Post by: bigtex on January 16, 2017, 05:44:10 PM
Post by: bigtex on January 16, 2017, 05:47:59 PM
Post by: Okanagan on January 16, 2017, 06:06:32 PM
Post by: Wanttohuntmore on January 16, 2017, 06:11:35 PM
Post by: EmeraldBullet on January 16, 2017, 06:26:04 PM
I'm sure I'll be in the minority but I don't like this bill. Basically this would mean someone who didn't buy the pass before going on state lands doesn't get penalized as long as they then buy the pass and show it to the judge. Well, then why buy the pass at all? Why not just go to state lands without the pass and if you get caught, oh well pay your $33 to get a pass, show the judge and it's taken care of. It's basically saying you don't have to follow the law :twocents:I totally agree. This bill is BS in my opinion.
I know it's not the same thing, but what if the state did the same thing with buying hunting tags? If you plan on using a service pay for it, if you don't and get caught you should pay a price IMO.
Post by: Okanagan on January 16, 2017, 06:28:59 PM
Post by: dreamunelk on January 16, 2017, 06:29:27 PM
That said I have noticed what DNR and WDFW has done with the funds. DNR camp grounds that I frequent are in the best shape I can remember. They are primitive but, I can see they are spending funds on these. A lot of repairs for boat launches would not have been done with out these funds. Considering they both get something like 8% they are making good use of the funds.
Even though I hate paying I am seeing results that benefit most of us so have voted no.
As for parks I have nothing good to say.
Post by: EmeraldBullet on January 16, 2017, 06:33:49 PM
Next DNR will add a fee to drive on any road designated scenic. After all, people on those roads can enjoy the view of WA State. Then they can add a fee for each wild animal seen along the way, maybe a dollar per elk or bear, 75 cents for a deer or coyote and down to ten cents per squirrel or rabbit. They could monitor animals along the road by satellite and charge by how many could have been seen. If you didn't see it, your tough luck and pay up. Or an easier method of fee would be to average animals seen on each route and charge a flat fee I.e. between Seattle and Spokane: 1.75 deer, .5 elk, .1 bear, 1 coyote, 2 rabbits, 4 turkeys... etc. This is not a toll road fee but a natural resources fund, a way to "give something back" and enhance the outdoors. Hope DNR gives me a free pass for coming up with this idea, though I'm sure they are already considering something like this.LMFAO
Post by: WAcoueshunter on January 16, 2017, 06:44:51 PM
Or....
Are they aiming to gut the use tax (Discover Pass) so public lands are even more underfunded and it will be easier to sell them off?
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 16, 2017, 06:50:54 PM
Post by: GBoyd on January 16, 2017, 06:52:47 PM
It's a shame. Everybody wants to have nice things and they want somebody else to pay for it.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 16, 2017, 06:57:23 PM
Post by: GBoyd on January 16, 2017, 07:02:05 PM
State parks gets 84% of it. Can't hunt in state parks.
Right. Non-hunters are paying an extra tax to use the outdoors, just like hunters have been for a long time.
Post by: hunter399 on January 16, 2017, 07:18:19 PM
Post by: Curly on January 16, 2017, 07:19:36 PM
Post by: Special T on January 16, 2017, 07:25:54 PM
Post by: quadrafire on January 16, 2017, 07:45:15 PM
Post by: bigtex on January 16, 2017, 07:53:43 PM
They can pay for roads,through timber,livestock leases,and the other resorces the state takes off of state land ,I don't like the state land that is landlocked from private land around it , we pay for this pass and can't use some state lands,it's like a private hunting area for the people that own the border land and we have to buy a pass for it .I did buy my pass this year first time and still don't like it .good for them on lower fees for offenders.rant over.The revenue generated from the things you listed are given to education, mainly building schools, which is common in almost all states. There's no way you'll see that change.
Post by: fireweed on January 17, 2017, 08:44:45 AM
The whole concept of charging citizens to go on public land is bad law. But that battle is long past. This bill makes a bad law less onerous. You are correct that it shows open contempt for the Discovery Pass and encourages people to not buy it until caught, and then have no extra penalty. Bravo!
I like your logic. It just weakens the DP and makes it a de-facto voluntary pass.
Post by: fireweed on January 17, 2017, 09:23:01 AM
Post by: Curly on January 17, 2017, 09:27:31 AM
The fee that became the Discover pass was intended to be for "recreational site or lands" which, to key lawmakers (like Blake) meant DEVELOPED recreation sites (trailheads, picnic areas, state parks) but the lands part tacked on to the definition left the door open for the DNR to defined, for themselves, what constituted recreational lands. Which, surprise! the DNR interpreted as pretty much all state land which was open for recreation, not necessarily contained recreation improvements. Logging roads, which were funded by timber sales for timber sales, now became recreational access roads. Much Landlocked DNR land even needs a DP. And as pointed out, 84% of the DP money goes to the state parks, which don't allow many of the activities (hunting, ATV) that DNR land does. The whole system needs revamped for fairness and put back to original intent: to support developed recreation sites.
