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Title: Should I flush my Auto Transmission?
Post by: Pete112288 on February 12, 2017, 07:07:32 AM
So my wife's car started puking out Pepto Bismol colored coolant out of the coolant reservoir overflow yesterday. So the transmission fluid cooler in the radiator is shot. So new radiator and flush the coolant system. Ok no biggie. However the second part of it is where I am getting mixed opinions. Should I have the transmission flushed or not?
I understand a regular transmission fluid change only removes so much of the fluid while a transmission flush will literally flush it all out by pumping new fluid while letting the old drain off. I have heard a lot of people say that a transmission flush is bad and can actually damage the transmission and that they rarely include dropping the pan and putting in a new gasket and filter. However I dont want any residual coolant in there to cause huge issues in the long run. My dad said he was always told a tranny flush is bad. He said just to drop the pan, replace the filter and fluid, and then just do it again in 6 months or so to get it cleaned out more.
I dont know how much a tranny flush would cost anyhow. Oil can Henry's and Jiffy Lube have sketchy reviews on tranny flushes and I heard they dont replace the filter.
Opinions please?
Experiences?
Title: Re: Should I flush my Auto Transmission?
Post by: brush hunter on February 12, 2017, 07:25:51 AM
First question: What kind of car are we taking about?
Second question: How many miles.
Title: Re: Should I flush my Auto Transmission?
Post by: Pete112288 on February 12, 2017, 07:34:19 AM
2003 Dodge Neon SE  approx. 160,000 Miles
Title: Re: Should I flush my Auto Transmission?
Post by: Magnum_Willys on February 12, 2017, 07:47:07 AM
I doubt you have water in the tranny but I would normally flush system and then change filter.  However given book value of the vehicle I would just change filter and drive it. 
Title: Re: Should I flush my Auto Transmission?
Post by: netcoyote on February 12, 2017, 07:50:13 AM
Personally, I would never trust ANY of the quick lube places to get it right. Too many things could go wrong and consequences of doing it wrong are too high. I've always had the opinion that the quick shops don't charge enough to be able to do it right and the dealers charge way too much and a lot of them (not all) still can't do it right.
Your dad's advice sounds like what I would do if it were my vehicle.
Title: Re: Should I flush my Auto Transmission?
Post by: Dhoey07 on February 12, 2017, 08:07:56 AM
Double drain and fill for my truck.
Title: Re: Should I flush my Auto Transmission?
Post by: dontgetcrabs on February 12, 2017, 08:15:31 AM
How is it even possible to get transmission fluid in the cooling system or vice versa?
Title: Re: Should I flush my Auto Transmission?
Post by: Sandberm on February 12, 2017, 08:29:18 AM
How is it even possible to get transmission fluid in the cooling system or vice versa?

Because the transmision cooler is "in" the radiator. Its all one unit so when the "wall"(so to speak) deteriorates between the transmision fluid and the engine coolant...they mix, so you get transmission fluid in the engine coolant and coolant in the transmission...very bad.

How do I know this? We have a 05 Nissan Pathfinder that is famous for this. I stumbled upon something on the internet about it BEFORE our radiator went bad and purchased and installed an after market radiator. My wife ran into a woman at the market who had the same vehicle and her fluids mixed and she had to get a new tranny.

Id drop the pan and change the filter at least twice. Do it, drive it a few miles going through all the gears and then do it again, inspecting the oil each time for signs of coolant. If on the second time you see signs of coolant Id do it a third time. Then, every day for a awhile Id pull the dipstick for the transmission and check for signs of froth or water, bubbles is what you are looking for I think.
Title: Re: Should I flush my Auto Transmission?
Post by: jackelope on February 12, 2017, 08:38:00 AM
General rule of thumb re: transmission flushes with higher miles like that is if it has never been flushed, don't flush it. With that said, my technicians have done literally thousands of transmission flushes and i can't think of ever having a flush cause a problem. The other SOP is when you flush a trans, you don't typically replace the filter. That's a separate operation. The flush pumps fluid backwards and is supposed to back flush the filter, thereby cleaning it. I can't say I've ever seen a before and after to know how well it works, but that's the way it's supposed to work. I believe you got trans fluid in your cooling system because the line pressure is higher. The fluid pushed into the radiator rather  than vice versa. Cooling system doesn't have enough pressure to push itself into the transmission.
I'd at least drop the pan and make sure there's no sign of coolant in the transmission. If there is, I'd flush it completely out. I wouldn't do it at jiffy lube. I've replaced more than one transmission because a cooler line popped off after a jiffy lube type shop's flush job.
Title: Re: Should I flush my Auto Transmission?
Post by: dontgetcrabs on February 12, 2017, 08:42:26 AM
How is it even possible to get transmission fluid in the cooling system or vice versa?

