Post by: 270Shooter on January 25, 2017, 11:03:05 AM
Post by: C-Money on January 25, 2017, 11:24:29 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 25, 2017, 11:26:08 AM
Big bullets and the Winnie are a good match.
Post by: ghosthunter on January 25, 2017, 11:28:46 AM
A lot of guys get real tired of the pounding. Get something you can shoot into retirement.
Post by: 270Shooter on January 25, 2017, 11:45:18 AM
Post by: baker5150 on January 25, 2017, 11:52:27 AM
I'm a 30 cal guy, but hunt with 7mm guys. We all take game. It's just personal preference.
When in doubt, buy both. :)
Post by: Dhoey07 on January 25, 2017, 12:08:09 PM
I don't think you could go wrong in this situation :tup:
Post by: b23 on January 25, 2017, 12:26:34 PM
If your worried about recoil, have a break installed.
I'm a 30 cal guy, but hunt with 7mm guys. We all take game. It's just personal preference.
When in doubt, buy both. :)
:yeah:
I've got a variety of a little bit of everything and like them all for different reasons but for a lot of years the only centerfire rifle I owned was a 300 Weatherby that I used for everything from coyotes to elk and all things in between so I suppose I'm a bit partial to 30 cals as well and if I had to pick between the 7 Rem Mag and 300 Win, I'd have to go with the 300 Win, especially if elk were to be it's primary use.
Post by: Buzz2401 on January 25, 2017, 12:32:49 PM
Post by: Alchase on January 25, 2017, 12:46:27 PM
The 300 WM has more bullet choices in more locations, but I never had a problem finding quality 7MM bullets either.
Both will do what you need very well, don't think you can go wrong with either.
PS: one of the loudest (annoyingly load) rifles I have ever heard was a 7MM with a boss. It will ring your ears.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on January 25, 2017, 01:11:27 PM
Everyone I hunt elk with uses a .338.
Post by: bullfisher on January 25, 2017, 01:14:18 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 25, 2017, 01:16:32 PM
I prefer the 7mm for the BC. A 7mm can reach BC's over .600 or a g7 over .300 at about 160 grains. To match that in a 30 cal you need to shoot a bullet 200 grains plus. If you built a rifle with a reciever that can handle the longer 7mm bullets, you could achieve a g1 bc over .700, which is insane.The 300 really shines with the long heavy bullets the same as a 7 does.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 25, 2017, 01:18:06 PM
IF stepping up from 7mm goto 338. Its kick is no more than the .300 and terminal velocity greater. If not 338 I would stay with popular 7mmThat depends on the 338 chambering. If I were to step up to a 338 it would be one that can push a 300 grain bullet fast. Which would increase the recoil and blast significantly over a 7 or 300.
Everyone I hunt elk with uses a .338.
Post by: JDHasty on January 25, 2017, 01:39:12 PM
If your worried about recoil, have a break installed.
I'm a 30 cal guy, but hunt with 7mm guys. We all take game. It's just personal preference.
When in doubt, buy both. :)
:yeah:
I've got a variety of a little bit of everything and like them all for different reasons but for a lot of years the only centerfire rifle I owned was a 300 Weatherby that I used for everything from coyotes to elk and all things in between so I suppose I'm a bit partial to 30 cals as well and if I had to pick between the 7 Rem Mag and 300 Win, I'd have to go with the 300 Win, especially if elk were to be it's primary use.
For big game I shoot a McMillan stocked Mod 70 Winlite in 300Wby. It is really the only big game bolt action rifle I use. I have a 243 & a 30-06, but never use them. The 300 is just such a versatile rifle.
Post by: huntnphool on January 25, 2017, 01:41:07 PM
Post by: MADMAX on January 25, 2017, 01:45:27 PM
I sold the 300 and kept the 7mag
I like the XCR in 7mag
Post by: NW SURVEYOR on January 25, 2017, 01:47:56 PM
That said, I have been using a .338 Win. Mag for 15 years and have shot about 8 elk with it.
