Post by: pianoman9701 on February 13, 2017, 07:07:40 AM
I want the pick up to be 4WD and have a good-sized bed for hauling yard debris, gravel, mulch, etc.
Post by: smittyJ on February 13, 2017, 07:10:33 AM
Post by: MADMAX on February 13, 2017, 07:12:44 AM
sold the diesel,downsized the RV and kept the Tacoma
Post by: cbond3318 on February 13, 2017, 07:17:53 AM
We also looked at the Toyota pick ups, but determined in that price range it was going to come with higher mileage than we would like. :twocents:
Post by: MADMAX on February 13, 2017, 07:22:26 AM
agree 14-18 is going to get you a used toyota with some miles
Post by: WSU on February 13, 2017, 07:45:42 AM
Post by: headshot5 on February 13, 2017, 07:46:27 AM
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Be prepared for some sticker shock in Western WA, prices on used pickups are ridiculous. Check into SE Oregon and Western Montana, its worth the drive to save outside of the beltway.
:yeah:
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 13, 2017, 07:57:13 AM
:yeah:I don't mind a Toyota with 100K or less.
agree 14-18 is going to get you a used toyota with some miles
Post by: jcswamp on February 13, 2017, 08:00:38 AM
For what it is worth I love my 05 ranger 4x4 and am very sad I will have to give it up. That would be my recommendation for you is to find a ranger, it will do everything you need and more.
Post by: cbond3318 on February 13, 2017, 08:59:15 AM
Tagging along, I need to get a new rig that will fit three car seats and still go into the woods myself. Currently thinking about a Nissan Frontier, but have limited experience with them and am on the fence between one of those and a Jeep Grand Cherokee.
For what it is worth I love my 05 ranger 4x4 and am very sad I will have to give it up. That would be my recommendation for you is to find a ranger, it will do everything you need and more.
I know you're not getting 3 car seats in a Cherokee and would doubt in a frontier as well. We have 2 in our cherokee now and there is not room in between them for a 3rd, not to mention my 4 yr old and 2 yr old can rest their feet on my shoulders.
Post by: jcswamp on February 13, 2017, 09:27:38 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 13, 2017, 09:29:07 AM
Post by: cbond3318 on February 13, 2017, 09:46:23 AM
This is my thread! Let's get back on track. :chuckle:
Sorry Pman, I've had 2 Red Bull's this morning. :chuckle:
Toyotas are great rigs. I guess we were looking at Tundras for the size. You may be able to find a decent Tacoma in that range with low "Toyota" miles.
Post by: cavemann on February 13, 2017, 10:04:40 AM
I've put in 3 alternators, 2 window wiper motors and am an expert on failed electric window elevator replacements. I've done 5 of them, 2 on one of the trucks. These are not pleasant when they fail while driving.
The biggest headache is the well know Cam Phaser failures the 5.4 liter are notorious for and I went through on my 2006. I had them replaced and rebuilt only to have it go out again. Ford will give you the run around. My 2011 eco boost had 29k miles on it when I bought it 2 years ago. 2 months into driving it I had the same issue. Rattling on cold start, limp mode, not shifting smooth at 40mph.. Ford swore up and down they have never seen this in V-6. On the way back from hunting with my old man, I had to have him video tape me driving as my truck went into limp mode trying to accelerate while merging. It wasn't until I showed them the video they finally replaced them on this truck.
My next truck will be a Tacoma hands down.. It certainly will not be an F-150, and I was a diehard Ford guy for years...
Post by: Alchase on February 13, 2017, 11:16:25 AM
https://portland.craigslist.org/search/clk/sss?query=toyota+tacoma&min_price=14000&max_price=18000
2010 - 2012 will be a lot higher in price.
Two years ago, when I lived in Puyallup, I went looking for a decent Tacoma 4x4 4 door for a decent price. I searched from Bellingham to Vancouver.
Every Tacoma was priced way above blue book and nobody would negotiate. They are nice trucks, they are not twice the truck as the others on the market. If you are planning on carrying loads of gravel or rock, you will need to replace you leaf springs. Theirs are garbage.
I still want one, I won't pay new truck prices on a Tacoma that is two to four years old.
Post by: jcswamp on February 13, 2017, 01:23:09 PM
This is my thread! Let's get back on track. :chuckle:
Sorry P-Man, my bad! Did not mean to threadjack! :chuckle:
Post by: bearpaw on February 13, 2017, 01:36:51 PM
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Post by: pianoman9701 on February 13, 2017, 01:52:07 PM
Post by: headshot5 on February 13, 2017, 01:55:09 PM
Post by: T-Dozzer on February 13, 2017, 02:58:39 PM
2- a taco will run forever. My 06 has 140k miles on it and is just like new.
