Post by: Butchmeathook on December 13, 2016, 12:51:22 PM
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Post by: Butchmeathook on December 13, 2016, 01:03:56 PM
Post by: JDHasty on December 13, 2016, 01:14:33 PM
Post by: elkboy on December 13, 2016, 01:15:59 PM
Glad you enjoyed your hunt. Best of luck next year!
Post by: huntingbaldguy on December 13, 2016, 01:19:59 PM
Wait until you see a mature BT buck down on his knees moving behind a screen of ferns. I have caught them belly crawling past an ambush twice and know two other guys who have as well.
Are you serious? I've never heard of such a thing.
Post by: Butchmeathook on December 13, 2016, 01:21:18 PM
Post by: JDHasty on December 13, 2016, 01:24:17 PM
Wait until you see a mature BT buck down on his knees moving behind a screen of ferns. I have caught them belly crawling past an ambush twice and know two other guys who have as well.
Are you serious? I've never heard of such a thing.
Yes, I am serious. Unfortunately for me, both times I was archery hunting. Once I was set up in a blind and the second time I blundered onto a herd of deer in an overgrown field just at last light. The does with their fawns and a spike bounded off the buck just melted down into knee high grass and crawled away. I lost sight of him and then just caught a glimpse of him after he had gone quite a way on his belly.
Post by: huntingbaldguy on December 13, 2016, 01:27:45 PM
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Post by: huntingbaldguy on December 14, 2016, 10:13:19 AM
The big guys are smart though. I thoroughly feel that you have to catch them in their bedding areas when it's not rut time. My theory is that when spikes haven't been part of a bachelor group yet and they've recently left their mothers, they haven't been able to learn how to stay alive from the big boys. I saw 7 different spikes last year in daylight. Then Oct 25th caught my 3 point in daylight when i'd only seen 1 other instance on cam of big boys in daylight.
Post by: JDHasty on December 14, 2016, 10:25:57 AM
Rut is the only time i've seen big blacktail bucks in daylight. Usually outside of rut i see them crossing a road at 10pm or something. A buddy and i for early rifle 3 years ago were driving to our hunting grounds and we saw 3 3pt or better bucks in less than 2 miles of road before shooting light. All we saw was a spike and 2 does in daylight. Sadly i didn't get a deer that year because i didn't shoot that spike. It was day 2 of hunting in an any buck unit. We spooked him off a logging road and he stopped about 50 yards away and stared at us for about 20 seconds then split. Had him in my sights for 10 seconds of that with a shooting window.
The big guys are smart though. I thoroughly feel that you have to catch them in their bedding areas when it's not rut time. My theory is that when spikes haven't been part of a bachelor group yet and they've recently left their mothers, they haven't been able to learn how to stay alive from the big boys. I saw 7 different spikes last year in daylight. Then Oct 25th caught my 3 point in daylight when i'd only seen 1 other instance on cam of big boys in daylight.
There is a lot of truth in what you say.
One thing I think is that a lot of the bucks that get to grow up to become mature bucks are out of wise old mature does that instill a sense of caution early on in life.
Post by: Butchmeathook on December 14, 2016, 11:20:58 AM
Just saw the other ones eye shine!!! But I have a feeling this weekend we will get our deer!! Thanks again fellas for all the info, it is going into my hip pocket!!!
Post by: kball4 on December 14, 2016, 11:25:06 AM
Post by: MADMAX on December 14, 2016, 12:09:27 PM
wind was squirrely and half a dozen left the area I was hunting pretty quick after a few swirls.
Did see a dandy 3x tending a doe
I do love archery
2 weeks left
Post by: Butchmeathook on December 14, 2016, 01:27:58 PM
Post by: Whitenuckles on December 14, 2016, 01:52:41 PM
Saw it last week at 77 yards. And my cap didn't go off. I've seen them crawl like cats on multiple hunts. He isn't BSn you. I wish he was. Those big bucks are very sneaky >:(Wait until you see a mature BT buck down on his knees moving behind a screen of ferns. I have caught them belly crawling past an ambush twice and know two other guys who have as well.