Same thing, dead elk, no tracking.
Both are old Sako Finnbears with 2x7 Vari Xll.
I think the advantage goes to the .338.
If you take a Texas heart shot (never had to) you get more penatration and perhaps an exit wound.
I'm comfortable out to 400 yards with a good reast and no wind with both.
I shoot 225 in the .338 and 160 for the 7MM.
Also hunt deer with both.
I don't notice a big difference in recoil, but they are note plinking rifles.
I want that elk down as quickly as possible, and the .338 does it for me.
All that said, there is a pretty nice looking Tika in 7MM for sale in the HW Classifieds.
I 'd buy look at it if I were you.
Can't go wrong with either.
Good Luck,
Rob.
Post by: kentrek on January 25, 2017, 02:04:18 PM
IF stepping up from 7mm goto 338. Its kick is no more than the .300 and terminal velocity greater. If not 338 I would stay with popular 7mmThat depends on the 338 chambering. If I were to step up to a 338 it would be one that can push a 300 grain bullet fast. Which would increase the recoil and blast significantly over a 7 or 300.
Everyone I hunt elk with uses a .338.
That's only if your thinking long range.....sounds like he's looking for more of an all around killer....338 win would be awesome...with the federal just behind it....by the time you need the 300 grain pills and lots of powder youl prolly want a more long range style rifle configuration
Both the 7mm & 300 will be very versatile and let you grow into shooting as far as you can afford to range an animal
Rifle configuration and bullet style will be a more important decision
Post by: 270Shooter on January 25, 2017, 02:12:35 PM
Overall it looks like it's a toss up between the 2 rounds :chuckle:
Post by: huntnphool on January 25, 2017, 02:14:42 PM
Thanks for the opinions. I should clarify, I'm left handed so my options are fairly limited in that I prefer a left handed bolt. I really like the browning x bolt, but I can only find it in wood stock/ blues barrel. Which isn't really a huge issue I just prefer stainless for a hunting rifle. The x bolt comes with a 26" barrel which would be nice to squeeze a bit more speed out of these rounds over the standard 24" tube.
Overall it looks like it's a toss up between the 2 rounds :chuckle:
Stick with the .270, that way you won't have to change your username. :chuckle:
Post by: 270Shooter on January 25, 2017, 02:16:00 PM
haha the 270 isn't going anywhere I'll likely still pack it around for deer season.Thanks for the opinions. I should clarify, I'm left handed so my options are fairly limited in that I prefer a left handed bolt. I really like the browning x bolt, but I can only find it in wood stock/ blues barrel. Which isn't really a huge issue I just prefer stainless for a hunting rifle. The x bolt comes with a 26" barrel which would be nice to squeeze a bit more speed out of these rounds over the standard 24" tube.
Overall it looks like it's a toss up between the 2 rounds :chuckle:
Stick with the .270, that way you won't have to change your username. :chuckle:
Post by: JJB11B on January 25, 2017, 02:20:31 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 25, 2017, 02:22:17 PM
he did mention 500 yard max shots and long range game eventuallyIF stepping up from 7mm goto 338. Its kick is no more than the .300 and terminal velocity greater. If not 338 I would stay with popular 7mmThat depends on the 338 chambering. If I were to step up to a 338 it would be one that can push a 300 grain bullet fast. Which would increase the recoil and blast significantly over a 7 or 300.
Everyone I hunt elk with uses a .338.
That's only if your thinking long range.....sounds like he's looking for more of an all around killer....338 win would be awesome...with the federal just behind it....by the time you need the 300 grain pills and lots of powder youl prolly want a more long range style rifle configuration
Both the 7mm & 300 will be very versatile and let you grow into shooting as far as you can afford to range an animal
Rifle configuration and bullet style will be a more important decision
Post by: mossback91 on January 25, 2017, 02:25:24 PM
Post by: NW SURVEYOR on January 25, 2017, 02:26:51 PM
Both solid rounds.
