Post by: bigtex on January 27, 2017, 05:00:20 PM
Miranda Wecker has been reappointed but if the WA Senate votes against her appointment she is gone.
Larry Carpenter's term ended in December and needs to have Governor Inslee reappoint him.
This movement on the commercial side is a direct result of the feud between Oregon DFW and WA DFW where Oregon has gone back on their word to reduce commercial allocation on the Columbia to increase the recreational allocation.
A form letter is on this link which will send a letter to Inslee and a powerful Senate leader to prevent this things from happening: http://nwsportsmanmag.com/editors-blog/effort-mounted-to-head-off-removal-of-2-washington-fish-commissioners/
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Post by: Boss .300 winmag on January 27, 2017, 08:11:09 PM
When I click the link it says bandwidth limit exceeded
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Post by: olyguy79 on January 27, 2017, 08:13:55 PM
Like bigtex said they both have been very good to hunters and have supported the good changes we've seen.
Obviously the commission is nowhere near perfect but losing these two would NOT be good.
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Post by: Special T on January 27, 2017, 08:21:24 PM
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Post by: Bullkllr on January 28, 2017, 09:29:16 AM
Includes a link to respond to Inslee.
Contact those state congressmen and senators.
Post by: blackdog on January 28, 2017, 09:37:40 AM
Post by: WSU on January 28, 2017, 10:14:59 AM
Can folks use this link to comment about the commissions agenda to almost double our fees?
Want to just come out and say whatever it is you are insinuating?
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 28, 2017, 10:17:56 AM
I'm a little confused. Do we even have any idea of the names of candidates who would replace these people? I don't know about you guys, but I'd like more info about possible replacements. I'm not in love with our wildlife commission and feel no great anxiety at the prospect of losing two of them. They've done us no favors with the wolves, the cost of licenses for the return in investment, or by pressuring the director to clean up his enforcement leadership. What if their replacements are better for hunters and fishers? Before hopping on the bandwagon, assuming these positions are being taken over by evil, salivating gillnet supporters, and writing to the Governor to make sure that these two commissioners keep their seats, let's make sure that's the best choice.
More information is needed before I write the Governor on this.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 28, 2017, 10:27:53 AM
Agree, Pman the commission hasn't really seemed to make a wildlife wonderland; but when one of the strongest voices for the commercials is pushing for their removal, it does seem to make the choice a little easier.
Post by: Bullkllr on January 28, 2017, 10:31:51 AM
Can folks use this link to comment about the commissions agenda to almost double our fees?
I don't see why not.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 28, 2017, 10:38:13 AM
Yes, you can type additional stuff in the text section. It let me put a bunch about ending gillnetting in Washington.Can folks use this link to comment about the commissions agenda to almost double our fees?
I don't see why not.
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 28, 2017, 10:46:55 AM
That link is posted all around the fishing sites too. Probably too busy and can't handle the traffic.
Agree, Pman the commission hasn't really seemed to make a wildlife wonderland; but when one of the strongest voices for the commercials is pushing for their removal, it does seem to make the choice a little easier.
I still say we don't have enough information. I'd like to know who'd replace these commissioners. Is there some way we can compel the Governor (maybe through FOIA), to let us know who he's considering for their replacement?
Post by: bigtex on January 28, 2017, 10:47:56 AM
NoThat link is posted all around the fishing sites too. Probably too busy and can't handle the traffic.
Agree, Pman the commission hasn't really seemed to make a wildlife wonderland; but when one of the strongest voices for the commercials is pushing for their removal, it does seem to make the choice a little easier.
I still say we don't have enough information. I'd like to know who'd replace these commissioners. Is there some way we can compel the Governor (maybe through FOIA), to let us know who he's considering for their replacement?
Post by: Curly on January 28, 2017, 10:57:41 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 28, 2017, 10:58:41 AM
Please provide the names and companies/organizations of any individuals being considered by the Governor, his staff, or other appointee, for those individuals’ possible future appointment to the Fish & Wildlife Commission. Thank you for your attention to my request.
Most Sincerely,
Pianoman
Submit emailed FOIA requests to: publicdisclosure@gov.wa.gov
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 28, 2017, 11:00:30 AM
NoThat link is posted all around the fishing sites too. Probably too busy and can't handle the traffic.
Agree, Pman the commission hasn't really seemed to make a wildlife wonderland; but when one of the strongest voices for the commercials is pushing for their removal, it does seem to make the choice a little easier.
I still say we don't have enough information. I'd like to know who'd replace these commissioners. Is there some way we can compel the Governor (maybe through FOIA), to let us know who he's considering for their replacement?
I respectfully challenge your response with an FOIA request.
Post by: blackdog on January 28, 2017, 11:15:28 AM
Post by: Man Tracker on January 29, 2017, 07:32:44 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 30, 2017, 10:17:10 AM
F&W APPLICANTS:
Jesse Thompson
Harvey Blankenship
Kenneth Raedeke
Gregory Mueller
Molly Bold
Larry Carpenter
Dennis Hunsinger
Victor Garcia
Arati Baruah
I have their applications, as well.