Are you serious? I've never heard of such a thing.
Post by: fishnfur on December 14, 2016, 10:52:17 PM
Post by: Butchmeathook on December 15, 2016, 06:45:52 AM
Post by: Griiz on December 15, 2016, 06:59:59 AM
Saw it last week at 77 yards. And my cap didn't go off. I've seen them crawl like cats on multiple hunts. He isn't BSn you. I wish he was. Those big bucks are very sneaky >:(Wait until you see a mature BT buck down on his knees moving behind a screen of ferns. I have caught them belly crawling past an ambush twice and know two other guys who have as well.
Are you serious? I've never heard of such a thing.
When I was a kid, I had a deer walking right at me in tall grass. When I chambered a round in my gun, he tilted his head up and I saw the top of a nice rack. He whirled, and I believe he ran on his elbows so I couldn't see him very well in the tall grass. That wiley buck got away.
Post by: Bullkllr on December 15, 2016, 07:03:23 AM
Saw it last week at 77 yards. And my cap didn't go off. I've seen them crawl like cats on multiple hunts. He isn't BSn you. I wish he was. Those big bucks are very sneaky >:(Wait until you see a mature BT buck down on his knees moving behind a screen of ferns. I have caught them belly crawling past an ambush twice and know two other guys who have as well.
Are you serious? I've never heard of such a thing.
One year a while back we spooked a buck out of a clearcut. His trail was pretty obvious going into some huntable timber. Followed it about 50 yards and ended up shooting him at about 10 yards as he was crawling through the ferns. Was a smallish one-horned 3 point.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on December 15, 2016, 08:17:35 AM
Post by: Bullkllr on December 15, 2016, 08:34:39 AM
What did you shoot the other horn off?
My buddy shot at him. Claims he couldn't have hit the antler, but I always had a suspicion he might have. Definitely not hit in any other way.
Post by: Butchmeathook on December 15, 2016, 08:47:30 AM
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Post by: Special T on December 15, 2016, 10:32:05 AM
Post by: JDHasty on December 15, 2016, 10:44:13 AM
Boyd Iverson Blacktail Trophy Tactics 2 read his book. I use a 10x50 while still hunting on a chest rig and scan every few steps in good area Archery hunting.
I use my 6x32 Vortex Viper (sadly discontinued) or my 8x42 Nikon EDG constantly when blacktail hunting. I never take the 6x32 up in a stand or into a blind, and use the 8x42 about half the time while still hunting. I keep them in a Badlands chest binocular case and am using tem constantly.
Post by: Special T on December 15, 2016, 11:09:19 AM
Post by: JDHasty on December 15, 2016, 11:13:26 AM
My binds are huge but they gather lots of light in the deep dark timber.
I know three guys who use the old 8x56 Swaro SL Porros. They are huge, these guys are some of the most consistently successful I know on big bucks.
Post by: huntingbaldguy on December 15, 2016, 11:33:27 AM
Post by: Butchmeathook on December 15, 2016, 11:36:05 AM
I will find that book and read it!!! Thank you!!
Post by: JDHasty on December 15, 2016, 11:37:40 AM
Porros have amazing low light clarity, but you basically said why most don't use them. They are massive. Roof prisms have come a long ways though in that category.
Tell me about it! Massive, but amazing in low light. I used Docter Nobilem 8x56 until they got stolen. They have huge prisms and I think they are the number one low light performer ever. I am probably going to either get another pair, or a pair of Nobilem 7x50 center focus again.
Post by: JDHasty on December 15, 2016, 11:38:23 AM
Special T,
I will find that book and read it!!! Thank you!!
I find them in Half Price Books all the time.
Post by: Butchmeathook on December 15, 2016, 12:15:20 PM
Post by: Special T on December 15, 2016, 12:53:16 PM
Just ordered both, they are on there way!!The trophy tactics 2 is just an updated version of the first one. No reason to buy them both.