Post by: kentrek on January 25, 2017, 02:39:44 PM
he did mention 500 yard max shots and long range game eventuallyIF stepping up from 7mm goto 338. Its kick is no more than the .300 and terminal velocity greater. If not 338 I would stay with popular 7mmThat depends on the 338 chambering. If I were to step up to a 338 it would be one that can push a 300 grain bullet fast. Which would increase the recoil and blast significantly over a 7 or 300.
Everyone I hunt elk with uses a .338.
That's only if your thinking long range.....sounds like he's looking for more of an all around killer....338 win would be awesome...with the federal just behind it....by the time you need the 300 grain pills and lots of powder youl prolly want a more long range style rifle configuration
Both the 7mm & 300 will be very versatile and let you grow into shooting as far as you can afford to range an animal
Rifle configuration and bullet style will be a more important decision
"Long range" is all relative but I wouldn't worry bout a 300 grain cannon till I was shooting/hunting past 1300 yards....it will take him a lot of shooting before growing out of a 7 rem mag or 338 win mag
Just my thoughts, can't go wrong with anything really...except an AR.....just don't go there....
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 25, 2017, 02:43:06 PM
im right there with ya on the big 338 but I personally can't see going up from the 300 win with the heavy bullets available for it. A 300 win with 215 bergers is very impressive ballistically. :twocents:he did mention 500 yard max shots and long range game eventuallyIF stepping up from 7mm goto 338. Its kick is no more than the .300 and terminal velocity greater. If not 338 I would stay with popular 7mmThat depends on the 338 chambering. If I were to step up to a 338 it would be one that can push a 300 grain bullet fast. Which would increase the recoil and blast significantly over a 7 or 300.
Everyone I hunt elk with uses a .338.
That's only if your thinking long range.....sounds like he's looking for more of an all around killer....338 win would be awesome...with the federal just behind it....by the time you need the 300 grain pills and lots of powder youl prolly want a more long range style rifle configuration
Both the 7mm & 300 will be very versatile and let you grow into shooting as far as you can afford to range an animal
Rifle configuration and bullet style will be a more important decision
"Long range" is all relative but I wouldn't worry bout a 300 grain cannon till I was shooting/hunting past 1300 yards....it will take him a lot of shooting before growing out of a 7 rem mag or 338 win mag
Just my thoughts, can't go wrong with anything really...except an AR.....just don't go there....
Post by: Firedogg on January 25, 2017, 02:49:35 PM
Post by: Gringo31 on January 25, 2017, 02:55:48 PM
I think people get too diversified with rifles. I understand the drive to find the perfect rifle for the perfect scenario BUT if you stick with what you are already used to........you will make less mistakes .02
For example, I tell guys who only shoot a few coyotes a year to used their go to hunting rifle. Doesn't matter if a 300 or a 338, it will only build experience and confidence in the rifle you already have.
Post by: JJB11B on January 25, 2017, 03:31:07 PM
Post by: JJB11B on January 25, 2017, 03:33:08 PM
They do make a .300 win AR. I think NEMO makes ithe did mention 500 yard max shots and long range game eventuallyIF stepping up from 7mm goto 338. Its kick is no more than the .300 and terminal velocity greater. If not 338 I would stay with popular 7mmThat depends on the 338 chambering. If I were to step up to a 338 it would be one that can push a 300 grain bullet fast. Which would increase the recoil and blast significantly over a 7 or 300.
Everyone I hunt elk with uses a .338.
That's only if your thinking long range.....sounds like he's looking for more of an all around killer....338 win would be awesome...with the federal just behind it....by the time you need the 300 grain pills and lots of powder youl prolly want a more long range style rifle configuration
Both the 7mm & 300 will be very versatile and let you grow into shooting as far as you can afford to range an animal
Rifle configuration and bullet style will be a more important decision
"Long range" is all relative but I wouldn't worry bout a 300 grain cannon till I was shooting/hunting past 1300 yards....it will take him a lot of shooting before growing out of a 7 rem mag or 338 win mag
Just my thoughts, can't go wrong with anything really...except an AR.....just don't go there....
