Post by: police women of America on December 11, 2016, 10:25:40 AM
And here's the link to the Moscow Hide and Fur: http://www.furbuyer.com/
This site buys more quality deer hides (ones without multiple holes, nice fur, etc.), but they probably pay a little more then your local buyer.
Post by: JDHasty on December 11, 2016, 12:37:09 PM
One if the little terrorists left their bobcat at the side of my bed the other night and when I stood up a claw about cut my toe in half though, so this is not without risk.
My deer hides are always free from knife damage and I generally get a deer or two done every year. It is not uncommon for some visitor, even long time hunters, to have never actually handled a hair on deer hide. They are durable and warm, not the softest hair, but not bad. About as fast as I get new ones tanned we seem to allow some visitor to go home with one.
Centralia Fur & Hide can also make raw hide that can be used by the kids to make drums. Buckskin can be made in a variety of colors.
I really detest waste myself and try to make use of every part of any animal I take.
Post by: fishnfur on December 11, 2016, 06:28:56 PM
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Post by: Igottanewknee on December 11, 2016, 07:00:16 PM
Post by: police women of America on December 11, 2016, 09:41:47 PM
It is not uncommon for visitors to our house to see one or more Hasty chillins buried in a pile of deer, beaver, coyote, bobcat, raccoon etc:chuckle: that must have hurt. I really like the idea of sending visitors home with hides! I'm definitely going to do that in the future.
One if the little terrorists left their bobcat at the side of my bed the other night and when I stood up a claw about cut my toe in half though, so this is not without risk.
My deer hides are always free from knife damage and I generally get a deer or two done every year. It is not uncommon for some visitor, even long time hunters, to have never actually handled a hair on deer hide. They are durable and warm, not the softest hair, but not bad. About as fast as I get new ones tanned we seem to allow some visitor to go home with one.
Centralia Fur & Hide can also make raw hide that can be used by the kids to make drums. Buckskin can be made in a variety of colors.
I really detest waste myself and try to make use of every part of any animal I take.
Post by: police women of America on December 11, 2016, 09:43:38 PM
You can tie up about a billion of these with one hide:Definitely! You could even sell half of them too.
Post by: h2ofowlr on December 11, 2016, 09:56:26 PM
Post by: police women of America on December 11, 2016, 10:55:28 PM
I have never saved one. Not interested in having them tanned and have no use for them unfortunately. There are no orange barrels collecting them where I am to make gloves, etc. It is what it is. I hunt for the meat, as I love venison. Not a trophy hunter unless it's waterfowl.You can EARN money by giving them to local taxidermists. Throwing away hides is just as bad as leaving behind backstrips in my book. It's just.... Such a waste.
All you have to do is drop them off or ship them to Moscow Hide and Fur (Although Moscow requires that you flesh the hides). I know it's not the most convenient process, but as a hunter isn't it worth knowing that it doesn't go to waste?
In the future when I'm an adult I want to try to make it easier for hunters to give away there hides without going through this process.
Post by: Buzz2401 on December 12, 2016, 12:29:56 AM
Post by: JDHasty on December 12, 2016, 05:54:38 AM
Post by: Jpmiller on December 12, 2016, 06:43:45 AM
It's a pretty easy process to tan if you have the desire but an improperly cared for hide requires alot of sewing and there's nothing better than tanning it only to find out it was older than you thought and never cared for and having the hair fall out.
Good idea though, I try to keep all my hides
Post by: grundy53 on December 12, 2016, 07:40:00 AM
I have never saved one. Not interested in having them tanned and have no use for them unfortunately. There are no orange barrels collecting them where I am to make gloves, etc. It is what it is. I hunt for the meat, as I love venison. Not a trophy hunter unless it's waterfowl.You can EARN money by giving them to local taxidermists. Throwing away hides is just as bad as leaving behind backstrips in my book. It's just.... Such a waste.
All you have to do is drop them off or ship them to Moscow Hide and Fur (Although Moscow requires that you flesh the hides). I know it's not the most convenient process, but as a hunter isn't it worth knowing that it doesn't go to waste?
In the future when I'm an adult I want to try to make it easier for hunters to give away there hides without going through this process.
I think as you get older and more experienced you will learn how impractical this is for many reasons. A couple main ones are that unless you are hunting from home it can be a pain in the rear to keep a hide for any length of time with out it going bad. Another reason is that it is a pain in the rear skinning a hole deer with out cutting any holes in it. It is really easy to skin a deer if you poke holes in it and use those to pull down on the hide.
Throwing away a hide is no where near the equivalent of wasting meat.
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Post by: grundy53 on December 12, 2016, 07:40:17 AM
Your reasoning sounds fine and dandy but I guarantee if every hunter dropped off their hides at the taxi 90% would get thrown away and the taxi would say please stop bringing them. Its basic supply and demand.Agreed
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Post by: Whitenuckles on December 12, 2016, 08:04:07 AM
:yeah:I have never saved one. Not interested in having them tanned and have no use for them unfortunately. There are no orange barrels collecting them where I am to make gloves, etc. It is what it is. I hunt for the meat, as I love venison. Not a trophy hunter unless it's waterfowl.You can EARN money by giving them to local taxidermists. Throwing away hides is just as bad as leaving behind backstrips in my book. It's just.... Such a waste.
All you have to do is drop them off or ship them to Moscow Hide and Fur (Although Moscow requires that you flesh the hides). I know it's not the most convenient process, but as a hunter isn't it worth knowing that it doesn't go to waste?
In the future when I'm an adult I want to try to make it easier for hunters to give away there hides without going through this process.
I think as you get older and more experienced you will learn how impractical this is for many reasons. A couple main ones are that unless you are hunting from home it can be a pain in the rear to keep a hide for any length of time with out it going bad. Another reason is that it is a pain in the rear skinning a hole deer with out cutting any holes in it. It is really easy to skin a deer if you poke holes in it and use those to pull down on the hide.
Throwing away a hide is no where near the equivalent of wasting meat.
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Post by: JODakota on December 12, 2016, 08:35:52 AM
I have never saved one. Not interested in having them tanned and have no use for them unfortunately. There are no orange barrels collecting them where I am to make gloves, etc. It is what it is. I hunt for the meat, as I love venison. Not a trophy hunter unless it's waterfowl.You can EARN money by giving them to local taxidermists. Throwing away hides is just as bad as leaving behind backstrips in my book. It's just.... Such a waste.
All you have to do is drop them off or ship them to Moscow Hide and Fur (Although Moscow requires that you flesh the hides). I know it's not the most convenient process, but as a hunter isn't it worth knowing that it doesn't go to waste?
In the future when I'm an adult I want to try to make it easier for hunters to give away there hides without going through this process.
Don't be so quick to pass judgement. Hides are worth about 2-7 dollars in raw form. Capes are worth money.
Post by: JDHasty on December 12, 2016, 08:36:06 AM
I have a tool called a Deer Zipper (no longer made) that makes it fast and easy to jerk the hide off with a truck. They are good for bucks, but does just don't have a strong enough neck.
These are also handy.
