Hunting Washington Forum
Equipment & Gear => Archery Gear => Topic started by: bearbait on April 07, 2007, 08:11:00 PM
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O.K. What's your favorite broadhead? :dunno:
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Wac Em's are my personal favorite, replacable blades and fly like darts.
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100 gr. Thunderheads. I've used them for many years and on many critters have yet to have a problem with them.
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I use Satellite 125's with the compound, and Magnus stinger two blades with the trad bow.
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Do you use different ones for different game such as for deer or turkey etc. Edges sharpeded, some say one edge sharpened broadhead will penetrate through bone better by splitting the bone vs. both edges sharpened. I have to do some field work on that to see what I come up with.
For Deer I use Lightning 4 Broadheads 11/32" & Lightning 4 Ripper's for Turkey, I would guess no one uses these yet.
See you sept.
Regards, Bill
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I don't. Moose, deer, turkeys, they all die the same. As for sharpness. I want both edges perfectly sharp. Big game like elk and moose, if you hit bone, other than a rib, you're screwed and I just don't think it will matter.
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I shoot SlickTricks :tup: :tup: :tup:They have performed well for me. I am going to try the Wac'ems one of these days.
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Lightning 4 Ripper
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It is unlawful to hunt with a broadhead blade unless the broadhead is unbarbed and completely closed to the back end of the blade or blades by a smooth, unbroken surface starting at maximum blade width forming a smooth line toward the feather end of the shaft and such line does not angle toward the point.
I might be reading the regs wrong, but that broadhead doesn't seem to be in compliance....If I am wrong please correct me
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Its all about the trailing edge of a broadhead that the law is made for. The shoulder of the blades are closed and would not hamper an animal from pulling the arrow out of a wound if it wasn't a kill shot. And the notches would act the same. (thats if someone would use this on large game, I wouldn't)
The notches cut the other way are to slow down penetration which would make it hit harder on small game like turkey.
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I wasn't sure. I would hate to hear of you getting a ticket or something. Did't mean to put you on the spot....no harm ment. :bash: :P
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I was thinking, there is no way that I would want to use that on big game as it would slow penetration. I'm glad my thought process was accurate. Sure would kill a turkey.
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choclab.....I didn't take your responce as neg. 8) I like input in any form. I just starting out making Broadheads and I have a few ideas that I think will make some good working heads. Some guy's here in Michigan like a heavy two blade broadhead. so I'm working on another die for that to cut a .050" bld. and another one with just a bleeder bld. added to the main bld.(100gr.) I also make the head shown without the notches at 118gr. in almost 8 in. of bld. cutting that really opens up a hole.
Do you guy's get alot of long shots out there, where speed is a good thing. Most of my shooting here is up to 30 yds. but more at 15yds
Thanks, Bill
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Pacyew set me up with two blade broad head arrows for my Thunderbird Recurve that are considered heavy by some standards. But like I told Jay, I like big bore guns with a heavy slug, so heavy arrows are a plus with me because they have lots of momentum on a short shot to go through bone, cartilage, organs, etc.
I shot a deer in 2005, farther than I wanted to (27 yards), where the arrow described above entered the left side slicing ribs, lung(s), diaphragm, and blew through the scapula and hide on the right side. All that damage with a 55 pound recurve.
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mibowman, I Elk and Deer hunt in different areas but the shots on Elk avg. 30 yds and Deer around 40. I have better luck getting close to the Elk than the Deer. Last years muley was 53 yds broadside and dead calm one of the longer shots I have taken but I was very confident and the buck never new I was there. I only shoot 100 grain heads but they fly great and I have had no recovery problems. I am shooting 268 fps with a total weight of 421 gr behind a 29 inch draw and 70 lbs.
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Not one for statistics, and eventhough my arrows seem to be tuned and shooting well, my bowyer thinks my set-up is to light for my Trad bow @85 pounds. He is afraid that it is like dry firing it. I need to do some investigating. I'd hate to mess with a good thing, but don't want to damage my bow either.