3- if you can, stick with a 4 door and the v6. If it means a rig with more miles. You won't be sorry. I have friends who decided they wanted something with less miles or at a lesser price and settled for a club cab or 4 cyl. They all regretted it.
4- every grand Cherokee we have had has been a money pit.
5- stay away from Michael's Toyota in Bellevue
Post by: Special T on February 13, 2017, 03:16:59 PM
Post by: JJB11B on February 13, 2017, 03:18:53 PM
The Tacomas are great trucks but recently there have been reports of premature frame rusting on a couple of years.there was a letter sent out recently about that, take it to any dealer and they will be covering a rental while they inspect and repair the frame. Toyota Tacoma's have the strongest running gear you'll find in that class of pickup. PLUS you can get them in a 6 Spd Manual with a 300HP V6
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on February 13, 2017, 03:53:56 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 13, 2017, 07:29:37 PM
What motor is in the grand Cherokee pman? In line 6 or the v8? I'm a pretty big fan for the standards Cherokee with the in line 6. I'm loving mine and should have bought one years ago. I have friends with newer ones they really seem to like them. The grand Cherokee seem to have more comfort and more problems.
It's a 6 and I replaced the engine at 117,000 miles. Also replaced actuators, heater core, water pump, brakes and rotors and calipers x3, replaced seats. I can't recommend it enough! :tup:
Post by: JimmyHoffa on February 13, 2017, 07:39:38 PM
Post by: Special T on February 13, 2017, 10:01:28 PM
Wow that motor is pretty bullet proof. Mine. Had 276k on it.What motor is in the grand Cherokee pman? In line 6 or the v8? I'm a pretty big fan for the standards Cherokee with the in line 6. I'm loving mine and should have bought one years ago. I have friends with newer ones they really seem to like them. The grand Cherokee seem to have more comfort and more problems.
It's a 6 and I replaced the engine at 117,000 miles. Also replaced actuators, heater core, water pump, brakes and rotors and calipers x3, replaced seats. I can't recommend it enough! :tup:
Post by: thinkingman on February 13, 2017, 10:03:13 PM
You sure about that?The Tacomas are great trucks but recently there have been reports of premature frame rusting on a couple of years.there was a letter sent out recently about that, take it to any dealer and they will be covering a rental while they inspect and repair the frame. Toyota Tacoma's have the strongest running gear you'll find in that class of pickup. PLUS you can get them in a 6 Spd Manual with a 300HP V6
Post by: Duckslayer89 on February 13, 2017, 10:14:34 PM
I want to get rid of the Grand Cherokee Laredo before it costs me any more money and was thinking about a Tacoma with a full bed, probably 2010-2012. What do you guys think of them and do you have other suggestions for a truck I could buy in the $14-18K range?
I want the pick up to be 4WD and have a good-sized bed for hauling yard debris, gravel, mulch, etc.
LOVE my Tacoma. I bought it with 55k for 13,500. Completely clean title.
2007 access cab 4x4 sr5 manual transmission.
3 inch lift and 33 inch tires.
Found a guy who was desperate. Wanted 18,500 and I low balled him and he took it. Deals are out there. I have 140,000 on it now and it's been great. I did the U JOINTS and wheel bearings but probably didn't HAVE to. Just did it.
Post by: Duckslayer89 on February 13, 2017, 10:18:05 PM
You sure about that?The Tacomas are great trucks but recently there have been reports of premature frame rusting on a couple of years.there was a letter sent out recently about that, take it to any dealer and they will be covering a rental while they inspect and repair the frame. Toyota Tacoma's have the strongest running gear you'll find in that class of pickup. PLUS you can get them in a 6 Spd Manual with a 300HP V6
It's like 265 horse power. My Toyota has tons of power and I'm pushing 33s. Also if you take your Tacoma in they inspect the frame. If there's an issue they replace it for free. Just got a new set of leaf springs installed for free actually. 1600 dollar job cost me nothing because of a recall. Don't hesitate to buy one
Today out checking my sisters new property, truck came exactly as pictured except I bought new wheels and tires after originals wore out. Any mods know how to rotate pic?
Post by: Fl0und3rz on February 14, 2017, 07:01:32 AM
Post by: JL on February 14, 2017, 06:47:26 PM
I had a 95 Tacoma 4 banger which was recalled because of a frame corrosion issue around '07 or so in New England. I believe it had about 125K miles on it? They "took" it from me for $8,000 which, at the time, I thought was a great offer. What a great little rig that was for a 21 year old stationed at Bragg. I took that thing as deep into the Appalachian's as you could go.