Post by: Bofire on January 25, 2017, 03:59:22 PM
I switched to 300WM. it did not match the numbers either but it came close. The other thing, totally opinion, I think the 300 puts em down quicker and harder. Killed deer bear, elk, moose etc with it.
As for recoil that has more to do with gun design than cartridge. My current 300 is very soft shooting. As one post mentioned the 280 is a fine cartridge, very close to the 7mag, very soft shooting.
Get a rifle that comes up quick, feels right and kills.
Carl
Post by: kentrek on January 25, 2017, 04:02:34 PM
im right there with ya on the big 338 but I personally can't see going up from the 300 win with the heavy bullets available for it. A 300 win with 215 bergers is very impressive ballistically. :twocents:he did mention 500 yard max shots and long range game eventuallyIF stepping up from 7mm goto 338. Its kick is no more than the .300 and terminal velocity greater. If not 338 I would stay with popular 7mmThat depends on the 338 chambering. If I were to step up to a 338 it would be one that can push a 300 grain bullet fast. Which would increase the recoil and blast significantly over a 7 or 300.
Everyone I hunt elk with uses a .338.
That's only if your thinking long range.....sounds like he's looking for more of an all around killer....338 win would be awesome...with the federal just behind it....by the time you need the 300 grain pills and lots of powder youl prolly want a more long range style rifle configuration
Both the 7mm & 300 will be very versatile and let you grow into shooting as far as you can afford to range an animal
Rifle configuration and bullet style will be a more important decision
"Long range" is all relative but I wouldn't worry bout a 300 grain cannon till I was shooting/hunting past 1300 yards....it will take him a lot of shooting before growing out of a 7 rem mag or 338 win mag
Just my thoughts, can't go wrong with anything really...except an AR.....just don't go there....
Yup it definitely is, the only difference is preference and theory of the diameter & killing power.....I bigger diameter bullet "will" deliver more energy into a target than a skinny one....it's also believed the bigger diameter bullets can deliver hydrostatic shock at much lower velocities
So that's really what it comes down to and it's all very much theory...I need to kill way more to get a better opinion I know that
A 215 berger out of a 300 is an excellent long range choice but is it the "best" choice for 50 yards ?? Or would the 338 with a 250 grain more heavy built bullet have the edge?
From my experience....
it seems at close range the bergers disintegration affect doesn't quite transfer the ft pounds onto the animal like it does on paper...once that bullet slows down tho watch out....the things are wicked
Post by: Mtnwalker on January 25, 2017, 04:55:48 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on January 25, 2017, 05:10:33 PM
A long action rifle that will be taking 500+ Yard shots with any consistency is like begging for a 300wm. In my experience, recoil would not be a factor in deciding between those two.
Post by: MichaelD on January 25, 2017, 05:10:40 PM
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Post by: jackelope on January 25, 2017, 05:12:22 PM
Based on the amount of 300 wm you see for sale on here. I would go with the 7mm.
A lot of guys get real tired of the pounding. Get something you can shoot into retirement.
I'd be curious to know how much difference there really is. I've shot a 7mm Rem Mag that kicked like a damn mule. I can watch bullets break clay targets through the scope with my .300wm. 2 very different rifles though. If you took 2 of the same rifles and shot the 2 different cartridges, how much difference would there really be??
Anybody?
Post by: 270Shooter on January 25, 2017, 05:15:20 PM
You are welcome to run up this way toward Prosser and put some rounds down range with both the 7mm and .300 if you want. My 7mm is in Remington and is currently scoped and the .300 tikka is unscoped, but you could get a feel for both. PM if interested and we can meet up. Michaeli remember talking to you when you were trying to sell that .300 I might take you up that if I can after this weekend, I'll be duck hunting but after this weekend I'll be free.
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Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 25, 2017, 05:20:46 PM
This one hit a shoulder. I've had rib shots with 1-2 inch exit also.