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Here's a link that should help get you started trying some different setups. Point weight makes a difference and should be picked first than the arrow shaft. I'm in the process of trying a 575 gr. wood arrow with a 119 gr. Lightning 4 Broadhead. I'm shooting a Bear take down A handle 67# also the 109 gr. Lightning Ripper I hope shoots well for May's turkey season.
http://www.huntingnet.com/staticpages/staticpage_detail.aspx?id=15
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Thanks!
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I am shocked that nobody has mentioned Muzzy broadheads. I have shot them for 15 years. They perform well for me. Very tough heads.
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Any well constructed 125-175 grain two blade cut-on-contact head..sharpened well, has always worked for me.
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I like the mangus stingers or any other cut on contact broadheads
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I think there is a story brewing on that one.
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I bought those new Cabelas fx-3 ...... THEY ARE JUNK.............Stay away.I shot 2 arrows into my hay bales and the tip came off with the blades into the hay bale on each shot.Went to sportsmans warehouse and got muzzy 100 ..Man those things are rock solid there no way the tip will come out or the blades.........
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I shoot satellite for my compound, but am thinking about trying the Montec G5s that Cameron likes so well. The magnus stingers shoot well out of my traditional bow, I should try them on my compound but haven't gotten around to it. They seem to take alot of tuning and don't fly much like target points. I think that is one advantage of the Muzzy.
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Bone, Id look at slick tricks don't know how they will work for a low KE set up but they fly better than anything else on the market (exactly like field points swear to god) 4 blades and are super tuff. about 24 bucks a pack too.
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I have been a thunder head guy for years, but I just switched to the montec5, I like the one solid piece construction, and they fly perfect out of my mathews. I just read a broadhead report in Eastmans bowhunting that listed them at the top. they are a bit spendy $32 for 3 but will give them a try this year and see how they do.
Rodger.
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I switched to the Sonic 125gr cut on contact replaceable blade broadhead 2 years ago and have dumped several animals with them. Fly incredibly well and although I have yet to hit any heavy bone, other than the thin part of shoulder blade and ribs, they seem to hold up very well as well. They are the only broadhead I have ever tried that flew precisely to the POI of my field tips as soon as they were screwed on the arrow. I shot thunderheads for years, and shot satellites and muzzy's in the past and although they all flew well and I could get them to tune well, the Sonics were spot on the minute I screwed them onto an arrow.
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Hows your friend going to hunt his moose....bow or rifle?
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Bone, I'm currently trying to get him to pack his bow, but not too sure I'll talk him into it. But I'd sure like to see him do it. I thought about telling him I'd pack his rifle for him if things got hinky and a good bull hung up then he could shoot with his rifle, but I'm not sure what the F&G boys would think about that if they saw us walking through the woods, unless he was packing his own rifle. Opening week there is no season open to justify me packing a rifle. I'm not sure how he is going to go with this, he is a good bow shot, and certainly capable of it. But with a OIL tag, I think he wants make sure he can get r done when he see's a big bull, and he will be just as excited either way.
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not sure if i should say it out loud, as cool as it sounds, as much as an accomplishment and as big a challenge it would be, but i think i'd feel the same way as your buddy.
call me a sissy.
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Thats actually why I bought the eberstock pack for when I was in Alaska hunting moose. I felt a little naked with 2,000 pound brown bears running around me with my stick bow. I felt much more confident with it when I ran into that sow and cubs and she charged me a couple times, with a hair trigger 180 grain ready to send her direction if she ever decided to come through with any of her threats. You will see alot more moose being taken with a bow as it becomes more popular, and as calling catches on.
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if given the opportunity, i'd do it with the bow...it would just take someone to kick me in the arse to get it done. and a whole lot more learning/practicing i guess.
and yes...if i was where you were, myself and my hunting buddys would be accompanied by mr. 180 grain.
