Post by: Duckslayer89 on December 09, 2016, 06:31:00 PM
I've never lapped a scope before btw. Was just looking at a wheeler scope mounting kit and a Tipton best gun vise to start
Post by: fliesitdies on December 09, 2016, 06:38:29 PM
Thanks for any info on this subject.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 09, 2016, 06:38:48 PM
Post by: Duckslayer89 on December 09, 2016, 07:02:40 PM
Tag for more info on this. Also what kind of rings and mounts do you guys recommend for a hunting rifle ? Like Leupold, Talley, Dnz, Picatinny or ?
Thanks for any info on this subject.
I have the talley lightweight rings for my Kimber and they grab the scope like crazy when you start tightening them even just a little bit. Never have to adjust the scope with them it stays on point, but for longer range i want to make sure my scope is level with my gun
Post by: Ridge Hunter on December 09, 2016, 07:06:44 PM
Post by: bobcat on December 09, 2016, 07:16:08 PM
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?action=profile;u=20106
He's in Algona so pretty close to you.
His website:
https://cardinalguns.com/services/
Post by: fliesitdies on December 09, 2016, 07:21:32 PM
Thanks for the info
Post by: Duckslayer89 on December 09, 2016, 07:22:50 PM
I have the exact mounting kit and gun vise you are looking at, they will work just fine for the amount you will use them. I like Talley rings as they are one piece with less to fail, they are also light.
Did you use the lapping kit of just call it good with how they come? In your opinion do the talley rings need to be lapped even? How do the levels work with the gun? I think I torqued my scope rings down to tight last time but I'm not sure really. I felt it kind of give a little at the end of torquing and i was wondering if I might have stripped the aluminum because the screws are steel. Might just buy new ones
Post by: Bob33 on December 09, 2016, 07:23:17 PM
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Wheeler-reg-Torque-Fat-Wrench/731992.uts (http://www.cabelas.com/product/Wheeler-reg-Torque-Fat-Wrench/731992.uts)
You can tighten screws to the proper torque setting without stripping them from overtightening. When set to the proper tightness I have never had a screw work loose.
Post by: Duckslayer89 on December 09, 2016, 07:24:11 PM
Try hunt-wa member "3584ELK"
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?action=profile;u=20106
He's in Algona so pretty close to you.
His website:
https://cardinalguns.com/services/
Thanks for the info!
Post by: Duckslayer89 on December 09, 2016, 07:25:08 PM
I recommend getting a tool like this:
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Wheeler-reg-Torque-Fat-Wrench/731992.uts (http://www.cabelas.com/product/Wheeler-reg-Torque-Fat-Wrench/731992.uts)
You can tighten screws to the proper torque setting without stripping them from overtightening. When set to the proper tightness I have never had a screw work loose.
That exact wrench is in the kit I was looking at! What do you set the torque to on scope rings usually?
Post by: bobcat on December 09, 2016, 07:28:08 PM
Post by: Bob33 on December 09, 2016, 07:30:47 PM
Bobcat is right; each company is a little different but usually around 18 to 25 pounds. It's a nice feeling to know you will tighten them correctly, but not overtighten them. I stripped quite a few screws before getting it.I recommend getting a tool like this:
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Wheeler-reg-Torque-Fat-Wrench/731992.uts (http://www.cabelas.com/product/Wheeler-reg-Torque-Fat-Wrench/731992.uts)
You can tighten screws to the proper torque setting without stripping them from overtightening. When set to the proper tightness I have never had a screw work loose.
That exact wrench is in the kit I was looking at! What do you set the torque to on scope rings usually?
Here's an example. Warne recommends 25 pounds.
http://warnescopemounts.com/do-i-need-threadlocker/ (http://warnescopemounts.com/do-i-need-threadlocker/)
Post by: cooltimber on December 09, 2016, 07:38:28 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on December 09, 2016, 07:48:12 PM
Post by: grundy53 on December 09, 2016, 07:53:24 PM
I recommend getting a tool like this::yeah: not too mention you can damage your scope tube and effect accuracy by over torquing.
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Wheeler-reg-Torque-Fat-Wrench/731992.uts (http://www.cabelas.com/product/Wheeler-reg-Torque-Fat-Wrench/731992.uts)
You can tighten screws to the proper torque setting without stripping them from overtightening. When set to the proper tightness I have never had a screw work loose.