Because the transmision cooler is "in" the radiator. Its all one unit so when the "wall"(so to speak) deteriorates between the transmision fluid and the engine coolant...they mix, so you get transmission fluid in the engine coolant and coolant in the transmission...very bad.

Interesting. All the autos I've owned the radiators had the tranny cooler on the bottom part of the radiator and if it sprung a leak it would just leak onto the ground no way to get into the coolant. But I've never owned an import.
Title: Re: Should I flush my Auto Transmission?
Post by: Sandberm on February 12, 2017, 09:01:47 AM
Did a quick google of my vehicle and this website http://www.nissanproblems.com/trends/coolant-leaks-destroy-transmission/ (http://www.nissanproblems.com/trends/coolant-leaks-destroy-transmission/)says this.

"The transmissions of some 2005–2010 Nissan vehicles are under attack … from radiators. Cracked radiators are leaking coolant into the transmission, and when it mixes with the transmission fluid it creates a toxic hell stew that irreversibly damages everything around it."

Two years later for this guy and his transmission failing

What Owners are Saying

“Like so many others my Xterra had a leak from the radiator that ruined the transmission. I initially had the radiator replaced and the transmission fluid flushed. This was only a bandaid however, and did not fix the problem. I am now about 2 years post radiator replacement and my vehicle is having serious transmission problems. I have been recommended to have a transmission rebuilt but don’t want to spend the money.” – 2005 Xterra owner"
Title: Re: Should I flush my Auto Transmission?
Post by: eastsidemallard74 on February 12, 2017, 10:24:55 AM
Your owners manual recommends the arrive either every 60k or 100k,don't remember.  Drain and fill is sufficient and cheaper,flushes on higher mileage vehicles can stir up crud you don't want in your lines plugging things up creating worse and expensive issues.  As far as puking out your overflow,i would recommend paying for them to check for proper pressures in the engine and Trans to make sure there's no leaks. Water in the trans IS NOT GOOD.
Title: Re: Should I flush my Auto Transmission?
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on February 12, 2017, 10:32:27 AM
I did a flush on my 2004 Ram 2500 last fall, it was shifting hard, the flush fixed that and have had no issues since, but the shop I used is very knowledgeable in what they do, they actually send you out on a thirty minute drive and then recheck the lines and fluid capacity to make sure everything is good to go.   :tup:
Title: Re: Should I flush my Auto Transmission?
Post by: Pete112288 on February 12, 2017, 10:39:49 AM
Thanks everyone for all of the input  :tup:
I think I am just going to drop the pan, new filter and fluids, and then repeat over time depending on how much discoloration or froth or anything I see in the tranny fluid.
There are a couple reasons for this decision.
We were already planning on getting a new car for my wife to replace this one sometime in the next month or tow. Then this will be my beater/daily driver. And I drive crappy, steep, un-maintained DNR roads that just beat the crap out of vehicles. Daily to and from work. And I will still have my pickup so if the car dies we are not down on transportation.
That all combined with that this car has a Blue Book value of like $1300 or so makes me not so willing to sink money into it beyond a certain point.
Title: Should I flush my Auto Transmission?
Post by: jackelope on February 12, 2017, 11:40:04 AM
How is it even possible to get transmission fluid in the cooling system or vice versa?

Because the transmision cooler is "in" the radiator. Its all one unit so when the "wall"(so to speak) deteriorates between the transmision fluid and the engine coolant...they mix, so you get transmission fluid in the engine coolant and coolant in the transmission...very bad.

Interesting. All the autos I've owned the radiators had the tranny cooler on the bottom part of the radiator and if it sprung a leak it would just leak onto the ground no way to get into the coolant. But I've never owned an import.
Those are auxiliary transmission coolers. Not uncommon, foreign or domestic, to have the  transmission cooler be part of the radiator. Probably more common actually.
I just replaced the AC condenser on my Jeep because the transmission cooler was leaking. So there's that....
Title: Re: Should I flush my Auto Transmission?
Post by: Night goat on February 15, 2017, 05:54:23 PM
If in doubt... Just do it. Being prudent never hurt
Title: Re: Should I flush my Auto Transmission?
Post by: garrett89 on February 15, 2017, 06:56:02 PM
Just trade that sucker in at a used auto sales lot.
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