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Jack and Bone, if I were hunting AK with my bow for bears, I would certainly be packing my Ruger Aksakan in 454casull on my hip, don't blame you a bit for having Mr 18ogr with you bone when you were there. I'll probably be packing that pistol while on my buddies Moose hunt here in WA. as well, as I hate walking around in the woods feeling nekkid :chuckle: I am simply hoping he takes a good Shiras that he will be very happy with, if he chooses to go with a rifle only, than I will still be very happy with a hind quarter strapped to my back as we head for camp and a cold one!
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I shoot the Modoc Warrior in 125gr. They are probably one of the most accurate broadheads I have ever shot. I used to shoot Thunderheads and loved them. Thes beat them hands down. I found this link about them. The guy was shooting at 190gr weight.
http://www.huntingforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6331
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I'll have to check them out Shadow.
No matter what he shoots it with Goldtip, it will be a trophy of a lifetime. Just fair warning, that moose hunting is an addictive hobby. That Washington moose of mine has cost me alot of money so far. ;)
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Bone, it was already getting expensive before he drew the tag! The two of us have an upcoming hunt in 2008 for Moose North of Grand Prairie, AB which we have been paying for already! I suppose having a little more experience and my own Moose call may be helpful however when we head up there next fall.
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I thought about telling him I'd pack his rifle for him if things got hinky and a good bull hung up then he could shoot with his rifle, but I'm not sure what the F&G boys would think about that if they saw us walking through the woods, unless he was packing his own rifle. Opening week there is no season open to justify me packing a rifle.
What state? Washington should have a bear season open at that time. It is unfortunate that we have to feel uncomfortable in a situation like this. As long as it is not loaded while you are carrying it I would think you should be fine, but I don't write the tickets.
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Heck, I never thought about bears Billy, I have a bear tag and may get a chance at a bear while Moose hunting. Thanks for the heads up.
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There are a frickin ton of bears in the Huckleberry too. Mostly blackies, but some dandies.
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I like the Tightpoint Shuttle T locks. AWESOME, harvested 3 animals last year and they work and fly great :chuckle:
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I shoot Slick Tricks. I've used Muzzy, Thunderheads, expandables (out of state), Satellite, American/buckmasters, etc. I know for a fact they all kill animals just fine. However, the Slick Tricks are the only broadheads I have ever used besides expandables that hit exactly where my field points do. The type of broadhead is overrated in my book, kind of like what cartridge is best... Just put a sharp broadhead or bullet in the kill zone, no matter what type of bow, gun, or cartridge is powering it, and it will kill.
The guys over at The Nock Point have set me up a few years ago. This is one setup I won't change for a long while: carbon arrow, slick tricks, and 4 short Blazer vanes. Plus, it's nice to have a field point or two in your quiver that is sighted in that you can shoot a grouse or stump shoot. I'm not into tinkering with bow setups. I want to screw them in, and go hunting. I'm not into practicing archery every day and tuning the broadheads like I use to have to do. I got a family and other things I like to do these days. The simplicity and effectiveness of this setup works for me.
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I was gratiously given some nice bear broadheads. They look something like this below. I removed the bleeder blades. Will see if I can get a chance to field test them this year.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cabelas.com%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Fcontent%2FItem%2F41%2F06%2F96%2Fi410696sn01.jpg&hash=41985c855d043b13e9de4df4f138c7a5615f9f6c)
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I use three different types of mechanical broadheads, which are legal here in maryland. I use eastman 3 blade 100 grain, also allen three blade, and NAP Spitfires. The first year I bow hunted here in Maryland I shot a doe at 8 yards with 100 grian three blade muzzy and there was no blood and the arrow wnet about 8 inches and I never found that doe, I looked for 2 days bu never found her, the next day I went and bought some mechanicals and I have never lost a deer with them. To bad they are not legal to use in Washington state.
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http://www.germankineticsusa.com/
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I also use Wac'Em's.
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Montec G5's.....Love the way they shoot :). Hate the cost :(
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bunker busters do the job for me
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http://www.spintite.com/ cool concept on these buggers.
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I also use Wac'Em's.
I use Wac'Ems also.