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Big-Game-Deluxe-Skinning-Tool/1304999.uts?productVariantId=3071097&WT.tsrc=PPC&WT.mc_id=GoogleProductAds&WT.z_mc_id1=03349019&rid=20&gclid=CJLNie6K79ACFQ92fgodkosB7Q&gclsrc=aw.ds
Post by: davk on December 12, 2016, 08:42:33 AM
But if more and more people started selling them, hides would be worth cents, and capes would drop as well. Supply and demand.I have never saved one. Not interested in having them tanned and have no use for them unfortunately. There are no orange barrels collecting them where I am to make gloves, etc. It is what it is. I hunt for the meat, as I love venison. Not a trophy hunter unless it's waterfowl.You can EARN money by giving them to local taxidermists. Throwing away hides is just as bad as leaving behind backstrips in my book. It's just.... Such a waste.
All you have to do is drop them off or ship them to Moscow Hide and Fur (Although Moscow requires that you flesh the hides). I know it's not the most convenient process, but as a hunter isn't it worth knowing that it doesn't go to waste?
In the future when I'm an adult I want to try to make it easier for hunters to give away there hides without going through this process.
Don't be so quick to pass judgement. Hides are worth about 2-7 dollars in raw form. Capes are worth money.
Post by: JODakota on December 12, 2016, 08:45:01 AM
But if more and more people started selling them, hides would be worth cents, and capes would drop as well. Supply and demand.I have never saved one. Not interested in having them tanned and have no use for them unfortunately. There are no orange barrels collecting them where I am to make gloves, etc. It is what it is. I hunt for the meat, as I love venison. Not a trophy hunter unless it's waterfowl.You can EARN money by giving them to local taxidermists. Throwing away hides is just as bad as leaving behind backstrips in my book. It's just.... Such a waste.
All you have to do is drop them off or ship them to Moscow Hide and Fur (Although Moscow requires that you flesh the hides). I know it's not the most convenient process, but as a hunter isn't it worth knowing that it doesn't go to waste?
In the future when I'm an adult I want to try to make it easier for hunters to give away there hides without going through this process.
Don't be so quick to pass judgement. Hides are worth about 2-7 dollars in raw form. Capes are worth money.
I should have specified what I was getting at, I throw the hide out. 2-7 bucks isn't worth my time and capes are only save if they are Large and have good coloring. Other then that, toss em.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 12, 2016, 09:11:22 AM
Post by: Tbob on December 12, 2016, 09:57:14 AM
Post by: deerslyr on December 12, 2016, 10:21:58 AM
I have never saved one. Not interested in having them tanned and have no use for them unfortunately. There are no orange barrels collecting them where I am to make gloves, etc. It is what it is. I hunt for the meat, as I love venison. Not a trophy hunter unless it's waterfowl.You can EARN money by giving them to local taxidermists. Throwing away hides is just as bad as leaving behind backstrips in my book. It's just.... Such a waste.
When you start killing animals in the back country and packing the hides out let me know; then you can call me wasteful :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: police women of America on December 12, 2016, 10:40:44 AM
Sorry but nothing anyone says will convince me that hides are as precious as the flesh my family consumes. Also, not all of us shoot deer close to vehicles or places that are ideal for skinning. I don't know a single backpack hunter who packs out a whole hide. Deer or elk. :twocents:I can see leaving behind a hide if you're VERY far out. That's probably one of the few times I consider it fine to do. But probably (this is a total guess) 60% of hunters in Washington hunt no further than 5 miles from there truck.
Post by: dscubame on December 12, 2016, 10:43:56 AM
Post by: police women of America on December 12, 2016, 10:47:43 AM
Yes it may be inconvienient, but isnt it inconvienient to hunt? Why not just go buy meat from the grocery? I don't hunt for convienince, I hunt to get resources. Meat, fur, antlers, bone marrow. Anything I can get I use. Maybe most people disagree, but I prefer not to waste anything if I'm lucky enough to an animal.I have never saved one. Not interested in having them tanned and have no use for them unfortunately. There are no orange barrels collecting them where I am to make gloves, etc. It is what it is. I hunt for the meat, as I love venison. Not a trophy hunter unless it's waterfowl.You can EARN money by giving them to local taxidermists. Throwing away hides is just as bad as leaving behind backstrips in my book. It's just.... Such a waste.
All you have to do is drop them off or ship them to Moscow Hide and Fur (Although Moscow requires that you flesh the hides). I know it's not the most convenient process, but as a hunter isn't it worth knowing that it doesn't go to waste?
In the future when I'm an adult I want to try to make it easier for hunters to give away there hides without going through this process.
I think as you get older and more experienced you will learn how impractical this is for many reasons. A couple main ones are that unless you are hunting from home it can be a pain in the rear to keep a hide for any length of time with out it going bad. Another reason is that it is a pain in the rear skinning a hole deer with out cutting any holes in it. It is really easy to skin a deer if you poke holes in it and use those to pull down on the hide.
Throwing away a hide is no where near the equivalent of wasting meat.
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Post by: frazierw on December 12, 2016, 10:49:19 AM
Post by: police women of America on December 12, 2016, 11:06:20 AM
Post by: police women of America on December 12, 2016, 11:13:47 AM
this is absurd. I dont know many people that clean an animal in a way that preserves the entire hide. Especially people that quarter an animal lol. There are bigger fish to fry in the waste dept than trying to convince people to save the hide.You can remove the hide very easily before quartering, it takes less then five minutes: He has the deer hanged, but you don't have to hang it to be able to remove the hide. It's just easier that way.
Post by: frazierw on December 12, 2016, 11:14:59 AM
Post by: police women of America on December 12, 2016, 11:17:23 AM
Some people never do learn to skin an animal without cutting them full of holes.I've seen those used before. Very useful for skinning, especially hunters who have trouble with it.
I have a tool called a Deer Zipper (no longer made) that makes it fast and easy to jerk the hide off with a truck. They are good for bucks, but does just don't have a strong enough neck.
These are also handy.
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Big-Game-Deluxe-Skinning-Tool/1304999.uts?productVariantId=3071097&WT.tsrc=PPC&WT.mc_id=GoogleProductAds&WT.z_mc_id1=03349019&rid=20&gclid=CJLNie6K79ACFQ92fgodkosB7Q&gclsrc=aw.ds
Post by: police women of America on December 12, 2016, 11:20:45 AM
i would LOVE to see someone skin a deer like that in the field in five minutes. Way different when a deer is hung at your house IMOI apologize, it takes two extra minutes. So as you requested:
Post by: frazierw on December 12, 2016, 11:44:06 AM
Post by: Bigshooter on December 12, 2016, 11:58:54 AM
Post by: grundy53 on December 12, 2016, 12:00:44 PM
How many deer have you personally skinned? How many hides have you packed out of the hills?Sorry but nothing anyone says will convince me that hides are as precious as the flesh my family consumes. Also, not all of us shoot deer close to vehicles or places that are ideal for skinning. I don't know a single backpack hunter who packs out a whole hide. Deer or elk. :twocents:I can see leaving behind a hide if you're VERY far out. That's probably one of the few times I consider it fine to do. But probably (this is a total guess) 60% of hunters in Washington hunt no further than 5 miles from there truck.
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Post by: Buzz2401 on December 12, 2016, 12:07:21 PM
I would like to nominate this for dumbest thread of the year. Comparing tossing a hide to wasting meat is idiotic.
Take it easy I believe she is a minor. Her views are a little skewed but experience comes with time.
