Post by: haugenna on December 02, 2016, 08:37:48 AM
Can't say I have ever been in a Levi store
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 02, 2016, 08:44:02 AM
I expect the backlash from country folks on this policy will be swift and effective.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 02, 2016, 09:21:53 AM
Post by: hoytem on December 02, 2016, 09:48:25 AM
Post by: Huntin Hounds on December 02, 2016, 09:59:42 AM
Post by: Happy Gilmore on December 02, 2016, 10:11:25 AM
Gun owners who think they should have a right to carry in a private business or residence are about the same as those who feel the lady who makes cakes should be required to cater a gay wedding which goes against her religious feelings or, people who wont shop at a chain store because it sells Ivanka Trumps shoes.
It's a state of mind everyone is in right now. Everyone thinks they are entitled to do whatever they want without regard for anything or respecting any ownership.
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 02, 2016, 10:21:02 AM
My opinion is that if you own a business you should be free to run it the way you want to run it. You own it, you make the rules.
Gun owners who think they should have a right to carry in a private business or residence are about the same as those who feel the lady who makes cakes should be required to cater a gay wedding which goes against her religious feelings or, people who wont shop at a chain store because it sells Ivanka Trumps shoes.
It's a state of mind everyone is in right now. Everyone thinks they are entitled to do whatever they want without regard for anything or respecting any ownership.
All due respects but I call BS on your post. This has nothing to do with "peoples' state of mind right now" or entitlement. They have a right to run their store they way they want and I have a right to withhold my business if I feel their business practices suck or, as in this case, serve to leave me vulnerable. I don't go to theaters for the same reason. It's called capitalism, not entitlement.
Post by: Rob on December 02, 2016, 10:25:06 AM
Post by: 2MANY on December 02, 2016, 10:35:43 AM
Post by: haugenna on December 02, 2016, 11:54:34 AM
My opinion is that if you own a business you should be free to run it the way you want to run it. You own it, you make the rules.
Gun owners who think they should have a right to carry in a private business or residence are about the same as those who feel the lady who makes cakes should be required to cater a gay wedding which goes against her religious feelings or, people who wont shop at a chain store because it sells Ivanka Trumps shoes.
It's a state of mind everyone is in right now. Everyone thinks they are entitled to do whatever they want without regard for anything or respecting any ownership.
So the constitution is entitlement?
It is the company's right to have this policy but I also have the right to avoid business with said company. It has nothing to do with entitlement.
It blows my mind that companies decide to get political and alienate their customer base. There is no upside to a company getting involved in a controversial subject like this. I will use Delta Airlines as an example when the famous Cecil the Lion was legally shot by a hunter.
Post by: Special T on December 02, 2016, 12:39:23 PM
That doesn't mean I have to buy thier product or reinforce thier view. Additionally I find it my duty to tell people to avoid companies like this whenever possible.
Post by: Happy Gilmore on December 02, 2016, 01:58:12 PM
Levis has every right to make whatever policies they wish. I have every right to not spend a dime on their products.
Exactly. The point is that people push the line and make an issue of it and don't respect each other. And yes, don't support their business if you can't walk into their store without your sidearm.
I think government far over reaches when they tell a business how to operate and who they must serve. It is a dicey line when it comes to civil rights but again, why not be happy to support someone mre like minded with your cash?
The florist who didn't want to do the gay wedding was just in the supreme court.
Post by: Happy Gilmore on December 02, 2016, 01:59:30 PM
Post by: Happy Gilmore on December 02, 2016, 02:02:45 PM
My opinion is that if you own a business you should be free to run it the way you want to run it. You own it, you make the rules.
Gun owners who think they should have a right to carry in a private business or residence are about the same as those who feel the lady who makes cakes should be required to cater a gay wedding which goes against her religious feelings or, people who wont shop at a chain store because it sells Ivanka Trumps shoes.
It's a state of mind everyone is in right now. Everyone thinks they are entitled to do whatever they want without regard for anything or respecting any ownership.
All due respects but I call BS on your post. This has nothing to do with "peoples' state of mind right now" or entitlement. They have a right to run their store they way they want and I have a right to withhold my business if I feel their business practices suck or, as in this case, serve to leave me vulnerable. I don't go to theaters for the same reason. It's called capitalism, not entitlement.
You don't go into theaters why? Do they search for guns now? Haven't been in a while.
Post by: Bean Counter on December 02, 2016, 02:04:35 PM
My opinion is that if you own a business you should be free to run it the way you want to run it. You own it, you make the rules.
Gun owners who think they should have a right to carry in a private business or residence are about the same as those who feel the lady who makes cakes should be required to cater a gay wedding which goes against her religious feelings or, people who wont shop at a chain store because it sells Ivanka Trumps shoes.
It's a state of mind everyone is in right now. Everyone thinks they are entitled to do whatever they want without regard for anything or respecting any ownership.
All due respects but I call BS on your post. This has nothing to do with "peoples' state of mind right now" or entitlement. They have a right to run their store they way they want and I have a right to withhold my business if I feel their business practices suck or, as in this case, serve to leave me vulnerable. I don't go to theaters for the same reason. It's called capitalism, not entitlement.