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Ive been a Thunderhead junkie, but am considering switching to Montec G5 or NAP HelllRazor. I also like the concept of the Crimson Talon xt just trying to figure out if its legal-i cant find a good pic of them to tell.
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Looked at their site? Thought they had a big pic on there..........
I am wondering if they will really provide good penetration though. The force of the spin imparted by the blades will be almost immediatley lost on impact and without the force or drive to continue the spin, I do not see how they will drive into the animal too far. I amy be wrong completely, but I do not understand the science too well either.
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yea that thought crossed my mind as well, i like the idea of the nice blood trail it should leave "in theory". ill prbly stick with the good ole Thunderheads or switch to G5 Montecs
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I shoot the muzzy 100 grain. They fly really well for me.
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Better match your fletching twist to the Crimson Talon. They will screw right off your arrow if you don't have them super tight and use a RH helical. Personally I tried them only into targets and they constantly broke and were a POS IMO. I know one person who killed a couple deer with them. Never had full penatration let alone a pass through but deer died. Don't buy into the hype and advertising go with a traditional design.
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For the one piece broadheads like Montec G5, are you guys practicing with one set and then changing to a brand new set for hunting? Would replaceable blades like the Montec Strikers be easier and cheaper to shoot up for practice, then just put new blades on? Haven't bought any broadheads yet for my new first bow and only been using field points so far, so still trying to decide on first set of broadheads.
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Did you get the Firecat from the Nock point? Let me know when you will be going there and maybe we can meet up.
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I love the montec by G5 outdoors. Best broadhead I have used hands down! I personally, buy a 3 pack of the "real blades" for target practice, not the "pre-season blades" they offer for target shooting. This being because I wasnt to practice exactly with what I will be hunting with. Then I will buy a dozen or so broadheads for hunting and devote the one 3 pack to target shooting.
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i shoot a recurve bow so im kinda limited. i shot heavier heads. howard hill 3-1's..sabretooth's, and zwickey's have all worked well with me. am seriously wanting to get a wheel bow however.
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shuttle "T" locks. they worked great and were devistatng on my elk this year. They are tough and fairly low profile. :rockin: :rockin: :rockin: :rockin:
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Just bought a pack of Wac 'Em 100gr Triton broadheads. Shot them into my block target at 20 yards and they hit right with my feild points, but at 30, they hit high? After about 5 shots, one of the blades broke for no apparent reason >:(
Spend $30 for heads only to have one blade break within minutes? I have checked and rechecked, but do not see anythng in the target or hay bale behind it that would have caused this........
Should have got the Tricks or Montecs...........
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Shuttle t locks fur sure.. 43 yards bull took three steps and colapsed...Dead...Plus they are accurate a hell...
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All I can say is Slick Tricks DeKuma...
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slick tricks and RM premier 100's. I love them both, both give me great blood trails! the only difference between the two is the price.
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Dekuma - sorry I haven't check this post in a while. To answer your [long ago] question, yes I did get the Firecat at Nock Point and LOVE it!
I have to agree with Pope and others on the Slicktricks. Just shot the Montec G5's, Shuttle T's and Slicktricks tonight at the Nock Point. G5's and Shuttle T's were off the mark by several inches and would have needed "tuning". The Slicks were DEAD-ON right outta the box and onto my arrows. I got a pack of the 125 gr Slicktricks and now shoot a total arrow weight of around 445 gr.
I'd like to try one of the Monday evening 3-D shoots at the Machias range (north of Lk Stevens) some time. I guess they run every Mon from 5 pm til dusk for $7 per shooter.
It'd be cool to meet a few local guys from here sometime.
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If the shuttle t's were off the mark, check your shafts.. I've had about 5 friends switch to them and they all shot the same as field points.. I did have some drift on me last year when I was shooting Those PSE arrows,, .oo3 sraightness they claim..I had two dozen, only had about ten I could use with broadheads..Sold em on ebay as soon as I could..Went back to easton's..
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Muzzy. I have seen them do some amazing things
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hellrazor, killer of a broad head.
and cool name too.