Post by: Buckmark on December 12, 2016, 12:07:49 PM
As far as the wastage of a hide compared to meat, not even close. Meat is the usable/consumable portion of the animal that i as a hunter am after, i don't need nor want the hide, bones, brain etc etc so i don't keep them. Now i have in the past kept hides and had them tanned both hair on and off and they look great in the box stored on a shelf in the garage.
When the tannery was here in mayrsville i would if i could save them and get gloves in exchange, but only if it was easy to keep, if packing no way.
I would be careful to not categorize hunters that do not do what you do as wasteful as long as they are following the law :twocents:
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 12, 2016, 12:09:11 PM
How many deer have you personally skinned? How many hides have you packed out of the hills?Sorry but nothing anyone says will convince me that hides are as precious as the flesh my family consumes. Also, not all of us shoot deer close to vehicles or places that are ideal for skinning. I don't know a single backpack hunter who packs out a whole hide. Deer or elk. :twocents:I can see leaving behind a hide if you're VERY far out. That's probably one of the few times I consider it fine to do. But probably (this is a total guess) 60% of hunters in Washington hunt no further than 5 miles from there truck.
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Wisdom comes thru experience. ;)
Post by: Bigshooter on December 12, 2016, 12:32:12 PM
I would like to nominate this for dumbest thread of the year. Comparing tossing a hide to wasting meat is idiotic.
Take it easy I believe she is a minor. Her views are a little skewed but experience comes with time.
That is me taking it easy.
Post by: Buzz2401 on December 12, 2016, 12:40:59 PM
Post by: TONTO on December 12, 2016, 12:55:23 PM
Also, there is a certain person who does Bears as a specialty that was soliciting people with deer hides so she can use them for people who have ruined their deer capes. It was a Facebook post.... I'm not saying it's a member who doesn't post here any more.... Probably a fine upstanding business person.. :yike:
Never seen the Facebook post, but I did give her my buck cape this year as well as my last two bull capes. She does offer shop credit or cash, but I was more interested in it not going to waste and declined payment. She even came to my place, just under an hour away, and caped the head for me. Made cleaning up my euro easier and well it was a good looking double patch cape. Hope it makes sombody happy on their wall.
Post by: ian_padron on December 12, 2016, 01:00:54 PM
Sorry but nothing anyone says will convince me that hides are as precious as the flesh my family consumes. Also, not all of us shoot deer close to vehicles or places that are ideal for skinning. I don't know a single backpack hunter who packs out a whole hide. Deer or elk. :twocents:That's a key point right there.
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Post by: h2ofowlr on December 12, 2016, 01:08:56 PM
I have never saved one. Not interested in having them tanned and have no use for them unfortunately. There are no orange barrels collecting them where I am to make gloves, etc. It is what it is. I hunt for the meat, as I love venison. Not a trophy hunter unless it's waterfowl.You can EARN money by giving them to local taxidermists. Throwing away hides is just as bad as leaving behind backstrips in my book. It's just.... Such a waste.
All you have to do is drop them off or ship them to Moscow Hide and Fur (Although Moscow requires that you flesh the hides). I know it's not the most convenient process, but as a hunter isn't it worth knowing that it doesn't go to waste?
In the future when I'm an adult I want to try to make it easier for hunters to give away there hides without going through this process.
Your thoughts may change when you get a little older. I like where your coming from on this, but I still won't keep my capes. I definitely wouldn't consider it the same as leaving behind backstraps. In fact I would challenge you to try eating part of the cape and I will do the backstraps and see if you see any difference in taste. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: kentrek on December 12, 2016, 01:37:31 PM
Look at some other cultures and see what they consider waste.....heck look at the difference in state regulations on what is wasteful.....
Waste is becoming more and more of an issue with the rise of "backcountry" hunters but hides are definitely pretty far down the list for our cultures general Idea of what is "waste"
Best part of hunting is being able to format your own opinions and having those opinions form over time... :tup:
Post by: police women of America on December 12, 2016, 01:38:26 PM
two extra minutes for an expert on flat ground, who isnt doing any packing.
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Practice makes perfect. I'll add another 3 minutes if it isn't flat ground. So now we have 10 minutes if it isn't hanged and you're not on flat ground. Most experienced hunters look for a hill to skin/gut their deer so the blood can drain easily and gravity works with them to get the guts out. So I think for most spots finding flat ground or a slight hit is common. And again, personally I think it's fine to leave a hide behind if you're too far in the backcountry to haul it. And if you have trouble skinning deer, Amazon and Cabelas have tools to help you.
Post by: police women of America on December 12, 2016, 01:46:01 PM
I just watched it, his knife skills scare me the way he cuts up and at himself :bdid:I'm not saying hunters who do not use the hides are wasteful people. And I mean no one disrespect. But I do consider the act of leaving behind hides wasteful. There's just so much you can do with them and for none-hunters they're hard to get. I'm not saying people who leave behind hides should be put in prison or anything crazy, I'm just trying to show hunters they don't have to throw away such a precious material. I think you should use as much of the deer as possible so nothing goes to waste.
As far as the wastage of a hide compared to meat, not even close. Meat is the usable/consumable portion of the animal that i as a hunter am after, i don't need nor want the hide, bones, brain etc etc so i don't keep them. Now i have in the past kept hides and had them tanned both hair on and off and they look great in the box stored on a shelf in the garage.
When the tannery was here in mayrsville i would if i could save them and get gloves in exchange, but only if it was easy to keep, if packing no way.
I would be careful to not categorize hunters that do not do what you do as wasteful as long as they are following the law :twocents:
Post by: police women of America on December 12, 2016, 01:49:19 PM
I may be young and inexperienced. But I've also had to work harder and learn more about hunting due to the fact no one in my family was there to teach me. And because of that, I'm very thankful to have the opportunity to to hunt. So I don't waste anything I'm given.How many deer have you personally skinned? How many hides have you packed out of the hills?Sorry but nothing anyone says will convince me that hides are as precious as the flesh my family consumes. Also, not all of us shoot deer close to vehicles or places that are ideal for skinning. I don't know a single backpack hunter who packs out a whole hide. Deer or elk. :twocents:I can see leaving behind a hide if you're VERY far out. That's probably one of the few times I consider it fine to do. But probably (this is a total guess) 60% of hunters in Washington hunt no further than 5 miles from there truck.
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I'm a self taught hunter starting at age 11. Saved up enough money for a nice .308win Savage at 13. My first time hunting was in 2015, we came close but didn't bag a buck. And I've been trying to get a buck every year since!
Wisdom comes thru experience. ;)
Post by: police women of America on December 12, 2016, 01:53:36 PM
Waste is a tricky word.....what is "waste" ?? Everyone has a different idea of what is wasteful......and in America it usually has to do with how far it's gotta be packed to the truckI completely agree with you. Everyone has there own perspective of what waste is. But personally, I consider it a waste to throw away any part of an animal that can be used (Not including the eyes, guts, or anything like that). That's my opinion, and I believe in it strongly which is why I want to show other hunters that hides don't have to go to waste.
Look at some other cultures and see what they consider waste.....heck look at the difference in state regulations on what is wasteful.....