:yeah:
But with that said, is the proposed HB 1271 going to be a way to get the whole DP revamped? I'd rather they put up a bill to redo the system instead of this bill.
Post by: Special T on January 17, 2017, 09:34:43 AM
The roads built to logging the land is a byproduct of logging is a benifit to us all that has a neglibal additional cost. Since a DP doesn't even allow you behind gates the state isn't doing anything extra AND most of the $ is going to parks not for DNR improvements on facilities. Is the DNR likely doing a good job putting thier sliver to good use? I would bet they are.They can pay for roads,through timber,livestock leases,and the other resorces the state takes off of state land ,I don't like the state land that is landlocked from private land around it , we pay for this pass and can't use some state lands,it's like a private hunting area for the people that own the border land and we have to buy a pass for it .I did buy my pass this year first time and still don't like it .good for them on lower fees for offenders.rant over.The revenue generated from the things you listed are given to education, mainly building schools, which is common in almost all states. There's no way you'll see that change.
My resentment is a direct result of the dishonesty in selling the DP. The only thing I have against the Parks department is the fact that they are benefiting from $ that is not thier user group. Thier user group is not willing to pay for thier "services" with the exception of the boat launch (sportsmen) and overnight campers.
Post by: timberfaller on January 17, 2017, 10:45:23 AM
Once the government is allowed to get away with something, its very hard if not impossible to CORRECT their mistakes!!
Post by: Stein on January 17, 2017, 10:52:44 AM
Post by: boneaddict on January 17, 2017, 10:56:04 AM
Paid my $99 stupid tax this year. For failure to display
What!
What pisses me off is I,bought one of the dang things and they sent me some guys fishing license instead. I forwarded his license on to him, but haven't seen my discover pass yet.
Post by: Dhoey07 on January 17, 2017, 10:59:36 AM
Post by: Bob33 on January 17, 2017, 11:28:27 AM
My use of lands that require a DP are very infrequent: maybe once or twice a year at most. I can understand someone, particularly a hunter, with similarly infrequent access who opts to not purchase a DP and chances being caught. In those instances I do not believe a substantial fine is appropriate.
In my perfect world, the tree hugger who spends large amounts of time in these areas would be fined a more substantial amount than the hunter who has already contributed quite a bit.
Post by: bigtex on January 17, 2017, 02:16:28 PM
Sounds to me like they want the fine money to go to the DP funds instead of the courts. If this goes through there is no reason to buy one until you get caught without one.That's how the funding already works
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on January 17, 2017, 02:39:39 PM
If they don't like it, just repeal it. But this bill :dunno:, just lets a bunch of people not buy and hope they can delay purchase only if they get caught.My sentiment exactly. I don't like the Discover Pass, but this bill sucks, talk about wasting scarce enforcement resources. Either enforce it or repeal it (my preference), but I'm opposed to a wink and a nod law.
Post by: nwbow87 on January 18, 2017, 06:52:05 AM
All in all, this legislation is garbage and it's just another tax on people, trying to recreate in the outdoors.
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Post by: Bofire on January 18, 2017, 10:25:43 AM
Carl
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 18, 2017, 10:38:00 AM
I would absolutely support and 50% discount to sportsmen/women who purchase one with their license, since it seems to mostly be a tax on us.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 18, 2017, 10:56:22 AM
Post by: bigtex on January 18, 2017, 11:00:17 AM
Would people that pay for the toll roads, ferries, express lane (use, not the tax) think it was cool if violators paid the same amount as they did only if they were caught?:yeah:
Great point
Post by: Bob33 on January 18, 2017, 11:18:56 AM
HB 1271 sponsored by Representatives Harmsworth, Muri, Bergquist, Stokesbary, MacEwen, Van Werven, Condotta, Doglio, and Buys would reduce the penalty for not having a Discover Pass from $99 to the actual price of the Discover Pass (currently $33). If you provide proof to the court that you have purchased the pass within 15 days of your citation, the penalty is waived, currently the fine is reduced from $99 to $59.Where do you see that in the bill? The only change I see with respect to the fines is that a rock collecting endorsement can substitute for a Discover Pass.