I say for a do all rifle a 300 win and 215 is great for anything you'd come across in wa
Post by: b23 on January 25, 2017, 05:35:54 PM
The 7mm Blaser Mag that is pretty similar to a 7Rem mag. It weighs a little over 10lbs, has a baffle style muzzle brake and shooting the 180 Bergers 3050fps it has minimal felt recoil.
Post by: slm9s on January 25, 2017, 05:36:52 PM
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Post by: bearpaw on January 25, 2017, 06:24:12 PM
"Beware of the man with one rifle"
I think people get too diversified with rifles. I understand the drive to find the perfect rifle for the perfect scenario BUT if you stick with what you are already used to........you will make less mistakes .02
For example, I tell guys who only shoot a few coyotes a year to used their go to hunting rifle. Doesn't matter if a 300 or a 338, it will only build experience and confidence in the rifle you already have.
The other thing, totally opinion, I think the 300 puts em down quicker and harder. Killed deer bear, elk, moose etc with it.
As for recoil that has more to do with gun design than cartridge. My current 300 is very soft shooting. As one post mentioned the 280 is a fine cartridge, very close to the 7mag, very soft shooting.
Get a rifle that comes up quick, feels right and kills.
Carl
:yeah: :yeah: Both excellent comments! Rifle design makes the difference, my 300 Weatherby and 340 Weatherby kick less than most 300's and less than many 7mm's I've shot! Of the two rifles the OP questioned, I would choose the 300 WM, if he ever goes after bigger game it would be a bit better than the 7mm. Put a good recoil pad (limbsaver or similar) on whatever gun you get and it will soften the recoil a good 30% to 40%.
Post by: Alchase on January 25, 2017, 06:53:54 PM
Based on the amount of 300 wm you see for sale on here. I would go with the 7mm.
A lot of guys get real tired of the pounding. Get something you can shoot into retirement.
I'd be curious to know how much difference there really is. I've shot a 7mm Rem Mag that kicked like a damn mule. I can watch bullets break clay targets through the scope with my .300wm. 2 very different rifles though. If you took 2 of the same rifles and shot the 2 different cartridges, how much difference would there really be??
Anybody?
Like I said, the rifle makes a bigger difference then caliber between 300WM and 7MM.
I have a Ruger M77 MkII, in 7mm and I have a Sako Finlight in 300WM.
The Sako is a much better build, has a more solid feel to it, and handles to the recoil a bit better then the Ruger.
I had a Win Model 70 in 300WM, that had noticeably harder recoil then the same Ruger in 7MM.
Post by: bearpaw on January 25, 2017, 06:57:52 PM
Based on the amount of 300 wm you see for sale on here. I would go with the 7mm.
A lot of guys get real tired of the pounding. Get something you can shoot into retirement.
I'd be curious to know how much difference there really is. I've shot a 7mm Rem Mag that kicked like a damn mule. I can watch bullets break clay targets through the scope with my .300wm. 2 very different rifles though. If you took 2 of the same rifles and shot the 2 different cartridges, how much difference would there really be??
Anybody?
Like I said, the rifle makes a bigger difference then caliber between 300WM and 7MM.
I have a Ruger M77 MkII, in 7mm and I have a Sako Finlight in 300WM.
The Sako is a much better build, has a more solid feel to it, and handles to the recoil a bit better then the Ruger.
I had a Win Model 70 in 300WM, that had noticeably harder recoil then the same Ruger in 7MM.
:yeah: Especially the Rugers I have shot all kicked harder than some other brands in the same caliber, but Rugers are very reliable if you don't mind the kick. :chuckle:
Post by: bobcat on January 25, 2017, 07:00:07 PM
Post by: bearpaw on January 25, 2017, 07:09:10 PM
The bullet weight makes a big difference too. If you shoot 150 grain bullets from a 7mm Rem. Mag. and 150 grain bullets from a 300 Win. Mag., and the rifles are the same, recoil will likely be the same. But go to a 180 in the 300 and stay with the 150 in the 7, and that 300 is going to kick quite a bit more.
try some 220's in the 300, equal and opposite reaction :chuckle:
Post by: Jimmybelltown on January 25, 2017, 07:16:05 PM
There was a really good article last couple years in Eastmans hunting journal 7mm vs. 300win that you can probably archive. It really broke it down to brass tacks. Good luck!