Waste is becoming more and more of an issue with the rise of "backcountry" hunters but hides are definitely pretty far down the list for our cultures general Idea of what is "waste"
Best part of hunting is being able to format your own opinions and having those opinions form over time... :tup:
Post by: bobcat on December 12, 2016, 02:01:31 PM
Post by: JDHasty on December 12, 2016, 02:05:06 PM
I just watched it, his knife skills scare me the way he cuts up and at himself :bdid:I'm not saying hunters who do not use the hides are wasteful people. And I mean no one disrespect. But I do consider the act of leaving behind hides wasteful. There's just so much you can do with them and for none-hunters they're hard to get. I'm not saying people who leave behind hides should be put in prison or anything crazy, I'm just trying to show hunters they don't have to throw away such a precious material. I think you should use as much of the deer as possible so nothing goes to waste.
As far as the wastage of a hide compared to meat, not even close. Meat is the usable/consumable portion of the animal that i as a hunter am after, i don't need nor want the hide, bones, brain etc etc so i don't keep them. Now i have in the past kept hides and had them tanned both hair on and off and they look great in the box stored on a shelf in the garage.
When the tannery was here in mayrsville i would if i could save them and get gloves in exchange, but only if it was easy to keep, if packing no way.
I would be careful to not categorize hunters that do not do what you do as wasteful as long as they are following the law :twocents:
It was fairly obvious to me that you were suggesting that deer hides can be put to use instead of just leaving them in the woods. Like I said, I try to use every thing I can.
I suppose if people were not leaving our place w/hair on hides that I would not have one or two tanned every year. I did the first ones years ago to use photographing guns on and then my brother's wife wanted one and so did a niece and we just let them leave with one. Since then others have taken hair on hides home to use for various things and I have had rawhide made out of deer hides for the kid's girl scout group to make Indian drums and/or dream catchers.
If I am not going to have to haul it far before tossing it in the truck I even take hides I am not going to use, instead of just throwing them away, and will trade them out for a pair of gloves.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 12, 2016, 02:22:20 PM
I can appreciate your enthusiasm for using all of the animal though :tup:
Post by: rtspring on December 12, 2016, 02:25:24 PM
I completely understand your point I just disagree. You stated that we don't have to hunt and we could just buy meat at the store. Well same goes with the hide. You can buy blankets, clothing, etc from a store as well. I choose to feed my family a higher quality protein than store bought garbage. I personally have zero use for a hide. I'm not decorating my home with them. I'm not clothing myself with them. I don't fly fish so I'm not tying flies with them. As bobcat stated, nothing in nature goes to waste, including skins :twocents:
I can appreciate your enthusiasm for using all of the animal though :tup:
Tree Hugger! How can U waste so much. :chuckle:
Post by: Buckmark on December 12, 2016, 02:42:09 PM
Like Bobcat said, nothing in nature goes to waste.I just watched it, his knife skills scare me the way he cuts up and at himself :bdid:I'm not saying hunters who do not use the hides are wasteful people. And I mean no one disrespect. But I do consider the act of leaving behind hides wasteful. There's just so much you can do with them and for none-hunters they're hard to get. I'm not saying people who leave behind hides should be put in prison or anything crazy, I'm just trying to show hunters they don't have to throw away such a precious material. I think you should use as much of the deer as possible so nothing goes to waste.
As far as the wastage of a hide compared to meat, not even close. Meat is the usable/consumable portion of the animal that i as a hunter am after, i don't need nor want the hide, bones, brain etc etc so i don't keep them. Now i have in the past kept hides and had them tanned both hair on and off and they look great in the box stored on a shelf in the garage.
When the tannery was here in mayrsville i would if i could save them and get gloves in exchange, but only if it was easy to keep, if packing no way.
I would be careful to not categorize hunters that do not do what you do as wasteful as long as they are following the law :twocents:
I respect that for you, using the hide is important but for some of us it is not what or why we hunt.
A little knowledge can be useful, it is not as precious as one may think and very easy to obtain by anyone.
Centrailia Fur and Hide https://furandhide.com/ can do hair on or leather tanning of your own hide, they also sell hides in all diffrent colors, natural etc in various condition (holes, no holes, drag marks etc) https://furandhide.com/products/categories/leather-deer,-goat-&-bear so anyone can buy a hide for personal use without being a hunter and killing an animal.
If you want i may have a hide come available before the end of the month and if so you are welcome to have it.
Post by: police women of America on December 12, 2016, 02:49:28 PM
I completely understand your point I just disagree. You stated that we don't have to hunt and we could just buy meat at the store. Well same goes with the hide. You can buy blankets, clothing, etc from a store as well. I choose to feed my family a higher quality protein than store bought garbage. I personally have zero use for a hide. I'm not decorating my home with them. I'm not clothing myself with them. I don't fly fish so I'm not tying flies with them. As bobcat stated, nothing in nature goes to waste, including skins :twocents:If someone else was to use them to make blankets, clothing, etc. would you ship or drop it off for them?
I can appreciate your enthusiasm for using all of the animal though :tup:
Post by: police women of America on December 12, 2016, 03:03:05 PM
Even if hides were sold for one cent, I would still consider them a precious material as they can be used for so much. But I understand your point that they are available to none-hunters. They still can always be used to make clothes no matter the price or amount of availablility. And I guess you can find anything on the internet, including hides. I just meant that if deer hides were more available, there might be more use for them. Maybe even a "deer hide clothing" isle in Walmart :chuckle:Like Bobcat said, nothing in nature goes to waste.I just watched it, his knife skills scare me the way he cuts up and at himself :bdid:I'm not saying hunters who do not use the hides are wasteful people. And I mean no one disrespect. But I do consider the act of leaving behind hides wasteful. There's just so much you can do with them and for none-hunters they're hard to get. I'm not saying people who leave behind hides should be put in prison or anything crazy, I'm just trying to show hunters they don't have to throw away such a precious material. I think you should use as much of the deer as possible so nothing goes to waste.
As far as the wastage of a hide compared to meat, not even close. Meat is the usable/consumable portion of the animal that i as a hunter am after, i don't need nor want the hide, bones, brain etc etc so i don't keep them. Now i have in the past kept hides and had them tanned both hair on and off and they look great in the box stored on a shelf in the garage.
When the tannery was here in mayrsville i would if i could save them and get gloves in exchange, but only if it was easy to keep, if packing no way.
I would be careful to not categorize hunters that do not do what you do as wasteful as long as they are following the law :twocents:
I respect that for you, using the hide is important but for some of us it is not what or why we hunt.
A little knowledge can be useful, it is not as precious as one may think and very easy to obtain by anyone.
Centrailia Fur and Hide https://furandhide.com/ can do hair on or leather tanning of your own hide, they also sell hides in all diffrent colors, natural etc in various condition (holes, no holes, drag marks etc) https://furandhide.com/products/categories/leather-deer,-goat-&-bear so anyone can buy a hide for personal use without being a hunter and killing an animal.
If you want i may have a hide come available before the end of the month and if so you are welcome to have it.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 12, 2016, 03:15:40 PM
nope. I don't hunt in places where hauling a hide out is feasible. My concern is every ounce of meat I can trim off a carcass, including edible organs such as heart and liver (even though liver is nasty. My grandparents like it).I completely understand your point I just disagree. You stated that we don't have to hunt and we could just buy meat at the store. Well same goes with the hide. You can buy blankets, clothing, etc from a store as well. I choose to feed my family a higher quality protein than store bought garbage. I personally have zero use for a hide. I'm not decorating my home with them. I'm not clothing myself with them. I don't fly fish so I'm not tying flies with them. As bobcat stated, nothing in nature goes to waste, including skins :twocents:If someone else was to use them to make blankets, clothing, etc. would you ship or drop it off for them?