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 30, 2017, 10:20:55 AM
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Post by: olyguy79 on January 30, 2017, 10:40:12 AM
There's some pretty interesting reading in there. I haven't opened all of them.Seems like more than half are from the commercial fishing industry.
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Post by: pianoman9701 on January 30, 2017, 10:46:56 AM
Post by: WSU on January 30, 2017, 10:54:10 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 30, 2017, 11:00:42 AM
There's some pretty interesting reading in there. I haven't opened all of them.Seems like more than half are from the commercial fishing industry.
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Looks to me like Carpenter and Mueller are commercial fishing guys and Baruah calls herself "an environmental activist".
Post by: olyguy79 on January 30, 2017, 11:03:22 AM
Carpenter is possibly the biggest recreational fishing supporter on the commission. Yes he does run a boat shop.There's some pretty interesting reading in there. I haven't opened all of them.Seems like more than half are from the commercial fishing industry.
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Looks to me like Carpenter and Mueller are commercial fishing guys and Baruah calls herself "an environmental activist".
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Post by: Man Tracker on January 30, 2017, 11:49:00 AM
Post by: WSU on January 30, 2017, 11:52:16 AM
The biggest benefit, that I see, is that they are not inclined to simply rubber stamp the BS from Inslee, the leg or the department staff. They've stood up regarding the commercial and tribal issues as best they can. Without someone to stand up, the commission will go back to being a rubber stamp. It would be a shame to lose them and they are threatened with replacement specifically because they don't toe the party line.
Post by: Tinmaniac on January 30, 2017, 12:17:58 PM
Post by: ucwarden on January 31, 2017, 06:20:48 AM
This is not good! Two of the commission's biggest hunting and recreational fishing supportive Commissioners are up for reappointment and some in the commercial fishing industry are trying to block their reappointment.
Miranda Wecker has been reappointed but if the WA Senate votes against her appointment she is gone.
Larry Carpenter's term ended in December and needs to have Governor Inslee reappoint him.
This movement on the commercial side is a direct result of the feud between Oregon DFW and WA DFW where Oregon has gone back on their word to reduce commercial allocation on the Columbia to increase the recreational allocation.
A form letter is on this link which will send a letter to Inslee and a powerful Senate leader to prevent this things from happening: http://nwsportsmanmag.com/editors-blog/effort-mounted-to-head-off-removal-of-2-washington-fish-commissioners/
To support Miranda Wecker is to support Cenci and the rest of the corrupt crew. Wecker absolutely should be gone. She is not a friend of WDFW enforcement officers, just of certain butt kissing pets of hers.
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 31, 2017, 07:08:46 AM
This is not good! Two of the commission's biggest hunting and recreational fishing supportive Commissioners are up for reappointment and some in the commercial fishing industry are trying to block their reappointment.
Miranda Wecker has been reappointed but if the WA Senate votes against her appointment she is gone.
Larry Carpenter's term ended in December and needs to have Governor Inslee reappoint him.
This movement on the commercial side is a direct result of the feud between Oregon DFW and WA DFW where Oregon has gone back on their word to reduce commercial allocation on the Columbia to increase the recreational allocation.
A form letter is on this link which will send a letter to Inslee and a powerful Senate leader to prevent this things from happening: http://nwsportsmanmag.com/editors-blog/effort-mounted-to-head-off-removal-of-2-washington-fish-commissioners/
To support Miranda Wecker is to support Cenci and the rest of the corrupt crew. Wecker absolutely should be gone. She is not a friend of WDFW enforcement officers, just of certain butt kissing pets of hers.
UC, do you know any of the candidates and if so, any you would recommend for the open spots?
Post by: ucwarden on January 31, 2017, 09:41:28 AM
Unfortunately, I do not. I just know that Wecker has to goThis is not good! Two of the commission's biggest hunting and recreational fishing supportive Commissioners are up for reappointment and some in the commercial fishing industry are trying to block their reappointment.
Miranda Wecker has been reappointed but if the WA Senate votes against her appointment she is gone.
Larry Carpenter's term ended in December and needs to have Governor Inslee reappoint him.
This movement on the commercial side is a direct result of the feud between Oregon DFW and WA DFW where Oregon has gone back on their word to reduce commercial allocation on the Columbia to increase the recreational allocation.
A form letter is on this link which will send a letter to Inslee and a powerful Senate leader to prevent this things from happening: http://nwsportsmanmag.com/editors-blog/effort-mounted-to-head-off-removal-of-2-washington-fish-commissioners/
To support Miranda Wecker is to support Cenci and the rest of the corrupt crew. Wecker absolutely should be gone. She is not a friend of WDFW enforcement officers, just of certain butt kissing pets of hers.
UC, do you know any of the candidates and if so, any you would recommend for the open spots?
