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Title: Tribes at it again...no fish records for 2016
Post by: SpringerFan on December 23, 2016, 10:09:40 AM
Wow....how can this be tolerated? I am at a total loss of words for how our resources are being raped. From elk, deer and fish....what next?

http://tidalexchange.com/2016/12/23/no-coho-catch-reports-sound-tribes-2016/
Title: Re: Tribes at it again...no fish records for 2016
Post by: Special T on December 23, 2016, 10:18:27 AM
I would love to see the wdfw not publish any of its reports for a year and see how the Tribes react.
Title: Re: Tribes at it again...no fish records for 2016
Post by: WSU on December 23, 2016, 10:23:31 AM
Is anyone surprised?
Title: Re: Tribes at it again...no fish records for 2016
Post by: Whitpirate on December 23, 2016, 10:28:16 AM
I'd like to see line caught requirements and the end of nets period.  The Lummi are the only tribe that net the open sound and do it sustainably.  River nets shouldn't exist. 

They won't be getting my fishing dollars this next year except for crab maybe.  I'll go to Canada.
Title: Re: Tribes at it again...no fish records for 2016
Post by: dscubame on December 23, 2016, 10:35:52 AM
Insert broken record Emoji here.
Title: Re: Tribes at it again...no fish records for 2016
Post by: Woodchuck on December 23, 2016, 10:41:52 AM
Keep it civil folks or it goes in the toilet...quickly.
Title: Re: Tribes at it again...no fish records for 2016
Post by: Badhabit on December 23, 2016, 10:58:25 AM
Maybe I'm missing something but isn't NOAA the governing body for salmon harvests?
Title: Re: Tribes at it again...no fish records for 2016
Post by: Curly on December 23, 2016, 11:06:31 AM
I'd like to see line caught requirements and the end of nets period.  The Lummi are the only tribe that net the open sound and do it sustainably.  River nets shouldn't exist. 

They won't be getting my fishing dollars this next year except for crab maybe.  I'll go to Canada.

 :yeah:
Title: Re: Tribes at it again...no fish records for 2016
Post by: mountainman on December 23, 2016, 11:18:57 AM

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I'd like to see line caught requirements and the end of nets period.  The Lummi are the only tribe that net the open sound and do it sustainably.  River nets shouldn't exist. 

They won't be getting my fishing dollars this next year except for crab maybe.  I'll go to Canada.

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Title: Re: Tribes at it again...no fish records for 2016
Post by: duckmen1 on December 23, 2016, 12:56:18 PM
I can get fined for not reporting a crab catch record card with no crabs caught that year a big blank. But thousands to hundreds of thousands of fish go unrecorded ruining fish returns while wdfw says hey let's raise fishing license cost over and over and close these systems down  :bash:
So close to calling It quits in this state

I can't even say I blame tribes for what's going on. It's our own government/wdfw for allowing this madness.

I guess if there is no competition between tribe and recreational fisherman due to tribes saying they are not out catching salmon then we need to open back up opportunity for the recreational fisherman on those rivers. Big example skokomish. Not a single king or silver salmon netted according to skokomish tribe.
Title: Re: Tribes at it again...no fish records for 2016
Post by: Special T on December 23, 2016, 01:56:22 PM
The wdfw is cash poor and afraid of lawsuits. Tribes are cash rich and know they can push the boundaries with out being challenged.
Title: Re: Tribes at it again...no fish records for 2016
Post by: kodiak 907 on December 23, 2016, 01:58:41 PM
The wdfw is cash poor and afraid of lawsuits. Tribes are cash rich and know they can push the boundaries with out being challenged.

 :yeah:
Title: Re: Tribes at it again...no fish records for 2016
Post by: 3nails on December 23, 2016, 02:07:13 PM
 And people will STILL go to a casino....

 
Title: Re: Tribes at it again...no fish records for 2016
Post by: npaull on December 23, 2016, 02:18:28 PM
No separate rules for resources! This separate treatment needs to be abolished for once and for all!
Title: Re: Tribes at it again...no fish records for 2016
Post by: huntnphool on December 23, 2016, 02:21:20 PM
And people will STILL go to a casino....

  :nono:
Title: Re: Tribes at it again...no fish records for 2016
Post by: Wetwoodshunter on December 23, 2016, 02:21:39 PM
Not to stir the pot but, tribal catch is not foyable. Especially when you foyer a governing body that does not govern the tribes. This is a prime example of an article that sounds good, evokes emotion but is not factual. It's a common misunderstanding that the tribes are managed by the state, they are not. The tribes are co-managers with the state, tribes write their own regulations, have agreed to quotas, catch sharing plans, and commercial and ceremonial catch is recorded.

Now google the Northwest Indian Fish Commission website. You can read about some management and projects from the tribes here.
Title: Re: Tribes at it again...no fish records for 2016
Post by: KFhunter on December 23, 2016, 02:25:45 PM
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The tribes are co-managers with the state, tribes write their own regulations, have quotas agreed to quotas, catch sharing plans, and commercial and ceremonial catch is recorded.

If they're co-managers they should let the other half know how many they caught or it isn't much of a partnership.
Title: Re: Tribes at it again...no fish records for 2016
Post by: Wetwoodshunter on December 23, 2016, 02:30:55 PM
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The tribes are co-managers with the state, tribes write their own regulations, have quotas agreed to quotas, catch sharing plans, and commercial and ceremonial catch is recorded.

If they're co-managers they should let the other half know how many they caught or it isn't much of a partnership.