I can appreciate your enthusiasm for using all of the animal though :tup:
Post by: huntandjeep on December 12, 2016, 03:29:27 PM
Post by: grundy53 on December 12, 2016, 03:38:17 PM
The point of my question is to see if you have actually done either.I may be young and inexperienced. But I've also had to work harder and learn more about hunting due to the fact no one in my family was there to teach me. And because of that, I'm very thankful to have the opportunity to to hunt. So I don't waste anything I'm given.How many deer have you personally skinned? How many hides have you packed out of the hills?Sorry but nothing anyone says will convince me that hides are as precious as the flesh my family consumes. Also, not all of us shoot deer close to vehicles or places that are ideal for skinning. I don't know a single backpack hunter who packs out a whole hide. Deer or elk. :twocents:I can see leaving behind a hide if you're VERY far out. That's probably one of the few times I consider it fine to do. But probably (this is a total guess) 60% of hunters in Washington hunt no further than 5 miles from there truck.
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Post by: Miles on December 12, 2016, 04:44:39 PM
Only hide I will ever pack out is a Bear ,Cougar or Bobcat. Capes are a different story if I plan on mounting. Coyotes I shoot I just leave them where they lay.
I don't even pack capes out. I think if the original poster gets some experience hunting backcountry or wilderness areas the ideas will become a bit more realistic.
Post by: police women of America on December 12, 2016, 05:14:00 PM
Well I meant more if you weren't far out in the woods. Like I said on a couple other posts, personally I don't think it's wasting the hide if you're 5+ miles away from your car.nope. I don't hunt in places where hauling a hide out is feasible. My concern is every ounce of meat I can trim off a carcass, including edible organs such as heart and liver (even though liver is nasty. My grandparents like it).I completely understand your point I just disagree. You stated that we don't have to hunt and we could just buy meat at the store. Well same goes with the hide. You can buy blankets, clothing, etc from a store as well. I choose to feed my family a higher quality protein than store bought garbage. I personally have zero use for a hide. I'm not decorating my home with them. I'm not clothing myself with them. I don't fly fish so I'm not tying flies with them. As bobcat stated, nothing in nature goes to waste, including skins :twocents:If someone else was to use them to make blankets, clothing, etc. would you ship or drop it off for them?
I can appreciate your enthusiasm for using all of the animal though :tup:
Post by: JLS on December 12, 2016, 05:17:46 PM
I really appreciate your enthusiasm and passion on this issue. I personally don't view meat and hides in the same light, but I can certainly see where some might. I have never saved a hide, and I usually ruin them anyway by splitting them up the back in order to remove the meat.
Best of luck in your quest for your first deer!
Post by: police women of America on December 12, 2016, 05:18:34 PM
http://www.biggamehunt.net/tips/use-hide
The hide doesn't have to go to waste. It's a very useful item that can be used in many different ways. In some cases, you can even make some money off them!
Post by: police women of America on December 12, 2016, 05:22:55 PM
PWA,Thanks! I appreciate your input. I have one question, if there was a easy was to drop off hides (assuming that they're whole) would you do it?
I really appreciate your enthusiasm and passion on this issue. I personally don't view meat and hides in the same light, but I can certainly see where some might. I have never saved a hide, and I usually ruin them anyway by splitting them up the back in order to remove the meat.
Best of luck in your quest for your first deer!
This whole thing isn't getting me thinking, maybe if they had sanitary "drop boxes" for hunters where they could drop there hides. They could get some use out of them
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 12, 2016, 05:30:00 PM
Oh gotcha, I misunderstood. The answer is still no. I don't gut animals and I debone everything. Even if I was 100 ft from a road I'd still debone and use the gutless method. This involves splitting the hide right down the center line of the back.Well I meant more if you weren't far out in the woods. Like I said on a couple other posts, personally I don't think it's wasting the hide if you're 5+ miles away from your car.nope. I don't hunt in places where hauling a hide out is feasible. My concern is every ounce of meat I can trim off a carcass, including edible organs such as heart and liver (even though liver is nasty. My grandparents like it).I completely understand your point I just disagree. You stated that we don't have to hunt and we could just buy meat at the store. Well same goes with the hide. You can buy blankets, clothing, etc from a store as well. I choose to feed my family a higher quality protein than store bought garbage. I personally have zero use for a hide. I'm not decorating my home with them. I'm not clothing myself with them. I don't fly fish so I'm not tying flies with them. As bobcat stated, nothing in nature goes to waste, including skins :twocents:If someone else was to use them to make blankets, clothing, etc. would you ship or drop it off for them?
I can appreciate your enthusiasm for using all of the animal though :tup:
Basically it comes down to it being a bunch of work for me, for zero return for my efforts, for something that I don't see as a waste issue :twocents:
I will say though, if I ever shot a deer from the rig or VERY close to the rig and ended up taking one out whole and there were drop bins around, yeah I'd skin one out.
Post by: JLS on December 12, 2016, 05:33:59 PM
PWA,Thanks! I appreciate your input. I have one question, if there was a easy was to drop off hides (assuming that they're whole) would you do it?
I really appreciate your enthusiasm and passion on this issue. I personally don't view meat and hides in the same light, but I can certainly see where some might. I have never saved a hide, and I usually ruin them anyway by splitting them up the back in order to remove the meat.
Best of luck in your quest for your first deer!
This whole thing isn't getting me thinking, maybe if they had sanitary "drop boxes" for hunters where they could drop there hides. They could get some use out of them
IMHO, I doubt there is that much demand for deer and elk hides, given the number of cattle that are slaughtered in the US. Even if there were drop boxes, I doubt I would take many to them because it's rare I kill an animal very close to the road.
Post by: police women of America on December 12, 2016, 05:34:28 PM
Thanks for the response. Maybe someday in the future I can convince WDFW to let me put "hide bins" outside there WDFW offices. And then put the hides to use.Oh gotcha, I misunderstood. The answer is still no. I don't gut animals and I debone everything. Even if I was 100 ft from a road I'd still debone and use the gutless method. This involves splitting the hide right down the center line of the back.Well I meant more if you weren't far out in the woods. Like I said on a couple other posts, personally I don't think it's wasting the hide if you're 5+ miles away from your car.nope. I don't hunt in places where hauling a hide out is feasible. My concern is every ounce of meat I can trim off a carcass, including edible organs such as heart and liver (even though liver is nasty. My grandparents like it).I completely understand your point I just disagree. You stated that we don't have to hunt and we could just buy meat at the store. Well same goes with the hide. You can buy blankets, clothing, etc from a store as well. I choose to feed my family a higher quality protein than store bought garbage. I personally have zero use for a hide. I'm not decorating my home with them. I'm not clothing myself with them. I don't fly fish so I'm not tying flies with them. As bobcat stated, nothing in nature goes to waste, including skins :twocents:If someone else was to use them to make blankets, clothing, etc. would you ship or drop it off for them?
I can appreciate your enthusiasm for using all of the animal though :tup:
Basically it comes down to it being a bunch of work for me, for zero return for my efforts, for something that I don't see as a waste issue :twocents:
I will say though, if I ever shot a deer from the rig or VERY close to the rig and ended up taking one out whole and there were drop bins around, yeah I'd skin one out.