Post by: ucwarden on January 31, 2017, 12:38:22 PM
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Post by: olyguy79 on January 31, 2017, 01:33:05 PM
I guess that explains why the commission has done nothing about Cenci.The commission doesn't make personnel decisions. They could certainly put pressure on Unsworth and that doesn't appear to have been done.
A concern I have is let's say Wecker is booted, chances are her replacement will be from the commercial fishing industry simply because most of the applicants have that background. Cenci has a lot of friends in the commercial fishing industry, would anything really change? If anything we'd just see a good voice for recreational fishing disappear.
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Post by: pianoman9701 on January 31, 2017, 01:54:39 PM
Post by: Curly on January 31, 2017, 02:23:14 PM
I guess that explains why the commission has done nothing about Cenci.The commission doesn't make personnel decisions. They could certainly put pressure on Unsworth and that doesn't appear to have been done.
A concern I have is let's say Wecker is booted, chances are her replacement will be from the commercial fishing industry simply because most of the applicants have that background. Cenci has a lot of friends in the commercial fishing industry, would anything really change? If anything we'd just see a good voice for recreational fishing disappear.
Are you telling me that Wecker's personal friendship has NO bearing on any decisions she might make toward removing Cenci? Especially given the fact that she is the chair person, I would think she would have a fair amount of influence.
What has she done that makes her a good voice for recreational fishing? :dunno:
Post by: ucwarden on January 31, 2017, 02:30:36 PM
I guess that explains why the commission has done nothing about Cenci.The commission doesn't make personnel decisions. They could certainly put pressure on Unsworth and that doesn't appear to have been done.
A concern I have is let's say Wecker is booted, chances are her replacement will be from the commercial fishing industry simply because most of the applicants have that background. Cenci has a lot of friends in the commercial fishing industry, would anything really change? If anything we'd just see a good voice for recreational fishing disappear.
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The commission does make one huge personnel decision; they hire, supervise and fire the director at will. You must understand that if the commission wanted to fix the issues in enforcement, they would simply make sure the director got it done. The director may very well have his hands tied by Wecker and the commission, when it comes to enforcement, because of these special favors (ie- cleaning up the mess of a storm). That is exactly why that kind of behavior is considered to be a conflict of interest.
Post by: bigtex on January 31, 2017, 04:20:50 PM
As far as I can see, 3 of the 8 have a commercial fishing background. :dunno:I count four: Thompson, Bold, Blankenship, and Mueller
Thompson, Blankenship, and Barauh can't be appointed if the current commission stays in-tact since you can't have more than one commissioner from a county and they live in a county who already has a WDFW Commissioner.
Let's not also forget anybody can take 10 minutes and apply to the Commission anyday. I'm actually surprised only 8 people have applied since you can apply 24/7/365.
Post by: olyguy79 on January 31, 2017, 04:25:17 PM
I'm not saying that at all. She's friends with just about every WDFW Officer in Pacific County. I'm saying just because you boot Wecker from the commission, it doesn't mean another Cenci lover won't take her place, especially if Inslee appoints a person with commercial fishing interests.I guess that explains why the commission has done nothing about Cenci.The commission doesn't make personnel decisions. They could certainly put pressure on Unsworth and that doesn't appear to have been done.
A concern I have is let's say Wecker is booted, chances are her replacement will be from the commercial fishing industry simply because most of the applicants have that background. Cenci has a lot of friends in the commercial fishing industry, would anything really change? If anything we'd just see a good voice for recreational fishing disappear.
Are you telling me that Wecker's personal friendship has NO bearing on any decisions she might make toward removing Cenci? Especially given the fact that she is the chair person, I would think she would have a fair amount of influence.
What has she done that makes her a good voice for recreational fishing? :dunno:
She's not the Chair.
She was one of the biggest advocates for changing the allocation on the Columbia towards recreational fishing which has been the drama lately as well as the change in allocating more crab towards recreationals in Puget Sound away from the commercials.
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Post by: Curly on January 31, 2017, 04:54:09 PM
Thanks for the response. I had not kept up the last couple of yearsI'm not saying that at all. She's friends with just about every WDFW Officer in Pacific County. I'm saying just because you boot Wecker from the commission, it doesn't mean another Cenci lover won't take her place, especially if Inslee appoints a person with commercial fishing interests.I guess that explains why the commission has done nothing about Cenci.The commission doesn't make personnel decisions. They could certainly put pressure on Unsworth and that doesn't appear to have been done.
A concern I have is let's say Wecker is booted, chances are her replacement will be from the commercial fishing industry simply because most of the applicants have that background. Cenci has a lot of friends in the commercial fishing industry, would anything really change? If anything we'd just see a good voice for recreational fishing disappear.
Are you telling me that Wecker's personal friendship has NO bearing on any decisions she might make toward removing Cenci? Especially given the fact that she is the chair person, I would think she would have a fair amount of influence.
What has she done that makes her a good voice for recreational fishing? :dunno:
She's not the Chair.
She was one of the biggest advocates for changing the allocation on the Columbia towards recreational fishing which has been the drama lately as well as the change in allocating more crab towards recreationals in Puget Sound away from the commercials.
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