Post by: garrett89 on February 14, 2017, 07:00:29 PM
I want to get rid of the Grand Cherokee Laredo before it costs me any more money and was thinking about a Tacoma with a full bed, probably 2010-2012. What do you guys think of them and do you have other suggestions for a truck I could buy in the $14-18K range?
I want the pick up to be 4WD and have a good-sized bed for hauling yard debris, gravel, mulch, etc.
LOVE my Tacoma. I bought it with 55k for 13,500. Completely clean title.
2007 access cab 4x4 sr5 manual transmission.
3 inch lift and 33 inch tires.
Found a guy who was desperate. Wanted 18,500 and I low balled him and he took it. Deals are out there. I have 140,000 on it now and it's been great. I did the U JOINTS and wheel bearings but probably didn't HAVE to. Just did it.
What a steal. I'm looking for one now as well. My wife got me to buy a stupid 2000 expedition about 2 years ago and it's just under 300,000 miles and it has way too many problems to list after I got it fix 3-4 times.
Post by: JJB11B on February 14, 2017, 07:39:43 PM
well if you really need me to Ill take a picture of the card I got in the mail and post it on the forum....You sure about that?The Tacomas are great trucks but recently there have been reports of premature frame rusting on a couple of years.there was a letter sent out recently about that, take it to any dealer and they will be covering a rental while they inspect and repair the frame. Toyota Tacoma's have the strongest running gear you'll find in that class of pickup. PLUS you can get them in a 6 Spd Manual with a 300HP V6
Post by: Special T on February 14, 2017, 08:32:42 PM
The Grand's came with a V in front of the 6 though, correct? I thought the inline's went out soon following the AMC acquisition?Some came withbtheb4 liter depending on year. Www.jeepforum.com
I had a 95 Tacoma 4 banger which was recalled because of a frame corrosion issue around '07 or so in New England. I believe it had about 125K miles on it? They "took" it from me for $8,000 which, at the time, I thought was a great offer. What a great little rig that was for a 21 year old stationed at Bragg. I took that thing as deep into the Appalachian's as you could go.
Post by: thinkingman on February 14, 2017, 09:27:33 PM
They said the frame inspection expired LAST MARCH and told me to suck it.
Do a search on this forum for my experience with the leaf spring recall.
My 95 Grand Cherokee was an awesome rig with solid axles, inline 6cyl and a much more advanced 4wd system than what you can get on a Toyota today.
All it needed was basic maintenance and an ac condenser which Jeep was happy to warranty.
I replaced the original battery at 112k miles before I sold it to my BIL.
Great rigs.
Post by: JJB11B on February 14, 2017, 09:32:11 PM
I just called Toyota last week for a frame inspection on my 2006 Tacoma.There was a lawsuit filed against them for that. you should try again. If I remember when I get home I'll take a picture of the card I got in the mail and post it here
They said the frame inspection expired LAST MARCH and told me to suck it.
Do a search on this forum for my experience with the leaf spring recall.
My 95 Grand Cherokee was an awesome rig with solid axles, inline 6cyl and a much more advanced 4wd system than what you can get on a Toyota today.
All it needed was basic maintenance and an ac condenser which Jeep was happy to warranty.
I replaced the original battery at 112k miles before I sold it to my BIL.
Great rigs.
Post by: jackelope on February 14, 2017, 10:40:37 PM
Grand Cherokee didn't have a v6 until 2005 with the WK body style and the 3.7L v6. Up till then, the 6 cylinder engine was a mostly bombproof inline 4.0L.The Grand's came with a V in front of the 6 though, correct? I thought the inline's went out soon following the AMC acquisition?Some came withbtheb4 liter depending on year. Www.jeepforum.com
I had a 95 Tacoma 4 banger which was recalled because of a frame corrosion issue around '07 or so in New England. I believe it had about 125K miles on it? They "took" it from me for $8,000 which, at the time, I thought was a great offer. What a great little rig that was for a 21 year old stationed at Bragg. I took that thing as deep into the Appalachian's as you could go.
Post by: jackelope on February 14, 2017, 10:43:36 PM
I just called Toyota last week for a frame inspection on my 2006 Tacoma.I made lots of mortgage payments selling service and repairs on Grand Cherokees. I love them too.
They said the frame inspection expired LAST MARCH and told me to suck it.
Do a search on this forum for my experience with the leaf spring recall.