Post by: police women of America on December 12, 2016, 05:38:25 PM
Companies like Moscow Hide and Fur, local shops, etc. are willing to buy hides. And they can always be made into clothing. But thanks for the response, I was curious.PWA,Thanks! I appreciate your input. I have one question, if there was a easy was to drop off hides (assuming that they're whole) would you do it?
I really appreciate your enthusiasm and passion on this issue. I personally don't view meat and hides in the same light, but I can certainly see where some might. I have never saved a hide, and I usually ruin them anyway by splitting them up the back in order to remove the meat.
Best of luck in your quest for your first deer!
This whole thing is getting me thinking, maybe if they had sanitary "drop boxes" for hunters where they could drop there hides. They could get some use out of them
IMHO, I doubt there is that much demand for deer and elk hides, given the number of cattle that are slaughtered in the US. Even if there were drop boxes, I doubt I would take many to them because it's rare I kill an animal very close to the road.
Post by: danderson on December 12, 2016, 05:42:24 PM
Post by: Bullkllr on December 12, 2016, 06:15:28 PM
I never put any in the barrels, but I did trade a few in for gloves at the Western Glove Co. in T-Town. They'd give you a pair of cheap gloves in exchange for a hide.
I have about 6 salted deer/elk hides I need to do something with. Seems like a good idea to use them; can never find the time.
Post by: Jpmiller on December 12, 2016, 06:21:28 PM
Or is it an attempt to keep the internal organs contained as long as possible?
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 12, 2016, 06:24:50 PM
What's the benefit of splitting a hide down the back instead of skinning it from the belly if you're going about with the gutless method? Ive never done it so I'm sure I'm missing something but it seems you could skin an animal from the belly?has more to do with not wrestling legs around and extra effort. I can split one down the back, skin it down, and remove meat without ever having to wrestle a quarter.
Or is it an attempt to keep the internal organs contained as long as possible?
Post by: JLS on December 12, 2016, 07:56:30 PM
What's the benefit of splitting a hide down the back instead of skinning it from the belly if you're going about with the gutless method? Ive never done it so I'm sure I'm missing something but it seems you could skin an animal from the belly?
Or is it an attempt to keep the internal organs contained as long as possible?
IMO it's much easier to do by yourself.
No scientific testing is available to back this up, and a number of animals were harmed in the opinion forming process.
Post by: bobdog86 on December 12, 2016, 09:00:24 PM
Post by: Duckslayer89 on December 12, 2016, 09:33:10 PM
What's the benefit of splitting a hide down the back instead of skinning it from the belly if you're going about with the gutless method? Ive never done it so I'm sure I'm missing something but it seems you could skin an animal from the belly?has more to do with not wrestling legs around and extra effort. I can split one down the back, skin it down, and remove meat without ever having to wrestle a quarter.
Or is it an attempt to keep the internal organs contained as long as possible?
You still have to split it at some point to get the hide down past quarters
Post by: Odell on December 12, 2016, 09:41:06 PM
Sorry but nothing anyone says will convince me that hides are as precious as the flesh my family consumes. Also, not all of us shoot deer close to vehicles or places that are ideal for skinning. I don't know a single backpack hunter who packs out a whole hide. Deer or elk. :twocents:
My buddy did this year. His meat, his deer hide and a coyote that I shot!
Oh to be young...
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 12, 2016, 09:46:39 PM
I never remove the leg bone. Down the spine, down the back of the leg and lay it all over. Remove meat and done.What's the benefit of splitting a hide down the back instead of skinning it from the belly if you're going about with the gutless method? Ive never done it so I'm sure I'm missing something but it seems you could skin an animal from the belly?has more to do with not wrestling legs around and extra effort. I can split one down the back, skin it down, and remove meat without ever having to wrestle a quarter.
Or is it an attempt to keep the internal organs contained as long as possible?
You still have to split it at some point to get the hide down past quarters
Post by: JODakota on December 12, 2016, 09:58:40 PM
I would like to nominate this for dumbest thread of the year. Comparing tossing a hide to wasting meat is idiotic.
If I'm not to late, I second this nomination, all in favor? Yeh
Post by: JODakota on December 12, 2016, 09:59:47 PM
Only hide I will ever pack out is a Bear ,Cougar or Bobcat. Capes are a different story if I plan on mounting. Coyotes I shoot I just leave them where they lay.
Coyotes are actually worth quite a bit in the right hands.
Post by: highhunter on December 12, 2016, 10:09:24 PM
Post by: Duckslayer89 on December 12, 2016, 10:09:57 PM
I never remove the leg bone. Down the spine, down the back of the leg and lay it all over. Remove meat and done.What's the benefit of splitting a hide down the back instead of skinning it from the belly if you're going about with the gutless method? Ive never done it so I'm sure I'm missing something but it seems you could skin an animal from the belly?has more to do with not wrestling legs around and extra effort. I can split one down the back, skin it down, and remove meat without ever having to wrestle a quarter.
Or is it an attempt to keep the internal organs contained as long as possible?
You still have to split it at some point to get the hide down past quarters
Roger down the back of the leg gotta split. I don't remove leg bone either. Was just wondering how you would peal without cutting down back of leg. How about front quarter that way? I always go from belly doing the gutless but like your idea
Post by: fish vacuum on December 13, 2016, 12:03:04 AM
I do back leg, front leg, neck, then back straps. Roll animal over and repeat on other side.I never remove the leg bone. Down the spine, down the back of the leg and lay it all over. Remove meat and done.What's the benefit of splitting a hide down the back instead of skinning it from the belly if you're going about with the gutless method? Ive never done it so I'm sure I'm missing something but it seems you could skin an animal from the belly?has more to do with not wrestling legs around and extra effort. I can split one down the back, skin it down, and remove meat without ever having to wrestle a quarter.
Or is it an attempt to keep the internal organs contained as long as possible?
You still have to split it at some point to get the hide down past quarters
Roger down the back of the leg gotta split. I don't remove leg bone either. Was just wondering how you would peal without cutting down back of leg. How about front quarter that way? I always go from belly doing the gutless but like your idea
And my hides get left in the field. I used to take them to quil ceda tanning and trade for gloves. But they stopped that deal and it's rare I take a deer out whole anymore.
Post by: JDHasty on December 13, 2016, 01:48:25 AM
There used to be "hide bins" around. Can't remember what the outfit that put them out was. Charity of some kind. I'm sure someone must remember those orange barrels with a sign that said something like "Hunters- Donate your Hides".
I never put any in the barrels, but I did trade a few in for gloves at the Western Glove Co. in T-Town. They'd give you a pair of cheap gloves in exchange for a hide.
I have about 6 salted deer/elk hides I need to do something with. Seems like a good idea to use them; can never find the time.
They were put out by the Elks Club and the program was Hides For Veterans.
It was very popular around Lakewood/Pierce County when I was a kid and soldiers were coming home from South-east Asia with injuries.
I mentioned on another site, now defunct, that it would be a good thing to get going again around the time that military service members were coming home from the middle east with injuries. The tone of the response I got from hunters was stunning. Quite similar to the tone of this thread, and at that time no one was suggesting that anyone had any obligation to use the hide themselves, only that if the program was revived that if it was convenient that I thought a lot of hunters would participate.
Nobody suggested that anyone make a final trip to bring out a hide from the back country, all that was suggested was that if it was convenient that there is a demand for hides and that perhaps hunters would participate. For making that suggestion I was more or less mocked.
