huntnphool on December 01, 2016, 09:27:20 PM
When I ordered mine I went with the standard pedestal mount seats to save floor space and weight, I've not regretted it one minute. :twocents:Do you even use that thing? :tung:
You still have not told us where you are wanting to go in your boat, that makes a big difference.
Here is mine...Chehalis, Satsop, Cowlitz, Columbia, lakes, Nootka sound, 14 miles off the WA coast...not much you can't do with a jet (water conditions allowing). Plus, fish dig diamond plate floors. :chuckle:
:chuckle: Actually I've got 380 hours on it now, Puget Sound, Neah Bay, Columbia, Bouy 10, Many Many Lakes, Cowlitz River, Nisqually River, Snake River, Salmon River, Puyallup River, White River, John Day River, Ucluelet, Barklay Sound, Inside Passage, Rivers Inlet..... ;)
I'll second it, "not much you can't do with a jet." :tup:
Post by: Antlershed on December 02, 2016, 06:27:55 AM
:tup:When I ordered mine I went with the standard pedestal mount seats to save floor space and weight, I've not regretted it one minute. :twocents:Do you even use that thing? :tung:
You still have not told us where you are wanting to go in your boat, that makes a big difference.
Here is mine...Chehalis, Satsop, Cowlitz, Columbia, lakes, Nootka sound, 14 miles off the WA coast...not much you can't do with a jet (water conditions allowing). Plus, fish dig diamond plate floors. :chuckle:
:chuckle: Actually I've got 380 hours on it now, Puget Sound, Neah Bay, Columbia, Bouy 10, Many Many Lakes, Cowlitz River, Nisqually River, Snake River, Salmon River, Puyallup River, White River, John Day River, Ucluelet, Barklay Sound, Inside Passage, Rivers Inlet..... ;)
I'll second it, "not much you can't do with a jet." :tup:
Post by: Sakko300wsm on December 02, 2016, 07:47:22 AM
Post by: Lefthook on December 02, 2016, 08:17:58 AM
My inboard jets take me anywhere I would ever need to go in a boat! :brew: :brew:
Sakko300wsm, is your stick steer set up this type?
Post by: drysideshooter on December 02, 2016, 10:01:02 AM
A given motor, with an inboard or an outboard of a set power, won't have and equivalent amount of horsepower from a performance perspective. The rule of thumb used to be a 30%-40% difference, but modern jets are a bit more efficient. Obviously some outboard manufacturers also offer factory jets sold by their horsepower equivalent.
As an example, if you take a 150 horsepower outboard with a prop on it and run it against an identical boat with the same motor with a jet on it, the prop boat will be quicker out of the hole and have more top speed, and burn less fuel at the same speed. Even if the modern jet foot only costs 20% it would perform roughly like a a boat with a 120hp motor.
If you plan to run shallow water, then none of that matters and a jet is probably the best choice.
Something to remember is the intake for a jet is a basically a big vacuum, sucking up water and shooting it out to propel the boat. They can and do pick up rocks and debris. With an inboard that usually means using a jet rake to clear the grate, though some boats have stompers. With an outboard(s) you can tilt the motor up and clean the grates a bit more easily.
Post by: Skillet on December 02, 2016, 10:14:00 AM
Just my $.02
Post by: Sakko300wsm on December 03, 2016, 04:56:30 AM
My inboard jets take me anywhere I would ever need to go in a boat! :brew: :brew:
Sakko300wsm, is your stick steer set up this type?
Nope not like that left hook - that one is the Precision Weld model. Mine is more like all of the idaho styled boats
Post by: MADMAX on December 03, 2016, 05:16:23 AM
my how things have changed
I have owned the following
Bayrunner center console with 40hp evinrude
Campion Fishing machine with 185 4 banger
NW Jet 351 ford and Hamilton jet
Hewes 22ft with offshore bracket and 150 Honda
Duckworth 18ft advantage with 115 Yamaha and 8hp power tilt and trim kicker
I love the Duckworth and the only disadvanatage is NEVER run ethanol fuel
Post by: cohoho on December 03, 2016, 12:36:37 PM
Test ride all of them, run them through crappy water to see what handles best for you.
Post by: SkookumHntr on December 04, 2016, 08:39:55 AM
Post by: Fishstiq on December 04, 2016, 10:13:17 AM
I was just checking out hewes crafts 22ft ocean pro, wow what a boat, they really stepped it up on that boat! Worth checking out just to see it!
I looked at those as well, there's some really great competition in that size boat. Hewes, Duckworth and North River all have some great offerings there. If that's the range of boat anyone is looking at, I couldn't recommend strongly enough to go see all three and climb around on them or hopefully get a ride in them and see what you think.
We decided on the Duckworth 22 Pacific Pro, and I love it. Top notch fit and finish, and it rides better than I could have hoped an aluminum boat that size could. It's IMO more than capable of handling whatever conditions I would want to in the sound and out to Neah Bay, but still small enough for trout fishing and such.
I don't think you can make a bad choice between the 3 manufacturers, it just depends on what features are important to you.
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Post by: Mark Brenckle on December 04, 2016, 11:24:13 AM
Post by: Fishstiq on December 04, 2016, 01:12:04 PM
Wow, that's a pretty boat - neighbor... :chuckle:
Thank you! ...and very subtle btw :tup: :chuckle:
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Post by: lokidog on December 21, 2016, 11:02:36 PM
He only lets special people drive the boat. At least, he said i was special in my own way. Is that a pinecone?
I'm still waiting for my ride..... :chuckle:
Post by: sm284 on December 23, 2016, 12:05:15 PM