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Kimber hunter :peep: ...accurate... I also voted Tikka.
:bfg: :mgun2: :hunt2: :mgun: Kimber Hunter is light but I guess you lose the weight savings with the extra ammo you'll have to carry. :stirthepot:
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Post by: Wanttohuntmore on February 23, 2017, 04:50:05 AM
Kimber hunter :peep: ...accurate... I also voted Tikka.
:bfg: :mgun2: :hunt2: :mgun: Kimber Hunter is light but I guess you lose the weight savings with the extra ammo you'll have to carry. :stirthepot:
I was also going to say Kimber Hunter, based on specs and holding one. I've never seen one shot though. Have you seen bad groups Highside? I know some Montana's didn't shoot, though the ones I've seen shot well. Curious if that is the case wih the Hunters.
Post by: jay.sharkbait on February 23, 2017, 05:30:20 AM
Littlehammer is rolling in his Hunt-Wa grave right now.
I'm pretty sure he doesn't care about this site.
That said, I'll say AR-15 chambered in .375 SOCOM
Post by: Southpole on February 23, 2017, 05:43:22 AM
I have the Hunter in a .243. At a hundred yards with Winchester Supreme 50 grain ammo I was shooting consistently through the same hole. I have yet to shoot it at 200 yards or more to really see what it's all about, but I can't imagine it being all that bad :dunno:Kimber hunter :peep: ...accurate... I also voted Tikka.
:bfg: :mgun2: :hunt2: :mgun: Kimber Hunter is light but I guess you lose the weight savings with the extra ammo you'll have to carry. :stirthepot:
I was also going to say Kimber Hunter, based on specs and holding one. I've never seen one shot though. Have you seen bad groups Highside? I know some Montana's didn't shoot, though the ones I've seen shot well. Curious if that is the case wih the Hunters.
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Post by: highside74 on February 23, 2017, 08:33:25 PM
Kimber hunter :peep: ...accurate... I also voted Tikka.
:bfg: :mgun2: :hunt2: :mgun: Kimber Hunter is light but I guess you lose the weight savings with the extra ammo you'll have to carry. :stirthepot:
I was also going to say Kimber Hunter, based on specs and holding one. I've never seen one shot though. Have you seen bad groups Highside? I know some Montana's didn't shoot, though the ones I've seen shot well. Curious if that is the case wih the Hunters.
Just things I've read on the interweb forums about being hit or miss out of the box. Some guys love them but enough guys have had to send theirs back to Kimber or have a gunsmith work on them that I wouldn't buy one unless I could shoot it first. But they sure do look and feel awesome. My vote for a lightweight accurate hunting rifle would be the Browning X Bolt Hells Canyon Speed. In a 6.5 Creedmoor or 7mm-08 6.5#s looks awesome and out of the box shooting sub 3/4" groups. Not that I could shoot it that we'll but it can do it.
Post by: Bofire on February 23, 2017, 08:47:08 PM
Carl
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Post by: M_ray on February 23, 2017, 09:07:15 PM
Looking for a new rifle.
I say the one you shoot the best! :tup:
I Like a Savage 116 Weather Warrior but I've been known to shoot a Kimber at long range! ;) If I were going to buy a new rifle right now I'd be looking at a Kimber mountain ascent or a Cooper in 280AI
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 23, 2017, 09:29:43 PM
cooper's are sooooo nice! I got to play with coaches .280ai a good amount and it was a shooter!Looking for a new rifle.
I say the one you shoot the best! :tup:
I Like a Savage 116 Weather Warrior but I've been known to shoot a Kimber at long range! ;) If I were going to buy a new rifle right now I'd be looking at a Kimber mountain ascent or a Cooper in 280AI
Post by: jeffro on February 23, 2017, 09:47:31 PM
My Savages have never failed me.
And for the price of guns you all are talking about I could probably get 2-3.
Or 1-2 with great glass
10,11,110,111 or 116 own them all in 4 different calibers.
Buy one with a accu-trigger, bed it, scope it and put the rest back into your IRA.
My opinion, your results may vary.
Biggest thing is to shoot it, learn it, know where it hits at any range that you may take a shot.
Post by: pcal on February 23, 2017, 09:49:34 PM
Post by: Pnwrider on February 23, 2017, 09:58:07 PM
Looking for a new rifle.
I say the one you shoot the best! :tup:
I Like a Savage 116 Weather Warrior but I've been known to shoot a Kimber at long range! ;) If I were going to buy a new rifle right now I'd be looking at a Kimber mountain ascent or a Cooper in 280AI
Where can I get a cooper for 1k? Seriously, show me and I'll buy several... since we're talking about guns over 1k I almost always grab my weatherby ultra lightweight when I'm going into the woods.
Post by: M_ray on February 24, 2017, 12:06:44 AM
Looking for a new rifle.
I say the one you shoot the best! :tup:
I Like a Savage 116 Weather Warrior but I've been known to shoot a Kimber at long range! ;) If I were going to buy a new rifle right now I'd be looking at a Kimber mountain ascent or a Cooper in 280AI
Where can I get a cooper for 1k? Seriously, show me and I'll buy several... since we're talking about guns over 1k I almost always grab my weatherby ultra lightweight when I'm going into the woods.