There is another title by another author I have have heard discussed on here.
Post by: JDHasty on December 15, 2016, 12:55:00 PM
Just ordered both, they are on there way!!The trophy tactics 2 is just an updated version of the first one. No reason to buy them both.
There is another title by another author I have have heard discussed on here.
A cat named Haugen has a book that is pretty good and Cameron Haynes does as well. There is also a guy name Terkla who has a BT hunting book. That about covers all of the books available except there is one by a guy named Higley, but it is more of a story book than a how to improve your success book. There just isn't a lot of material out there that has been published in book form on hunting blacktails. If it is a chapter on hunting BTs that is included in a general deer hunting book it is my experience that it is all poppycock and balderdash with a scoop of bovine excrement on the side.
Post by: Butchmeathook on December 15, 2016, 02:38:09 PM
Post by: AKBowman on December 16, 2016, 07:34:30 AM
I've seen a lot of bucks back in bachelor groups out during the day time feeding with the cold weather we've been having.
In 7 year of hunting BT I've never seen a bachelor group of bucks in December. I've never seen them group back up until they shed and start to grow more than nubs. First I've ever seen bachelor groups of bucks is in March/early April.
That's cool through. I would love to see it in my area.
Post by: SkookumHntr on December 17, 2016, 09:38:21 AM
Post by: scotsman on December 17, 2016, 10:55:52 AM
But they sure get dumb in October. This guy was so tired from staying up all night chasing the girls that he just said "Hey, kill me now it dont get any better." I took a couple of posed pictures and let hom go back to sleep.
Post by: fishnfur on December 17, 2016, 11:04:39 AM
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Post by: Ebfuego on December 22, 2016, 08:50:40 AM
Leo
Post by: Bullkllr on December 22, 2016, 08:58:11 AM
Post by: fishnfur on December 22, 2016, 09:01:07 AM
Post by: Ebfuego on December 22, 2016, 09:03:43 AM
Thank you again and go get them, they're out there.
Post by: Ebfuego on December 22, 2016, 09:05:53 AM
Post by: JDHasty on December 22, 2016, 09:19:33 AM
Yes, I agree that these are the toughest deer to hunt mostly because of the thick brush they love to hide in. You have to go in after them quite a bit. Sometimes they will walk out in front of you because they are curious. This one is from 2005 that made the B&C 33rd with the Official score of 144 for true Columbia Blacktail. There are also Western Wa. Blacktail over at the Olympic range and Cascade Blacktail over here. He was deep 180 yards in the thick forest. I spotted a doe and I didnt even see him then he turned his head. Looked like a tree moving. This other one I got 10/30/16 withing 3 miles of the other. I have harvested 5 out of the past 7 years by just going into the thick.
I was pheasant shooting at one of the west side release sites that has a slough in the back and was in waist deep water in the slough because that was the only way I could really follow the dogs making much forward progress. Lots of down trees, limbs, black berries and other trash.
I had three dogs working in front of me and all three were deer broke and one or two were wearing bells. As I came around a corner in the slough a 130-140 class BT buck literally exploded out of the water less than ten yards in front of me and took off. I was paying attention out where the dogs were working and did not see the buck until he bolted. So I don't know for sure if he was standing in water up to his chest or if he was crouched down and only had his head and neck out of the water.
By the amount of water that went flying I am inclined to believe that he was caught unawares and ended up between me and the dogs and had crouched down in the slough and was going to just hang tough and let us pass by, but when I came around the corner headed right toward him he knew the gig was up.
Nobody hunts this area because it is practically impassable, but it is loaded with pheasants. I am inclined to believe that this buck was used to hiding and letting pheasant hunters walk within yards of him and I never would have seen him if I had not been in the slough.
Post by: Ebfuego on December 22, 2016, 09:36:44 AM
https://www.boone-crockett.org/news/trophyWatch_month.asp?area=news&year=2005&month=12
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