My 95 Grand Cherokee was an awesome rig with solid axles, inline 6cyl and a much more advanced 4wd system than what you can get on a Toyota today.
All it needed was basic maintenance and an ac condenser which Jeep was happy to warranty.
I replaced the original battery at 112k miles before I sold it to my BIL.
Great rigs.
I still drive one and mine has been a mostly great vehicle. Just replaced the a/c condenser/transmission cooler on it because it was leaking transmission fluid at 160k. I'm on my 3rd battery and I replaced brakes a few times per axle now.
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 15, 2017, 05:54:14 AM
Post by: jackelope on February 15, 2017, 07:07:19 AM
Lots of good infor, thanks gang. I'll be sure to have the rame checked out. as far as the 6 cyl being bomb-proof, I must've got a lemon. I've done so many repairs on this thing it's not funny. Been trouble-free for a few years but I can feel the driver's seat starting to stretch back. I need a new rig.
Remember, I said bombproof engine, not bombproof rest of the car. Surprised you haven't had differential issues. That was the big money ticket on those rigs. I've run many, many Grand Cherokees through the shop and had very, very few 4.0 engine issues. Cracked exhaust manifolds and valve covers leaking oil were the only consistent issues, and technically, only one of those is specifically an engine issue.
I don't think you can go wrong with a Tacoma. I don't think I'd ever buy one because they're not comfortable to me...but I really only like full sized rigs. Their repair history is confidence building for sure.
Post by: Special T on February 15, 2017, 07:14:46 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 15, 2017, 07:51:37 AM
Post by: thinkingman on February 15, 2017, 09:14:54 AM
I got the card, too...Toyota told me to suck it when I reported the sagging leafs in 2010('We don't make cars that have sagging leafs') so I replaced the rear suspension out of pocket and now when I express concerns over my frame, which is a known issue, Toyota says 'If you want to do something about it, file a class action lawsuit against a multi-national conglomerate with deep pockets and a legal team on staff'.I just called Toyota last week for a frame inspection on my 2006 Tacoma.There was a lawsuit filed against them for that. you should try again. If I remember when I get home I'll take a picture of the card I got in the mail and post it here
They said the frame inspection expired LAST MARCH and told me to suck it.
Do a search on this forum for my experience with the leaf spring recall.
My 95 Grand Cherokee was an awesome rig with solid axles, inline 6cyl and a much more advanced 4wd system than what you can get on a Toyota today.
All it needed was basic maintenance and an ac condenser which Jeep was happy to warranty.
I replaced the original battery at 112k miles before I sold it to my BIL.
Great rigs.
So now we are blessing a car that lacks a suitable frame and rear springs?
I must be really confused about the expectations for a 'truck'.
Post by: jackelope on February 15, 2017, 11:36:53 AM
I got the card, too...Toyota told me to suck it when I reported the sagging leafs in 2010('We don't make cars that have sagging leafs') so I replaced the rear suspension out of pocket and now when I express concerns over my frame, which is a known issue, Toyota says 'If you want to do something about it, file a class action lawsuit against a multi-national conglomerate with deep pockets and a legal team on staff'.I just called Toyota last week for a frame inspection on my 2006 Tacoma.There was a lawsuit filed against them for that. you should try again. If I remember when I get home I'll take a picture of the card I got in the mail and post it here
They said the frame inspection expired LAST MARCH and told me to suck it.
Do a search on this forum for my experience with the leaf spring recall.
My 95 Grand Cherokee was an awesome rig with solid axles, inline 6cyl and a much more advanced 4wd system than what you can get on a Toyota today.
All it needed was basic maintenance and an ac condenser which Jeep was happy to warranty.
I replaced the original battery at 112k miles before I sold it to my BIL.
Great rigs.
So now we are blessing a car that lacks a suitable frame and rear springs?
I must be really confused about the expectations for a 'truck'.
Looks like you had till 3/31/16 to have it inspected. They released that 3/20/2015. You had a year.
:dunno:
Post by: Alchase on February 15, 2017, 12:16:22 PM
I thought they got rid of that problem back in the early 90s?
He put a small bucket of "crusher-run" in the back, by the time he drove the mile home his nose was pointing up. He took it in and they replaced the shot leafs with the same stock leafs. Not a month later the same thing happened (did not ask what he was carrying this time) Toyota told him to pack sand.
I used my lowly 2007 Dakota with a 3.7 to hall 8 more loads of crusher run to finish his backfill.
He has since replaced the rear leafs with after market leafs and shackles, he now points straight down the road again.
Very pretty truck!