Post by: dscubame on December 13, 2016, 07:55:20 AM
Post by: dscubame on December 13, 2016, 07:58:50 AM
I never remove the leg bone. Down the spine, down the back of the leg and lay it all over. Remove meat and done.What's the benefit of splitting a hide down the back instead of skinning it from the belly if you're going about with the gutless method? Ive never done it so I'm sure I'm missing something but it seems you could skin an animal from the belly?has more to do with not wrestling legs around and extra effort. I can split one down the back, skin it down, and remove meat without ever having to wrestle a quarter.
Or is it an attempt to keep the internal organs contained as long as possible?
You still have to split it at some point to get the hide down past quarters
Roger down the back of the leg gotta split. I don't remove leg bone either. Was just wondering how you would peal without cutting down back of leg. How about front quarter that way? I always go from belly doing the gutless but like your idea
I too tried that this year going from belly on gutless for the first time and I must say I liked it. Going to do it a couple more times and it may be my new technique rather than going from spine. I found it nicer to control the hide especially on a large animal like elk. Deer it may be a wash but again going to go from belly a couple more times for sure.
Post by: JDHasty on December 13, 2016, 08:26:46 AM
The Elks Leather Program was initiated in 1948 when the Elks of California
launched a hide-gathering program in their State during hunting season. The raw hides
were collected at central points, salted and shipped to a Los Angeles tannery for
processing. Finished leather, in brilliant colors, was made available to Veterans Medical
facilities throughout the State.
To make this popular program available to all VA Medical Centers (VAMC), the
Elks National Veterans Service Commission arranged funding to pay for tanning and
shipping of the hides nationwide. Today, over nineteen States donate or are developing
plans to support this program. All States are invited to donate hides, make use of the
“Gloves for Wheelchair Veterans” program and participate in the tanned leather
distribution.
Since the government does not budget money for leather for wheelchair gloves
for veterans, it falls upon the Elks to keep the supply line open.
The Elks National Veterans Service Commission has pledged that: “While there is
a committee of Elks on the job, therapists will never experience a shortage of leather”.
http://www.elks.org/vets/VeteransLeatherProgram.pdf
Post by: Jpmiller on December 13, 2016, 08:33:46 AM
I never remove the leg bone. Down the spine, down the back of the leg and lay it all over. Remove meat and done.What's the benefit of splitting a hide down the back instead of skinning it from the belly if you're going about with the gutless method? Ive never done it so I'm sure I'm missing something but it seems you could skin an animal from the belly?has more to do with not wrestling legs around and extra effort. I can split one down the back, skin it down, and remove meat without ever having to wrestle a quarter.
Or is it an attempt to keep the internal organs contained as long as possible?
You still have to split it at some point to get the hide down past quarters
Roger down the back of the leg gotta split. I don't remove leg bone either. Was just wondering how you would peal without cutting down back of leg. How about front quarter that way? I always go from belly doing the gutless but like your idea
I too tried that this year going from belly on gutless for the first time and I must say I liked it. Going to do it a couple more times and it may be my new technique rather than going from spine. I found it nicer to control the hide especially on a large animal like elk. Deer it may be a wash but again going to go from belly a couple more times for sure.
So you could skin it out to save the hide with the gutless then. I always throw around the idea of trying but I like keeping the hides.
Post by: Buzz2401 on December 13, 2016, 03:32:29 PM
Post by: dscubame on December 13, 2016, 03:35:26 PM
Off topic but when I do gutless I go from gut towards back skinning because you end up with less hair over your meat and it gives you a nice clean mat once you roll it down. To each their own though. There's more then one way to skin a deer lol
:tup:
Post by: NRA4LIFE on December 13, 2016, 03:45:24 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 13, 2016, 03:46:35 PM
Off topic but when I do gutless I go from gut towards back skinning because you end up with less hair over your meat and it gives you a nice clean mat once you roll it down. To each their own though. There's more then one way to skin a deer lolIn what way does it keep less hair off your meat? Honest question? I go back down because I don't ever have to lift a leg up to make a cut. Only time I have to manhandle the carcass is to roll it over.
Post by: JLS on December 13, 2016, 04:51:09 PM
Off topic but when I do gutless I go from gut towards back skinning because you end up with less hair over your meat and it gives you a nice clean mat once you roll it down. To each their own though. There's more then one way to skin a deer lolIn what way does it keep less hair off your meat? Honest question? I go back down because I don't ever have to lift a leg up to make a cut. Only time I have to manhandle the carcass is to roll it over.
I'm honestly not all that concerned about some hair on the meat, because when I butcher it I trim off the outer fascia anyway.
Post by: dscubame on December 13, 2016, 04:51:57 PM
Off topic but when I do gutless I go from gut towards back skinning because you end up with less hair over your meat and it gives you a nice clean mat once you roll it down. To each their own though. There's more then one way to skin a deer lolIn what way does it keep less hair off your meat? Honest question? I go back down because I don't ever have to lift a leg up to make a cut. Only time I have to manhandle the carcass is to roll it over.
BLR from 6 or so deer and just a couple elk down the spine it was clean enough with the deer for sure. Thought about how to answer your question "in what way" and really could not come up with a specific answer rather it seems to be just in general during the process, is all I could come up with. I tried the elk this year from the gut just due to size of the beast and rolling it and just generally had a better experience. I did not think about it ahead of time just came to me when I knelt down with the knife and it felt natural so I went for it. For deer I think either is good enough.
Post by: MtnMuley on December 13, 2016, 05:12:28 PM
Post by: police women of America on December 13, 2016, 07:02:10 PM
As mentioned earlier, look at the author of the thread before jumping the gun on bashing something that might seem laughable. I appreciate the fact she wants to make use of the entire animal. As for many of us, this isn't an option a lot of the time. About the skinning method, gutless or not, if you're making your cuts against the natural lay if the hair, your're leaving way more hair than needs to be on your meat. Regardless if you trim the complete out later off the quarters like I do, you have to admit that the less hair present, the better.......I don't really understand how making use of hides is laughable? In my original post I didn't say that everyone and anyone absalutly HAS to make use of their hides. I simply said that I thought it was a waste to throw them away rather then giving them to someone who can use them. And I also gave links to companies who will pay for the hides. If people get offended by other people's opinions, maybe they shouldn't be on the internet :dunno:
Post by: police women of America on December 13, 2016, 07:10:10 PM
I've also seen a guy use a small blowtorch to lightly burn the hair off the meat before freezing. But he did it just light enough so it wouldnt cook the meat.Off topic but when I do gutless I go from gut towards back skinning because you end up with less hair over your meat and it gives you a nice clean mat once you roll it down. To each their own though. There's more then one way to skin a deer lolIn what way does it keep less hair off your meat? Honest question? I go back down because I don't ever have to lift a leg up to make a cut. Only time I have to manhandle the carcass is to roll it over.
I'm honestly not all that concerned about some hair on the meat, because when I butcher it I trim off the outer fascia anyway.
Post by: police women of America on December 13, 2016, 07:16:34 PM
Hides For VeteransI love this idea. I think if it was more well known, and easier for hunters to drop off hides, even more hides could go towards veterans. I would love for an organization like this to go nation wide.