You don't go into theaters why? Do they search for guns now? Haven't been in a while.
I took my wife to a concert lately, and carried TWO guns in right past their "No Guns Allowed" sign. :)
Post by: Special T on December 02, 2016, 02:06:21 PM
I thought a straight arrow like you weren't into civil disobediance! ;)My opinion is that if you own a business you should be free to run it the way you want to run it. You own it, you make the rules.
Gun owners who think they should have a right to carry in a private business or residence are about the same as those who feel the lady who makes cakes should be required to cater a gay wedding which goes against her religious feelings or, people who wont shop at a chain store because it sells Ivanka Trumps shoes.
It's a state of mind everyone is in right now. Everyone thinks they are entitled to do whatever they want without regard for anything or respecting any ownership.
All due respects but I call BS on your post. This has nothing to do with "peoples' state of mind right now" or entitlement. They have a right to run their store they way they want and I have a right to withhold my business if I feel their business practices suck or, as in this case, serve to leave me vulnerable. I don't go to theaters for the same reason. It's called capitalism, not entitlement.
You don't go into theaters why? Do they search for guns now? Haven't been in a while.
I took my wife to a concert lately, and carried TWO guns in right past their "No Guns Allowed" sign. :)
Post by: Bean Counter on December 02, 2016, 02:06:35 PM
My opinion is that if you own a business you should be free to run it the way you want to run it. You own it, you make the rules.
Gun owners who think they should have a right to carry in a private business or residence are about the same as those who feel the lady who makes cakes should be required to cater a gay wedding which goes against her religious feelings or, people who wont shop at a chain store because it sells Ivanka Trumps shoes.
It's a state of mind everyone is in right now. Everyone thinks they are entitled to do whatever they want without regard for anything or respecting any ownership.
So the constitution is entitlement?
It is the company's right to have this policy but I also have the right to avoid business with said company. It has nothing to do with entitlement.
It blows my mind that companies decide to get political and alienate their customer base. There is no upside to a company getting involved in a controversial subject like this. I will use Delta Airlines as an example when the famous Cecil the Lion was legally shot by a hunter.
The Constitution is a restraint on government, it is not a restraint on individual actors.
Post by: Bean Counter on December 02, 2016, 02:09:14 PM
I thought a straight arrow like you weren't into civil disobediance! ;)
The way I understand civil disobedience would mean to carry a gun into a place where its illegal to do so, such as a national park ( a few years ago)... :rolleyes:
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 02, 2016, 02:49:57 PM
My opinion is that if you own a business you should be free to run it the way you want to run it. You own it, you make the rules.
Gun owners who think they should have a right to carry in a private business or residence are about the same as those who feel the lady who makes cakes should be required to cater a gay wedding which goes against her religious feelings or, people who wont shop at a chain store because it sells Ivanka Trumps shoes.
It's a state of mind everyone is in right now. Everyone thinks they are entitled to do whatever they want without regard for anything or respecting any ownership.
All due respects but I call BS on your post. This has nothing to do with "peoples' state of mind right now" or entitlement. They have a right to run their store they way they want and I have a right to withhold my business if I feel their business practices suck or, as in this case, serve to leave me vulnerable. I don't go to theaters for the same reason. It's called capitalism, not entitlement.
You don't go into theaters why? Do they search for guns now? Haven't been in a while.
I don't know if they search or not and don't care to find out. Just the fact that they create a safe space that could attract wackos is enough for me to stay away. I'm not a fan of gun free zones. They make people unsafe.
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 02, 2016, 02:56:19 PM
Levis has every right to make whatever policies they wish. I have every right to not spend a dime on their products.
Exactly. The point is that people push the line and make an issue of it and don't respect each other. And yes, don't support their business if you can't walk into their store without your sidearm.
I think government far over reaches when they tell a business how to operate and who they must serve. It is a dicey line when it comes to civil rights but again, why not be happy to support someone mre like minded with your cash?
The florist who didn't want to do the gay wedding was just in the supreme court.
No, that's not what happened at the Levi Store. There was an errant discharge of a firearm. It resulted in an injury to the carrier. This wasn't about people pushing the line and carrying all over the place. And, Rob made the exact same point I made. They have a right to run their stores the way they want and I have a right to not buy their crap. Capitalism.
"Recently, we had an incident in one of our stores where a gun inadvertently went off, injuring the customer who was carrying it."
Post by: hookr88 on December 02, 2016, 03:04:11 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 02, 2016, 03:15:13 PM
Post by: KFhunter on December 02, 2016, 03:22:42 PM
I won't go to a Seahawks game either.
Post by: ghosthunter on December 02, 2016, 03:31:49 PM
I won't leave my gun in the car so I can walk into an establishment that wants to sell me stuff. simple.
I won't go to a Seahawks game either.
:yeah:
Post by: SniperDanWA on December 02, 2016, 05:13:29 PM
Post by: csaaphill on December 03, 2016, 01:40:49 AM
Or he Thanks but no thanks I feel safer carrying thank you.
Post by: chukarchaser on December 07, 2016, 09:57:37 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 15, 2016, 05:39:20 AM
Nowadays only illegal aliens wear Levis anyway.
.....that's because they're made there, silly !