The OP didnt say he was looking for a 1k gun, he asked for opinions on the best huting rifle :dunno:
Looking for a new rifle. Let the debate begin.
Post by: bobcat on February 24, 2017, 12:20:44 AM
"Best deer and elk hunting rifle under $1,000.00"
I voted Savage 111 but I'll say the Weatherby Vanguard is a really solid choice as well. Nothing wrong with Ruger m77 either.
Post by: Curly on February 24, 2017, 06:34:46 AM
Post by: Pnwrider on February 24, 2017, 07:18:52 AM
What's the budget?
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Looking for a new rifle.
I say the one you shoot the best! :tup:
I Like a Savage 116 Weather Warrior but I've been known to shoot a Kimber at long range! ;) If I were going to buy a new rifle right now I'd be looking at a Kimber mountain ascent or a Cooper in 280AI
Where can I get a cooper for 1k? Seriously, show me and I'll buy several... since we're talking about guns over 1k I almost always grab my weatherby ultra lightweight when I'm going into the woods.
The OP didnt say he was looking for a 1k gun, he asked for opinions on the best huting rifle :dunno:Looking for a new rifle. Let the debate begin.
Looks like 1k.
Budget under $1,000. No particular conditions to consider. As far as range goes just the most accurate out of the box all around Rifle.Posts 3-5 and in the poll both have 1k budget...
Post by: gee_unit360 on February 24, 2017, 07:38:56 AM
Is this entire set up rifle or just rifle? If full set up I gotta go Tikka, I looked at Xbolts they cost more for just the rifle, Kimber has got to be over 1000???
Carl
Just rifle
Post by: NW SURVEYOR on February 24, 2017, 07:56:06 AM
The best, ALWAYS.
I've had a Rugr 77 in 6MM, liked it, sold it.
Remington 700 in 22-250, like it, still shoot it.
Winchester 70 in .338, liked it, gave it to nephew, then bought my .338 Sako, best upgrade I ever did.
Sako Vixen .222, stolen, (Damn) Loved it.
Sako L-61 (1971 model) in 7MM MAG, Love it, still shoot it. Mostly deer.
Sako L-61 in .338 (1971 model) my favorite, deer and elk, handles like a dream.
Buddy has a Sako A7, if i was in the market, that's what I'd get.
Post by: Bob33 on February 24, 2017, 08:08:06 AM
Sako,The A7 is a nice rifle, but I haven' seen it under $1000 recently.
The best, ALWAYS.
I've had a Rugr 77 in 6MM, liked it, sold it.
Remington 700 in 22-250, like it, still shoot it.
Winchester 70 in .338, liked it, gave it to nephew, then bought my .338 Sako, best upgrade I ever did.
Sako Vixen .222, stolen, (Damn) Loved it.
Sako L-61 (1971 model) in 7MM MAG, Love it, still shoot it. Mostly deer.
Sako L-61 in .338 (1971 model) my favorite, deer and elk, handles like a dream.
Buddy has a Sako A7, if i was in the market, that's what I'd get.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 24, 2017, 08:16:44 AM
If you got a Remington 700 adl from Walmart and installed magpul detachable bottom metal and put it into a good stock you would have a great hunting rifle with some cool features without breaking the bank. :twocents:
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 24, 2017, 08:22:56 AM
Sako,The A7 is a nice rifle, but I haven' seen it under $1000 recently.
The best, ALWAYS.
I've had a Rugr 77 in 6MM, liked it, sold it.
Remington 700 in 22-250, like it, still shoot it.
Winchester 70 in .338, liked it, gave it to nephew, then bought my .338 Sako, best upgrade I ever did.
Sako Vixen .222, stolen, (Damn) Loved it.
Sako L-61 (1971 model) in 7MM MAG, Love it, still shoot it. Mostly deer.
Sako L-61 in .338 (1971 model) my favorite, deer and elk, handles like a dream.
Buddy has a Sako A7, if i was in the market, that's what I'd get.
With there map program, the map is set at 1098.00 Sometimes a guy can find them for a little less. I will sell them for about 1025.00/1050.00 depending on the model. If anyone is wanting one.
Post by: Matth on February 24, 2017, 09:16:14 AM
Post by: M_ray on February 24, 2017, 09:23:14 AM
What's the budget?
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I say the one you shoot the best! :tup:
I Like a Savage 116 Weather Warrior but I've been known to shoot a Kimber at long range! ;) If I were going to buy a new rifle right now I'd be looking at a Kimber mountain ascent or a Cooper in 280AI
Where can I get a cooper for 1k? Seriously, show me and I'll buy several... since we're talking about guns over 1k I almost always grab my weatherby ultra lightweight when I'm going into the woods.
The OP didnt say he was looking for a 1k gun, he asked for opinions on the best huting rifle :dunno:Looking for a new rifle. Let the debate begin.Looks like 1k.Budget under $1,000. No particular conditions to consider. As far as range goes just the most accurate out of the box all around Rifle.Posts 3-5 and in the poll both have 1k budget...