The Elks Leather Program was initiated in 1948 when the Elks of California
launched a hide-gathering program in their State during hunting season. The raw hides
were collected at central points, salted and shipped to a Los Angeles tannery for
processing. Finished leather, in brilliant colors, was made available to Veterans Medical
facilities throughout the State.
To make this popular program available to all VA Medical Centers (VAMC), the
Elks National Veterans Service Commission arranged funding to pay for tanning and
shipping of the hides nationwide. Today, over nineteen States donate or are developing
plans to support this program. All States are invited to donate hides, make use of the
“Gloves for Wheelchair Veterans” program and participate in the tanned leather
distribution.
Since the government does not budget money for leather for wheelchair gloves
for veterans, it falls upon the Elks to keep the supply line open.
The Elks National Veterans Service Commission has pledged that: “While there is
a committee of Elks on the job, therapists will never experience a shortage of leather”.
http://www.elks.org/vets/VeteransLeatherProgram.pdf
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 13, 2016, 07:20:43 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on December 13, 2016, 07:37:55 PM
15 miles in with your camp on your back and attempting to provide a solid reason to pack the hide out is very laughable. Even a cape off a 200" buck is laughable if I'm in camp. :tup:As mentioned earlier, look at the author of the thread before jumping the gun on bashing something that might seem laughable. I appreciate the fact she wants to make use of the entire animal. As for many of us, this isn't an option a lot of the time. About the skinning method, gutless or not, if you're making your cuts against the natural lay if the hair, your're leaving way more hair than needs to be on your meat. Regardless if you trim the complete out later off the quarters like I do, you have to admit that the less hair present, the better.......I don't really understand how making use of hides is laughable? In my original post I didn't say that everyone and anyone absalutly HAS to make use of their hides. I simply said that I thought it was a waste to throw them away rather then giving them to someone who can use them. And I also gave links to companies who will pay for the hides. If people get offended by other people's opinions, maybe they shouldn't be on the internet :dunno:
Post by: JDHasty on December 13, 2016, 07:40:39 PM
As mentioned earlier, look at the author of the thread before jumping the gun on bashing something that might seem laughable. I appreciate the fact she wants to make use of the entire animal. As for many of us, this isn't an option a lot of the time. About the skinning method, gutless or not, if you're making your cuts against the natural lay if the hair, your're leaving way more hair than needs to be on your meat. Regardless if you trim the complete out later off the quarters like I do, you have to admit that the less hair present, the better.......I don't really understand how making use of hides is laughable? In my original post I didn't say that everyone and anyone absalutly HAS to make use of their hides. I simply said that I thought it was a waste to throw them away rather then giving them to someone who can use them. And I also gave links to companies who will pay for the hides. If people get offended by other people's opinions, maybe they shouldn't be on the internet :dunno:
They can be used for crafts etc. perhaps the reason that I recognize the potential value is that I wore buckskin shirts when I was a kid. They are warm in the winter and believe it or not comfortable in the summer and indestructible. I'll post a picture one my aunt made for me in 1964 when I was five. I wore it daily for at least two or three years.
We didn't have a lot of money when I was a kid.
Post by: police women of America on December 13, 2016, 07:45:12 PM
I never said that everyone has to use there hides. I just think they're very valuable and shouldn't go to waste. I've hunted that fare out before and I brought two other people with me and something to help haul the deer. That way nothing went to waste.15 miles in with your camp on your back and attempting to provide a solid reason to pack the hide out is very laughable. Even a cape off a 200" buck is laughable if I'm in camp. :tup:As mentioned earlier, look at the author of the thread before jumping the gun on bashing something that might seem laughable. I appreciate the fact she wants to make use of the entire animal. As for many of us, this isn't an option a lot of the time. About the skinning method, gutless or not, if you're making your cuts against the natural lay if the hair, your're leaving way more hair than needs to be on your meat. Regardless if you trim the complete out later off the quarters like I do, you have to admit that the less hair present, the better.......I don't really understand how making use of hides is laughable? In my original post I didn't say that everyone and anyone absalutly HAS to make use of their hides. I simply said that I thought it was a waste to throw them away rather then giving them to someone who can use them. And I also gave links to companies who will pay for the hides. If people get offended by other people's opinions, maybe they shouldn't be on the internet :dunno:
Post by: police women of America on December 13, 2016, 07:47:44 PM
One thing that would need to be considered with that idea is how frequently those barrels would need to be checked. With the temps often into the 70's and 80's during rifle and even the 90's during early archery and muzzleloader seasons, youd have to be checking barrels twice daily. A hide would cook very fast in a bin sitting out in the sunshine.I think if they had them at WDFW stations the employees could check them twice a day. But that's just an assumption, I'm not even sure if they would be able to. But I'm sure there's some kind of system they used that kept the hides usable.
Post by: JDHasty on December 13, 2016, 07:53:28 PM
One thing that would need to be considered with that idea is how frequently those barrels would need to be checked. With the temps often into the 70's and 80's during rifle and even the 90's during early archery and muzzleloader seasons, youd have to be checking barrels twice daily. A hide would cook very fast in a bin sitting out in the sunshine.I think if they had them at WDFW stations the employees could check them twice a day. But that's just an assumption, I'm not even sure if they would be able to. But I'm sure there's some kind of system they used that kept the hides usable.
I helped out with them when I was a teenager growing up in Lakewood. I only volunteered to help out and do not know the particulars of how it worked. It was very, very popular. I would help to collect the hides and then salt and stack them and by the end of the season they had stacks taller than I was.
Post by: police women of America on December 13, 2016, 07:53:40 PM
They can be used for crafts etc. perhaps the reason that I recognize the potential value is that I wore buckskin shirts when I was a kid. They are warm in the winter and believe it or not comfortable in the summer and indestructible. I'll post a picture one my aunt made for me in 1964 when I was five. I wore it daily for at least two or three years.
We didn't have a lot of money when I was a kid.
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Wow I didn't know buckskin was that good for shirts and pants. I always thought it might be more delicate, but I guess it is leather. Those could make great Christmas gifts too.
Post by: JDHasty on December 13, 2016, 07:57:09 PM
They can be used for crafts etc. perhaps the reason that I recognize the potential value is that I wore buckskin shirts when I was a kid. They are warm in the winter and believe it or not comfortable in the summer and indestructible. I'll post a picture one my aunt made for me in 1964 when I was five. I wore it daily for at least two or three years.
We didn't have a lot of money when I was a kid.
Wow I didn't know buckskin was that good for shirts and pants. I always thought it might be more delicate, but I guess it is leather. Those could make great Christmas gifts too.
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That shirt had a lot of tough use. Buckskin is indestructible and very soft. Mom used to clean it with saddle soap.
Post by: police women of America on December 14, 2016, 10:11:50 AM
They can be used for crafts etc. perhaps the reason that I recognize the potential value is that I wore buckskin shirts when I was a kid. They are warm in the winter and believe it or not comfortable in the summer and indestructible. I'll post a picture one my aunt made for me in 1964 when I was five. I wore it daily for at least two or three years.
We didn't have a lot of money when I was a kid.
Wow I didn't know buckskin was that good for shirts and pants. I always thought it might be more delicate, but I guess it is leather. Those could make great Christmas gifts too.
That shirt had a lot of tough use. Buckskin is indestructible and very soft. Mom used to clean it with saddle soap.
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Good to know. I'll have to make a pair of pants for my brother someday.