Post by: thinkingman on February 15, 2017, 10:00:04 PM
I had it inspected about 3 or 4 years ago when I first learned of the problem.I got the card, too...Toyota told me to suck it when I reported the sagging leafs in 2010('We don't make cars that have sagging leafs') so I replaced the rear suspension out of pocket and now when I express concerns over my frame, which is a known issue, Toyota says 'If you want to do something about it, file a class action lawsuit against a multi-national conglomerate with deep pockets and a legal team on staff'.I just called Toyota last week for a frame inspection on my 2006 Tacoma.There was a lawsuit filed against them for that. you should try again. If I remember when I get home I'll take a picture of the card I got in the mail and post it here
They said the frame inspection expired LAST MARCH and told me to suck it.
Do a search on this forum for my experience with the leaf spring recall.
My 95 Grand Cherokee was an awesome rig with solid axles, inline 6cyl and a much more advanced 4wd system than what you can get on a Toyota today.
All it needed was basic maintenance and an ac condenser which Jeep was happy to warranty.
I replaced the original battery at 112k miles before I sold it to my BIL.
Great rigs.
So now we are blessing a car that lacks a suitable frame and rear springs?
I must be really confused about the expectations for a 'truck'.
Looks like you had till 3/31/16 to have it inspected. They released that 3/20/2015. You had a year.
:dunno:
They said it was fine then.
I was under it changing the tranny oil last month and noticed some spots that concern me. Apparently frame rot and customer safety are limited-time concepts.
I can't say enough bad things about Toyota and their arrogance.
Still waiting on my leaf spring reimbursement like they ever intended to honor that.
Truly fascinating.
Post by: jackelope on February 15, 2017, 10:24:24 PM
Post by: Duckslayer89 on February 15, 2017, 10:33:19 PM
I had it inspected about 3 or 4 years ago when I first learned of the problem.I got the card, too...Toyota told me to suck it when I reported the sagging leafs in 2010('We don't make cars that have sagging leafs') so I replaced the rear suspension out of pocket and now when I express concerns over my frame, which is a known issue, Toyota says 'If you want to do something about it, file a class action lawsuit against a multi-national conglomerate with deep pockets and a legal team on staff'.I just called Toyota last week for a frame inspection on my 2006 Tacoma.There was a lawsuit filed against them for that. you should try again. If I remember when I get home I'll take a picture of the card I got in the mail and post it here
They said the frame inspection expired LAST MARCH and told me to suck it.
Do a search on this forum for my experience with the leaf spring recall.
My 95 Grand Cherokee was an awesome rig with solid axles, inline 6cyl and a much more advanced 4wd system than what you can get on a Toyota today.
All it needed was basic maintenance and an ac condenser which Jeep was happy to warranty.
I replaced the original battery at 112k miles before I sold it to my BIL.
Great rigs.
So now we are blessing a car that lacks a suitable frame and rear springs?
I must be really confused about the expectations for a 'truck'.
Looks like you had till 3/31/16 to have it inspected. They released that 3/20/2015. You had a year.
:dunno:
They said it was fine then.
I was under it changing the tranny oil last month and noticed some spots that concern me. Apparently frame rot and customer safety are limited-time concepts.
I can't say enough bad things about Toyota and their arrogance.
Still waiting on my leaf spring reimbursement like they ever intended to honor that.
Truly fascinating.
Reimbursement? I took mine in, like 6 hours later had a brand new 4 pack leaf installed worth about 1350 bucks for free with no charge at all and they are bad ass. Toyota of puyallup
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 16, 2017, 05:21:31 AM
Post by: MADMAX on February 16, 2017, 05:33:36 AM
not gutless at all
I will have them inspect the leaf springs though based on what I have read on here
thanks for that
Post by: huntingfool7 on February 16, 2017, 07:01:11 AM
My next door neighbor has an 2011 4 door TRD Taco, beautiful rig, except the shot Leaf springs and his frontdiskrotor assemblies have warped.
I thought they got rid of that problem back in the early 90s?
He put a small bucket of "crusher-run" in the back, by the time he drove the mile home his nose was pointing up. He took it in and they replaced the shot leafs with the same stock leafs. Not a month later the same thing happened (did not ask what he was carrying this time) Toyota told him to pack sand.
I used my lowly 2007 Dakota with a 3.7 to hall 8 more loads of crusher run to finish his backfill.
He has since replaced the rear leafs with after market leafs and shackles, he now points straight down the road again.
Very pretty truck!
10 small loads of rock and a beat truck. Wonder how much money was saved by not hiring a driver/dump rig for one load?