(6) The penalty for failure to comply with the requirements of this section is ninety-nine dollars. This penalty must be reduced to fifty-nine dollars if an individual provides proof of purchase of a discover pass, or, if applicable, a rock collecting endorsement, to the court within fifteen days after the issuance of the notice of violation.
http://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2015-16/Pdf/Bills/House%20Bills/1271.pdf
Post by: CP on January 18, 2017, 11:25:37 AM
Post by: KFhunter on January 18, 2017, 11:36:26 AM
Post by: bigtex on January 18, 2017, 11:39:12 AM
The link you provided is for 2015-16 billsHB 1271 sponsored by Representatives Harmsworth, Muri, Bergquist, Stokesbary, MacEwen, Van Werven, Condotta, Doglio, and Buys would reduce the penalty for not having a Discover Pass from $99 to the actual price of the Discover Pass (currently $33). If you provide proof to the court that you have purchased the pass within 15 days of your citation, the penalty is waived, currently the fine is reduced from $99 to $59.Where do you see that in the bill? The only change I see with respect to the fines is that a rock collecting endorsement can substitute for a Discover Pass.
(6) The penalty for failure to comply with the requirements of this section is ninety-nine dollars. This penalty must be reduced to fifty-nine dollars if an individual provides proof of purchase of a discover pass, or, if applicable, a rock collecting endorsement, to the court within fifteen days after the issuance of the notice of violation.
http://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2015-16/Pdf/Bills/House%20Bills/1271.pdf
Post by: Bob33 on January 18, 2017, 12:08:21 PM
Please provide a link for the current bill.The link you provided is for 2015-16 billsHB 1271 sponsored by Representatives Harmsworth, Muri, Bergquist, Stokesbary, MacEwen, Van Werven, Condotta, Doglio, and Buys would reduce the penalty for not having a Discover Pass from $99 to the actual price of the Discover Pass (currently $33). If you provide proof to the court that you have purchased the pass within 15 days of your citation, the penalty is waived, currently the fine is reduced from $99 to $59.Where do you see that in the bill? The only change I see with respect to the fines is that a rock collecting endorsement can substitute for a Discover Pass.
(6) The penalty for failure to comply with the requirements of this section is ninety-nine dollars. This penalty must be reduced to fifty-nine dollars if an individual provides proof of purchase of a discover pass, or, if applicable, a rock collecting endorsement, to the court within fifteen days after the issuance of the notice of violation.
http://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2015-16/Pdf/Bills/House%20Bills/1271.pdf
Post by: bigtex on January 18, 2017, 12:13:05 PM
Sorry. Thought I didPlease provide a link for the current bill.The link you provided is for 2015-16 billsHB 1271 sponsored by Representatives Harmsworth, Muri, Bergquist, Stokesbary, MacEwen, Van Werven, Condotta, Doglio, and Buys would reduce the penalty for not having a Discover Pass from $99 to the actual price of the Discover Pass (currently $33). If you provide proof to the court that you have purchased the pass within 15 days of your citation, the penalty is waived, currently the fine is reduced from $99 to $59.Where do you see that in the bill? The only change I see with respect to the fines is that a rock collecting endorsement can substitute for a Discover Pass.
(6) The penalty for failure to comply with the requirements of this section is ninety-nine dollars. This penalty must be reduced to fifty-nine dollars if an individual provides proof of purchase of a discover pass, or, if applicable, a rock collecting endorsement, to the court within fifteen days after the issuance of the notice of violation.
http://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2015-16/Pdf/Bills/House%20Bills/1271.pdf
http://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?BillNumber=1271&Year=2017
Post by: Bob33 on January 18, 2017, 12:18:52 PM
Thanks.Sorry. Thought I didPlease provide a link for the current bill.The link you provided is for 2015-16 billsHB 1271 sponsored by Representatives Harmsworth, Muri, Bergquist, Stokesbary, MacEwen, Van Werven, Condotta, Doglio, and Buys would reduce the penalty for not having a Discover Pass from $99 to the actual price of the Discover Pass (currently $33). If you provide proof to the court that you have purchased the pass within 15 days of your citation, the penalty is waived, currently the fine is reduced from $99 to $59.Where do you see that in the bill? The only change I see with respect to the fines is that a rock collecting endorsement can substitute for a Discover Pass.
(6) The penalty for failure to comply with the requirements of this section is ninety-nine dollars. This penalty must be reduced to fifty-nine dollars if an individual provides proof of purchase of a discover pass, or, if applicable, a rock collecting endorsement, to the court within fifteen days after the issuance of the notice of violation.
http://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2015-16/Pdf/Bills/House%20Bills/1271.pdf
http://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?BillNumber=1271&Year=2017