The state has the tribal catch numbers. They are not allowed to release it, it is privileged information since it's related to treaty rights an individual income of specific tribes, or tribal members
Title: Re: Tribes at it again...no fish records for 2016
Post by: KFhunter on December 23, 2016, 02:32:03 PM
Thanks for the clarification
Title: Re: Tribes at it again...no fish records for 2016
Post by: yum tag soup on December 23, 2016, 03:30:52 PM
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The tribes are co-managers with the state, tribes write their own regulations, have quotas agreed to quotas, catch sharing plans, and commercial and ceremonial catch is recorded.

If they're co-managers they should let the other half know how many they caught or it isn't much of a partnership.

The state has the tribal catch numbers. They are not allowed to release it, it is privileged information since it's related to treaty rights an individual income of specific tribes, or tribal members
so the state never reveals tribal fish numbers?
Title: Re: Tribes at it again...no fish records for 2016
Post by: huntnfmly on December 23, 2016, 03:46:03 PM
Privileged info. My derriere
Title: Re: Tribes at it again...no fish records for 2016
Post by: yum tag soup on December 23, 2016, 04:10:47 PM
A little story related to Indians netting fish. This last summer my 5yr old and I were tinkering around the peir in hoodsport when one of the native netting boats pulls up. I ask him how the fishing is going and he says pretty good. He looks at my little boy and asks he he wants to see a fish. My boy gets all excited and says yes so we walk over to the boat and the guy holds up a nice king. I then notice my kid isn't looking at the fish but looking around the inside of the boat. I ask what he's looking for and he says, dad, where's his fishing pole? Priceless!
Title: Re: Tribes at it again...no fish records for 2016
Post by: Curly on December 23, 2016, 04:13:38 PM
 :chuckle: great story.  :tup:
Title: Re: Tribes at it again...no fish records for 2016
Post by: SpringerFan on December 23, 2016, 05:28:25 PM
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The tribes are co-managers with the state, tribes write their own regulations, have quotas agreed to quotas, catch sharing plans, and commercial and ceremonial catch is recorded.

If they're co-managers they should let the other half know how many they caught or it isn't much of a partnership.

The state has the tribal catch numbers. They are not allowed to release it, it is privileged information since it's related to treaty rights an individual income of specific tribes, or tribal members
so the state never reveals tribal fish numbers?

And there is the problem...no transperancy because of a treaty that is obsolete.

Such crap.
Title: Re: Tribes at it again...no fish records for 2016
Post by: bigtex on December 23, 2016, 05:56:19 PM
Not to stir the pot but, tribal catch is not foyable. Especially when you foyer a governing body that does not govern the tribes. This is a prime example of an article that sounds good, evokes emotion but is not factual. It's a common misunderstanding that the tribes are managed by the state, they are not. The tribes are co-managers with the state, tribes write their own regulations, have agreed to quotas, catch sharing plans, and commercial and ceremonial catch is recorded.

Now google the Northwest Indian Fish Commission website. You can read about some management and projects from the tribes here.
:yeah:

This isn't a quality article. NWIFC does provide good info for their tribes, including big game harvest reports.
Title: Re: Tribes at it again...no fish records for 2016
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on December 23, 2016, 06:14:00 PM
Not to stir the pot but, tribal catch is not foyable. Especially when you foyer a governing body that does not govern the tribes. This is a prime example of an article that sounds good, evokes emotion but is not factual. It's a common misunderstanding that the tribes are managed by the state, they are not. The tribes are co-managers with the state, tribes write their own regulations, have agreed to quotas, catch sharing plans, and commercial and ceremonial catch is recorded.

Now google the Northwest Indian Fish Commission website. You can read about some management and projects from the tribes here.

The banner kind of says it all........ Truth, Law, and Reality Based Washington Wildlife and Fisheries News.

That could be Reality, like Reality TV. In fact reading some of the other articles, it seems more like the National Enquirer.
 :yeah:

This isn't a quality article. NWIFC does provide good info for their tribes, including big game harvest reports.
Title: Re: Tribes at it again...no fish records for 2016
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on December 25, 2016, 06:21:15 PM
And people will STILL go to a casino....
:bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:
Title: Re: Tribes at it again...no fish records for 2016
Post by: mfswallace on December 25, 2016, 07:34:55 PM
Not to stir the pot but, tribal catch is not foyable. Especially when you foyer a governing body that does not govern the tribes. This is a prime example of an article that sounds good, evokes emotion but is not factual. It's a common misunderstanding that the tribes are managed by the state, they are not. The tribes are co-managers with the state, tribes write their own regulations, have agreed to quotas, catch sharing plans, and commercial and ceremonial catch is recorded.

Now google the Northwest Indian Fish Commission website. You can read about some management and projects from the tribes here.
:yeah:

This isn't a quality article. NWIFC does provide good info for their tribes, including big game harvest reports.

Can we see tribal big game harvest numbers?
Title: Re: Tribes at it again...no fish records for 2016
Post by: bigtex on December 25, 2016, 07:40:00 PM
Not to stir the pot but, tribal catch is not foyable. Especially when you foyer a governing body that does not govern the tribes. This is a prime example of an article that sounds good, evokes emotion but is not factual. It's a common misunderstanding that the tribes are managed by the state, they are not. The tribes are co-managers with the state, tribes write their own regulations, have agreed to quotas, catch sharing plans, and commercial and ceremonial catch is recorded.

Now google the Northwest Indian Fish Commission website. You can read about some management and projects from the tribes here.
:yeah:

This isn't a quality article. NWIFC does provide good info for their tribes, including big game harvest reports.
Can we see tribal big game harvest numbers?
Its on their website
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