Go Toyota or Nissan and you'll be a happy Pianoman. Everyone I've known with a Grand Cherokee has had lots of issues. They come with an expiration date. Kinda like owning a Buick.
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 16, 2017, 07:22:38 AM
Post by: Duckslayer89 on February 16, 2017, 07:25:18 AM
Which Nissan should I look at in the same class as the Tacoma?
Frontier would be the same class. I've heard the Titans have some issue with antifreeze getting into the tranny fluid. My brother has a 2008 Frontier V6 4x4. I have a 2007 Tacoma 4x4. They are both great, but I'm a Toyota guy and he's a Nissan guy.
Post by: thinkingman on February 16, 2017, 07:40:36 AM
Did you go to the dealer or to Toyota corporate for assistance?Of course.
Post by: thinkingman on February 16, 2017, 07:44:52 AM
No, they are not '--------'.I had it inspected about 3 or 4 years ago when I first learned of the problem.I got the card, too...Toyota told me to suck it when I reported the sagging leafs in 2010('We don't make cars that have sagging leafs') so I replaced the rear suspension out of pocket and now when I express concerns over my frame, which is a known issue, Toyota says 'If you want to do something about it, file a class action lawsuit against a multi-national conglomerate with deep pockets and a legal team on staff'.I just called Toyota last week for a frame inspection on my 2006 Tacoma.There was a lawsuit filed against them for that. you should try again. If I remember when I get home I'll take a picture of the card I got in the mail and post it here
They said the frame inspection expired LAST MARCH and told me to suck it.
Do a search on this forum for my experience with the leaf spring recall.
My 95 Grand Cherokee was an awesome rig with solid axles, inline 6cyl and a much more advanced 4wd system than what you can get on a Toyota today.
All it needed was basic maintenance and an ac condenser which Jeep was happy to warranty.
I replaced the original battery at 112k miles before I sold it to my BIL.
Great rigs.
So now we are blessing a car that lacks a suitable frame and rear springs?
I must be really confused about the expectations for a 'truck'.
Looks like you had till 3/31/16 to have it inspected. They released that 3/20/2015. You had a year.
:dunno:
They said it was fine then.
I was under it changing the tranny oil last month and noticed some spots that concern me. Apparently frame rot and customer safety are limited-time concepts.
I can't say enough bad things about Toyota and their arrogance.
Still waiting on my leaf spring reimbursement like they ever intended to honor that.
Truly fascinating.
Reimbursement? I took mine in, like 6 hours later had a brand new 4 pack leaf installed worth about 1350 bucks for free with no charge at all and they are bad ass. Toyota of puyallup
They are barely passable.
This has been beaten to death on Tacomaworld.com and others.
When I told Toyota I had flat leaf 'springs' in 2010, they told me I was wrong and on my own to fix them, so I did.
If you want '-------' springs, you're not going to get them from Toyota.
Try OME and Bilstein (real Bilsteins, not the crappy car shocks Toyota uses on the TeRD to make people think they have something decent).
(Please refrain from the profanity. We try to maintain a family friendly forum here. Thanks)
Post by: Duckslayer89 on February 16, 2017, 07:49:17 AM
No, they are not '-'.I had it inspected about 3 or 4 years ago when I first learned of the problem.I got the card, too...Toyota told me to suck it when I reported the sagging leafs in 2010('We don't make cars that have sagging leafs') so I replaced the rear suspension out of pocket and now when I express concerns over my frame, which is a known issue, Toyota says 'If you want to do something about it, file a class action lawsuit against a multi-national conglomerate with deep pockets and a legal team on staff'.I just called Toyota last week for a frame inspection on my 2006 Tacoma.There was a lawsuit filed against them for that. you should try again. If I remember when I get home I'll take a picture of the card I got in the mail and post it here
They said the frame inspection expired LAST MARCH and told me to suck it.
Do a search on this forum for my experience with the leaf spring recall.
My 95 Grand Cherokee was an awesome rig with solid axles, inline 6cyl and a much more advanced 4wd system than what you can get on a Toyota today.
All it needed was basic maintenance and an ac condenser which Jeep was happy to warranty.
I replaced the original battery at 112k miles before I sold it to my BIL.
Great rigs.
So now we are blessing a car that lacks a suitable frame and rear springs?
I must be really confused about the expectations for a 'truck'.
Looks like you had till 3/31/16 to have it inspected. They released that 3/20/2015. You had a year.
:dunno:
They said it was fine then.
I was under it changing the tranny oil last month and noticed some spots that concern me. Apparently frame rot and customer safety are limited-time concepts.
