Post by: wolfbait on February 18, 2017, 02:08:43 PM
http://wolfeducationinternational.com/usfws-in-very-hot-water-over-false-esa-protections-of-hybrid-red-wolves/
Post by: Bullkllr on February 18, 2017, 02:18:21 PM
"Perhaps this will start the ball rolling to investigate the fake Mexican wolf and the laws that were broken by many people when gray wolves in Canada were trapped and illegally transported to the U.S. for introduction, bringing with them diseases. The money used for the wolf introduction in the Yellowstone Region was stolen from Pittman-Robertson Excise Tax. This act has never been investigated and prosecuted. Maybe it’s time."
It's definitely time!
Post by: KFhunter on February 18, 2017, 02:21:49 PM
UCLA say's they're hybrids.
http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/biologists-solve-mystery-about-80301
Post by: wolfbait on February 18, 2017, 02:26:27 PM
SEPTEMBER 19, 2016 BY STAFF
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Editor’s note: In a departure from normal bureaucratic mumbo-jumbo, a 200-page report released this week, titled ‘Red Wolf Recovery Team Recommendations,’ contains a fascinating section. Appendix G features candid, verbatim give-and-take among opponents of the Red Wolf Program – led by Jett Ferebee who owns a large tract in Northeastern North Carolina – and proponents of the program, which include federal officials, scientists, and academic-types.
Alert readers will encounter the acronym NENC NEP, which stands for: North East North Carolina Non-essential Experimental Population – government-speak for a genetically questionable species of Red Wolf, introduced during 1986 into five counties in the state’s northeast corner.<<<Read More>>>
WEI received the following email comment from Jett Ferebee regarding the information linked to in regards to the article above:
As you all know, this has been far from a one man fight. In fact it has been quite a team effort. What is important to make public are the true facts presented in this article. There will be a Congressional Oversight and Investigations Committee Hearing on all wolf programs in DCon Wednesday. National Fox News will be covering it. They came to NC and did interviews with several of us. Any help from you to pass along this fact filled article will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Jett
The following are comments and links to information about the red wolf issues in North Carolina, provided by James Beers, member and contributor of WEI.
When a Few Good Men Stand Firm – Wolves, the Endangered Species Act, and Corrupt Bureaucracy
Please take a few moments to read the following article about what rural Americans can do to oppose the unjust imposition of wolves under an illegitimate federal law (the Endangered Species Act) by a corrupt federal agency (the US Fish & Wildlife Service).
North Carolina has been beset by the federal coyote/wolf/dog hybrid called the “endangered” “red” wolf for several decades. Needless to say all rural Americans similarly beset with federally-imposed wildlife and all the harms (property-taking, destruction of local economies, loss of local government revenue and power, loss of livestock, loss of dogs, loss of hunting, loss of all manner of local culture and traditions, etc.) associated with such federal power dictates disguised as “environmental” improvements should read this carefully and then go to the following links and their website for more background about this fearless campaign by a few determined men:
http://paradigmsanddemographics.blogspot.com/2015/04/more-north-carolina-red-wolf-news.html#links
http://www.postandcourier.com/20160912/160919829/red-wolf-reintroduction-program-halted-
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/12/wild-red-wolves-territory-curtailed-under-new-federal-plan.html
Without taking you too far into the weeds here, let me just say that these North Carolina men have not only stopped federal bureaucrats by exposing their myriad lies and collusion with radical groups, they have set a precedent and model for similar GI wolf and grizzly bear impositions: they have given all of us a blueprint for future encounters with federal bureaucrats utilizing this “Prohibition-Like” Act to harm Americans by pretending to help everything from flies to darters.
PLEASE NOTE:
Mark next Wednesday, 21 September 2016 on your calendar.
At 0900 and 1000 Eastern time, FOX NEWS out of New York will (if Hillary doesn’t swoon and Trump doesn’t retract his birther denunciation) run a short news report on what is taking place in North Carolina and its connection to the following Hearing before the US House of Representatives Committee on Natural Resources that afternoon at 1400 (2PM) Eastern Time on Wednesday 21 September 2016.
Hearing: Oversight Hearing on the Status of the Federal Government’s Management of Wolves
2:00 PM | 1334 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515
Host: Committee on Natural Resources | I am unable to ascertain if C-Span will cover or record this at this time.
I know there is a lot here but I guarantee you will not be disappointed. Please share this far and wide and try to catch the news and the Hearing this Wednesday. We all owe these men and newspapers like The County Compass a great debt of gratitude.
Jim Beers
17 September 2016
Post by: STARVATION on February 18, 2017, 09:45:23 PM
Post by: greenhead_killer on February 18, 2017, 10:06:18 PM
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on February 18, 2017, 10:07:40 PM
Investigate all these black wolves, around here every other wolf is melanistic :rolleyes:
UCLA say's they're hybrids.
http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/biologists-solve-mystery-about-80301
From the link you provided....