Post by: MichaelD on January 25, 2017, 07:17:01 PM
You are welcome to run up this way toward Prosser and put some rounds down range with both the 7mm and .300 if you want. My 7mm is in Remington and is currently scoped and the .300 tikka is unscoped, but you could get a feel for both. PM if interested and we can meet up. Michaeli remember talking to you when you were trying to sell that .300 I might take you up that if I can after this weekend, I'll be duck hunting but after this weekend I'll be free.
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Post by: Reidus on January 25, 2017, 08:00:54 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 25, 2017, 08:23:50 PM
Why not just go with a 6.5 grendal in an ar platform? :dunno::chuckle:
Post by: Taco280AI on January 25, 2017, 08:26:12 PM
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Post by: M_ray on January 26, 2017, 06:17:52 PM
7mm for me, @M_ray :chuckle:
Yep I have a 300WM I hunted with for 20 years and moved to the 7mm 2years ago. Biggest reason for me was to get away from the muzzle break. For whatever reason I can shoot the 7 without but my Savage 300 wallops me minus the break plus I'm real bad about using ear protection while hunting so my ears sting pretty good anymore after a shot. I also wanted to shoot bullets somewhere between 162-170grn and at the time I found better BC's for the 7mm in that range so I went with Berger 168 vld at .617 bc
Post by: JDHasty on January 26, 2017, 07:41:41 PM
7mm for me, @M_ray :chuckle:
Yep I have a 300WM I hunted with for 20 years and moved to the 7mm 2years ago. Biggest reason for me was to get away from the muzzle break. For whatever reason I can shoot the 7 without but my Savage 300 wallops me minus the break plus I'm real bad about using ear protection while hunting so my ears sting pretty good anymore after a shot. I also wanted to shoot bullets somewhere between 162-170grn and at the time I found better BC's for the 7mm in that range so I went with Berger 168 vld at .617 bc
My 300 has a McMillan fiberglass stock and although I hate recoil, I am OK with this rifle. My buddy could not deal with his exact rifle without a brake. I would opt for your fix if that were my situation.
I think shooting a heavily loaded Marlin 1895 for quite a few years, plus 12 gauge 3" magnum slugs has made it so this particular setup in 300 Wby works for my situation just fine.
I don't particularly like touching any of them off though. The good thing is that I also shoot a Model 70 Heavy Varmint in 243 quite a bit and the controls and trigger on both are almost exactly the same.
Post by: jbauch357 on February 04, 2017, 11:28:11 AM
Post by: NW SURVEYOR on February 05, 2017, 06:42:48 AM
If you are looking for a -500 yard rifle with mild recoil for deer and elk, the .280 AI is the ticket.
My 35 year old son has a Model 110 with a Shilen barrel, reworked trigger and a Carlson stock that shoots like a dream.
I have used it for deer and it is easy to carry, light and comfortable over the miles in the field.
You don't need a muzzle brake as it is not over bored, and the report is mild.
We have never played with it out to 500 yards, but I am confident that we would be fine with a bit of tweaking on the POI.
As I mentioned earlier, I have a comfort limit of about 400 yards which works for me.
A nice feature is that you do not need a 26 inch pipe and the lighter rifle is easy to carry.
We can see the day when I will trade him rifles as the Sakos I have are a bit heavy.
I typically use a .338 for Elk and deer with the 7MM Mag rotated in so it does not get lonely.
The .280 is a caliber that you can shoot with confidence and comfort.
We shoot 160 grains for both deer and elk in the .280/7MMs.
Good luck.