I can't say enough bad things about Toyota and their arrogance.
Still waiting on my leaf spring reimbursement like they ever intended to honor that.
Truly fascinating.
Reimbursement? I took mine in, like 6 hours later had a brand new 4 pack leaf installed worth about 1350 bucks for free with no charge at all and they are bad ass. Toyota of puyallup
They are barely passable.
This has been beaten to death on Tacomaworld.com and others.
When I told Toyota I had flat leaf 'springs' in 2010, they told me I was wrong and on my own to fix them, so I did.
If you want '-' springs, you're not going to get them from Toyota.
Try OME and Bilstein (real Bilsteins, not the crappy car shocks Toyota uses on the TeRD to make people think they have something decent).
If I bought after market springs I would probably go with dakars
Post by: jackelope on February 16, 2017, 08:04:52 AM
Did you go to the dealer or to Toyota corporate for assistance?Of course.
That was a one or the other question. Dealer or manufacturer?
Post by: thinkingman on February 16, 2017, 08:43:49 AM
Sorry, manufacturer.Did you go to the dealer or to Toyota corporate for assistance?Of course.
OME Dakars are really great replacements.
I didn't want the 3" lift they provide and found that removing the 3rd leaf set it down to just above stock height. Perfectly level with OME 883 front springs and none of the bearing/geometry issues with a higher lift.
That was a one or the other question. Dealer or manufacturer?
Post by: Alchase on February 16, 2017, 10:35:02 AM
My next door neighbor has an 2011 4 door TRD Taco, beautiful rig, except the shot Leaf springs and his frontdiskrotor assemblies have warped.
I thought they got rid of that problem back in the early 90s?
He put a small bucket of "crusher-run" in the back, by the time he drove the mile home his nose was pointing up. He took it in and they replaced the shot leafs with the same stock leafs. Not a month later the same thing happened (did not ask what he was carrying this time) Toyota told him to pack sand.
I used my lowly 2007 Dakota with a 3.7 to hall 8 more loads of crusher run to finish his backfill.
He has since replaced the rear leafs with after market leafs and shackles, he now points straight down the road again.
Very pretty truck!
10 small loads of rock and a beat truck. Wonder how much money was saved by not hiring a driver/dump rig for one load?
Go Toyota or Nissan and you'll be a happy Pianoman. Everyone I've known with a Grand Cherokee has had lots of issues. They come with an expiration date. Kinda like owning a Buick.
$185.00 minimum delivery of 10 yards, LOL
Bed looks just fine, a new scratch here or there, nothing a truck bed should not be able to handle.
Post by: fish vacuum on February 16, 2017, 06:29:21 PM
I don't know if anyone has experienced it in the past 2 years new Toyotas. But I know 2 guys that purchased Toyotas and were disappointed in the fact that they were gutless wonders heading up the pass. Like I said it has only been past 2 years :dunno:Depends on the model, configuration and intended use.
Post by: JJB11B on February 16, 2017, 06:41:07 PM
crud, I have a Tundra, I just got my letter in the mail a couple weeks ago. It was from a Class action lawsuitI got the card, too...Toyota told me to suck it when I reported the sagging leafs in 2010('We don't make cars that have sagging leafs') so I replaced the rear suspension out of pocket and now when I express concerns over my frame, which is a known issue, Toyota says 'If you want to do something about it, file a class action lawsuit against a multi-national conglomerate with deep pockets and a legal team on staff'.I just called Toyota last week for a frame inspection on my 2006 Tacoma.There was a lawsuit filed against them for that. you should try again. If I remember when I get home I'll take a picture of the card I got in the mail and post it here
They said the frame inspection expired LAST MARCH and told me to suck it.
Do a search on this forum for my experience with the leaf spring recall.
My 95 Grand Cherokee was an awesome rig with solid axles, inline 6cyl and a much more advanced 4wd system than what you can get on a Toyota today.
All it needed was basic maintenance and an ac condenser which Jeep was happy to warranty.
I replaced the original battery at 112k miles before I sold it to my BIL.
Great rigs.
So now we are blessing a car that lacks a suitable frame and rear springs?
I must be really confused about the expectations for a 'truck'.
Looks like you had till 3/31/16 to have it inspected. They released that 3/20/2015. You had a year.