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Post by: Encore 280 on December 09, 2016, 08:48:20 PM
Post by: Duckslayer89 on December 09, 2016, 09:13:01 PM
Post by: Eric M on December 09, 2016, 09:23:30 PM
Post by: thinkingman on December 09, 2016, 10:10:40 PM
I love mine.
Post by: Reidus on December 09, 2016, 11:31:51 PM
Post by: dreadi on December 10, 2016, 12:17:06 AM
I want to remount my scope using correct specs on torque for all scope rings and also make sure my gun is level and scope is level. I'm pretty sure I have it dang close but not perfect. Either I want to buy a gun vise and level kit or have a really good gun smith do it. Any suggestions would be appreciated.How accurate is your current setup?
I've never lapped a scope before btw. Was just looking at a wheeler scope mounting kit and a Tipton best gun vise to start
Post by: Duckslayer89 on December 10, 2016, 12:43:24 AM
I want to remount my scope using correct specs on torque for all scope rings and also make sure my gun is level and scope is level. I'm pretty sure I have it dang close but not perfect. Either I want to buy a gun vise and level kit or have a really good gun smith do it. Any suggestions would be appreciated.How accurate is your current setup?
I've never lapped a scope before btw. Was just looking at a wheeler scope mounting kit and a Tipton best gun vise to start
Pretty damn accurate but I never shoot past 100 yards really but i hit bullseye on target which is probably 1.5x1.5 inch. Just want to start shooting out at 300 and stuff and know how any little thing can make the bullet hit left and right if the scope is tilted. Idk though talked to a gun smith guy earlier he said sounds fine as it is.
My range I go to only goes out to 125 yards.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 10, 2016, 05:57:33 AM
Post by: Wacenturion on December 10, 2016, 08:25:33 AM
Deadnutz one piece mounts do not require lapping.
I love mine.
Exactly....that's all I use except for a couple period correct mountings on older rifles. Try them, you'll like em. :tup:
Post by: Duckslayer89 on December 14, 2016, 01:38:06 AM
Deadnutz one piece mounts do not require lapping.
I love mine.
Exactly....that's all I use except for a couple period correct mountings on older rifles. Try them, you'll like em. :tup:
I found some for Kimber 84m. You think they are better then the talley lightweights? I like the idea of a one piece. Less room for error. I really want to get my gun perfectly level with perfectly level scope and see what it will do finally. Eye balled the lAst time I mounted it.
Post by: cardinalguns on December 14, 2016, 10:43:16 AM
Lapping rings on a quality made varmint or benchrest rifle may pay dividends, albeit tiny.
When you have a rig made for killing an animal with a 10" vital zone, trying to eke out .2" in group size (IF you are a good enough shooter to scientifically measure it) is just silly.
If your hunting rig is throwing patterns rather than groups, there are numerous other items to try resolving that will make a difference (barrel bedding, muzzle crowning, action bedding, etc.)
Post by: Reidus on December 14, 2016, 01:01:48 PM
You can't assume brand x of rings doesnt need lapped. They are mounted on the rifle which more so determines if they need lapped. You can have a perfect set of rings and mount them on a rifle with a not so perfect action. they may need lapped. If you dont lap or check ring alignment, you're probably putting stress on the scope and action. Stress isnt good. You also run the risk of ring marks on your socpe. With lapped rings you're also less likely to have tracking problems.
rings aren't always a perfect fit to the action/base so when you tighten them down in can bring the rings out of round.
I always epoxy my bases down, use blue loctite and lap. One less thing to worry about.
Post by: Kenaiwild on December 14, 2016, 02:42:16 PM
Post by: thinkingman on December 14, 2016, 06:48:37 PM
If I had a R700, I'd definitely lap.
No telling how screwed up the mounting holes might be.
Post by: jay.sharkbait on December 14, 2016, 06:55:21 PM
Post by: Kenaiwild on December 14, 2016, 08:16:05 PM
Post by: Reidus on December 14, 2016, 09:00:38 PM
IMHO, lapping is more about reducing or eliminating stresses in the scope that lead to failure, rather than accuracy gains.:yeah:
If I had a R700, I'd definitely lap.
No telling how screwed up the mounting holes might be.
Post by: Reidus on December 14, 2016, 09:04:21 PM
I have been using a quality one piece base instead.
That probably helps but it still does not mean your rings will be aligned.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 14, 2016, 09:15:06 PM