"In previous research, Wayne and colleagues used molecular genetic techniques to determine that dogs have ancient origins, and that the first Americans to arrive in the New World more than 12,000 years ago brought domesticated dogs with them. They have also found that dogs have been living in close association with humans much longer than any other domestic animal, have confirmed that dogs evolved from wolves, and have confirmed that today's domestic horse resulted from the interbreeding of many lines of wild horses in multiple locations and was not confined to a small area or a single culture."
So dogs evolved from wolves, but if wolves have black gene which came from dogs, it's somehow a hybrid?
Post by: KFhunter on February 19, 2017, 08:32:02 AM
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on February 19, 2017, 01:43:46 PM
The wolf advocates prefer to call them melanistic, that was the point of my post. They're not melanistic, they have a gene from cross breeding with domestic dogs, the very definition of hybrid.
Dogs, which evolved from wolves. The all have the same genes and can cross breed. Dogs are nothing but wolves that have been selectively bred by man. That melanistic gene came from wolves and was selectively bred for by man. Dogs didn't pick it up from cats.
Post by: KFhunter on February 19, 2017, 01:54:27 PM
The wolf advocates prefer to call them melanistic, that was the point of my post. They're not melanistic, they have a gene from cross breeding with domestic dogs, the very definition of hybrid.
Dogs, which evolved from wolves. The all have the same genes and can cross breed. Dogs are nothing but wolves that have been selectively bred by man. That melanistic gene came from wolves and was selectively bred for by man. Dogs didn't pick it up from cats.
You've just fallen into a debate trap from which there is no escape :chuckle:
By your definition, all dogs should be protected since all domestic dogs are wolves. You must either admit that black wolves are hybrid and should not be protected nor classified as a game species, or that domestic dogs should be protected and should be classified as a game species since they're wolves.
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on February 19, 2017, 01:55:31 PM
http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/species/mammals/Mexican_gray_wolf/pdfs/16-04-26_Settlement_Agreement.pdf
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on February 19, 2017, 01:58:36 PM
The wolf advocates prefer to call them melanistic, that was the point of my post. They're not melanistic, they have a gene from cross breeding with domestic dogs, the very definition of hybrid.
Dogs, which evolved from wolves. The all have the same genes and can cross breed. Dogs are nothing but wolves that have been selectively bred by man. That melanistic gene came from wolves and was selectively bred for by man. Dogs didn't pick it up from cats.
You've just fallen into a debate trap from which there is no escape :chuckle:
By your definition, all dogs should be protected since all domestic dogs are wolves. You must either admit that black wolves are hybrid and should not be protected nor classified as a game species, or that domestic dogs should be protected and should be classified as a game species since they're wolves.
Nope, you forgot option #3. They have recovered sufficiently that no protection is necessary.
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on February 19, 2017, 02:03:39 PM
Post by: KFhunter on February 19, 2017, 02:05:16 PM
Funny, but the guy who supposedly sent the letter in the OP was the guy who signed off on this last year.
http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/species/mammals/Mexican_gray_wolf/pdfs/16-04-26_Settlement_Agreement.pdf
uh huh. I'll see your settlement agreement and raise you a lawsuit.
https://arizonadailyindependent.com/2015/01/08/arizona-issues-notice-of-intent-to-sue-feds-over-mexican-wolf-recovery-plan-development/
Arizona issues notice of intent to sue feds over Mexican wolf recovery plan development
https://arizonadailyindependent.com/2015/01/12/are-mexican-wolves-in-arizona-actually-wolf-dog-hybrids/
A recent ADI article notes that Arizona Game & Fish intends to sue the US Fish & Wildlife Service (FWS) alleging that the FWS recovery plan is out of date and fails to use the best available science. “Without an updated plan that includes recovery criteria, the Mexican Wolf will remain on the Endangered Species list in perpetuity. To make matters worse, a recent proposal to increase the geographic boundaries for the Mexican Wolf will result in huge swaths of lands becoming blocked off for other uses and in most cases prevent things like energy extraction, mining, timber harvesting and various other forms of economic development.”
There is another issue: there is some evidence that the captive bred and wild Mexican wolves in Arizona are actually wolf-dog hybrids or wolf-coyote hybrids which would make them ineligible for protection under the Endangered Species Act.
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on February 19, 2017, 02:08:18 PM
Post by: KFhunter on February 19, 2017, 02:12:07 PM
That was two years ago. How's that suit working out for Arizona?
In a settlement as you posted, Defenders of Wildlife got a pile of money from it did they not?
It didn't address the wolf/dog or wolf/coyote hybrid status which would have made the whole thing null and void, why they did not pursue this I have no idea. A simple test would confirm that.