:dunno:
Post by: jkononen on February 18, 2017, 01:44:34 AM
No, they are not '--------'.I had it inspected about 3 or 4 years ago when I first learned of the problem.I got the card, too...Toyota told me to suck it when I reported the sagging leafs in 2010('We don't make cars that have sagging leafs') so I replaced the rear suspension out of pocket and now when I express concerns over my frame, which is a known issue, Toyota says 'If you want to do something about it, file a class action lawsuit against a multi-national conglomerate with deep pockets and a legal team on staff'.I just called Toyota last week for a frame inspection on my 2006 Tacoma.There was a lawsuit filed against them for that. you should try again. If I remember when I get home I'll take a picture of the card I got in the mail and post it here
They said the frame inspection expired LAST MARCH and told me to suck it.
Do a search on this forum for my experience with the leaf spring recall.
My 95 Grand Cherokee was an awesome rig with solid axles, inline 6cyl and a much more advanced 4wd system than what you can get on a Toyota today.
All it needed was basic maintenance and an ac condenser which Jeep was happy to warranty.
I replaced the original battery at 112k miles before I sold it to my BIL.
Great rigs.
So now we are blessing a car that lacks a suitable frame and rear springs?
I must be really confused about the expectations for a 'truck'.
Looks like you had till 3/31/16 to have it inspected. They released that 3/20/2015. You had a year.
:dunno:
They said it was fine then.
I was under it changing the tranny oil last month and noticed some spots that concern me. Apparently frame rot and customer safety are limited-time concepts.
I can't say enough bad things about Toyota and their arrogance.
Still waiting on my leaf spring reimbursement like they ever intended to honor that.
Truly fascinating.
Reimbursement? I took mine in, like 6 hours later had a brand new 4 pack leaf installed worth about 1350 bucks for free with no charge at all and they are bad ass. Toyota of puyallup
They are barely passable.
This has been beaten to death on Tacomaworld.com and others.
When I told Toyota I had flat leaf 'springs' in 2010, they told me I was wrong and on my own to fix them, so I did.
If you want '-------' springs, you're not going to get them from Toyota.
Try OME and Bilstein (real Bilsteins, not the crappy car shocks Toyota uses on the TeRD to make people think they have something decent).
(Please refrain from the profanity. We try to maintain a family friendly forum here. Thanks)
Found him.
The 1 guy not happy with a Toyota. Lol
Post by: Sandberm on February 18, 2017, 04:05:20 AM
My brother buys Toyota Tacomas and he likes to get the 4 cylinder manual transmission variety because he thinks he gets better fuel mileage and reliability. Hes had a 2wd 88, a 4wd 95 and the Tacoma he has now is a 4wd 09 and in all honesty I HATE his Tacoma. Probably because its a 4 cylinder stick. The best way to describe the engine is "zingy". All top end off the start so you feel like you have to rev the crap out of it off the line and then when it engages the tires spin if the traction is so so. I'm sure the 6 cyl with an automatic transmission is much more enjoyable to drive...it has to be right?
Now, his 88 with the 4 cylinder, 5 speed stick was AWESOME to drive. Tons of low end off the start that could be revved out nicely with a really nice feel to the stick. Short throw and the gears went in smoothly. Toyota did some something to the nice meaty engine between 1988 and 1995 because the 95engine was all "zingy". There was NO WAY to go from a dead start on a gravel road without spinning out. Annoying as hell.
And his 09 Tacoma is just one big blind spot, you cant see anything but out the windsheild...and dont get me going on the beeping when you dont buckle up. I just want to go from the shop out into the field and I have to spend 45 seconds listening to beeps.
I'll have to ask him about his leaf springs the next time I see him and I'll report back
Post by: T-Dozzer on February 20, 2017, 08:46:52 PM
Post by: blackpowderhunter on February 21, 2017, 06:54:31 AM
Bought it, put new bilstein 5100 shocks all around, OME springs up front, a progressive 3 leaf AAL in the back to get about 1.75-2 inches of lift, 32 inch AT tires, and the thing has more ground clearance than my buddy's lifted RAM on 35's.
Love the truck to death. I had a cherokee at one point and couldn't wait to get rid of it. Sold it for a 97 toyota pick up that I eventually traded in for my 2006.
I have had a a 93 yota 4x4, 97 tacoma trd, 2003 tacoma trd, and now a 2006 trd.
(nothing wrong with any of these trucks, i just had the hankering for something newer and shinier). And I will tell you something, all of those except the one I traded into the dealership, I bought, drove for 3-4 years, and sold for the same price I paid for them with just basic maintenance.
Next truck will be a newer tacoma. Cheap maintenance, good reliability, and very strong resale, can't beat those things in my opinion.
If you aren't towing a big camper trailer or something, hard to beat the Tacoma in my opinion.
FWIW my dad has a 2006 ish Nissan Frontier that he seems very happy with as well.