:sry: missed it, I went over it quickly. In that case buy a Savage :)
Post by: Duckslayer89 on February 24, 2017, 09:33:48 AM
Post by: sumpnz on February 24, 2017, 09:35:21 AM
All that said, if I can wrangle up the money (which likely won't be for a while with 4 kids) I'm looking hard at the Kimber M84. I really like the light weight of it as I am planning a serious back country deer/bear hunt. I'm also looking at the Browning BLR as, while not as light as the Kimber, it comes in some heftier calibers and it's a little more compact and handy in the woods.
Bottom line though is you need to go fondle a few guns and pick the one that fits you the best that is within your budget. A properly fitting gun is going to be vastly more important than brand or even caliber. If it fits right you'll shoot it more at the range, and you'll just be more comfortable in any situation with it.
Post by: Firedogg on February 24, 2017, 10:15:17 AM
To make it even better for me it is also a left handed model.
Post by: Bofire on February 24, 2017, 10:17:12 AM
Carl
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Post by: huntnphool on February 24, 2017, 10:56:28 AM
I've heard nothing but good things about Tikkas
I've read several posts of guys saying they will never own another over the years. :dunno:
Post by: jbauch357 on February 24, 2017, 11:48:56 AM
The Savage is arguably going to be more accurate in the long run and the accustock chassis is aesthetically ugly but engineering wise a thing of beauty. Really the Savage is just a bit less refined than the Tikka, but still a very good rifle.
Post by: bobcat on February 24, 2017, 11:53:06 AM
Seems like the Ruger American is getting tons of attention but not one vote?
Why buy a $350 rifle if you have $1000 to spend?
Post by: T Pearce on February 24, 2017, 12:04:56 PM
Post by: Bob33 on February 24, 2017, 12:09:08 PM
Why pay $1000 if a $350 rifle shoots as well?Seems like the Ruger American is getting tons of attention but not one vote?
Why buy a $350 rifle if you have $1000 to spend?
Post by: jbauch357 on February 24, 2017, 12:10:51 PM
Tikka still using plastic bolt covers and long actions for SA calibers?
The T3X has a metallic bolt shroud. - http://www.tikka.fi/en-us/rifles/tikka-t3x
What I haven't seen mentioned is how far OP is going to be shooting, if they're just using this for a west side brush gun any of these rifles are going to take game at 100yds.
Post by: idaho guy on February 24, 2017, 12:19:50 PM
Post by: hunter_sean08 on February 24, 2017, 12:36:46 PM
Just things I've read on the interweb forums about being hit or miss out of the box. Some guys love them but enough guys have had to send theirs back to Kimber or have a gunsmith work on them that I wouldn't buy one unless I could shoot it first. But they sure do look and feel awesome. My vote for a lightweight accurate hunting rifle would be the Browning X Bolt Hells Canyon Speed. In a 6.5 Creedmoor or 7mm-08 6.5#s looks awesome and out of the box shooting sub 3/4" groups. Not that I could shoot it that we'll but it can do it.
I've been thinking about buying the X Bolt Hell's Canyon Speed for a little while now. Haven't pulled the trigger yet because I figure I'd just save a little while longer to justify spending the additional few hundred dollars down the road. I always loved the Remington XCR but never threw down on one before they discontinued production. I'm not going to let another great rifle slip through my fingers, and this gun has great reviews on its performance. I was just going to buy one of the new Tikka T3x Lites with a stainless barrel, but it sounds like I will be getting a .270 Tikka passed down to me by my grandpa when he hangs up his hunter orange after this next hunting season. Since I'll own a pair of straight shooting .270's pretty soon, I'm thinking I need to step up on the caliber for bigger game, so I'll likely go with a .300 win mag or 7mm mag. Glad to hear you like this rifle! I'm not sure if they make left-handed models, but I've adapted to shooting a right handed gun on the left side so it's no big deal if not.
I see a few of you guys love the Sako A7 as well. Pretty much the same price as the X Bolt Hell's Canyon Speed, so I guess it would come down to which one has the better reputation. I'd probably be fine with either one, although I'm leaning towards the X Bolt right now.
To the OP, I've been shooting a Remington 700 .270 ever since I started hunting, the same gun my Uncle used for a couple of decades, and it shoots about as straight as it gets. The same goes for my Winchester Model 70 .280, but both guns have seen several hunting seasons, and I'm not sure of either company's quality these days. Back in the day though, it was tough to beat the Rem 700. For the price range you're under, I would think about saving a few more dollars to get one of the $1,000 guns, but if not, I'd go with the Tikka or one of the standard Browning X Bolts. I think there are some rebates floating around right now for Browning that you might look into. I've also been hearing a lot of positive things about Ruger recently. It's my understanding they made some administrative changes that have paid off as far as quality is concerned.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 24, 2017, 12:47:12 PM
The Tikka is going to have better fit/finish, will be lighter, the bolt is going to be smoother, magazines easier to change, won't require custom scope bases (but do require Tikka specific rings) and the trigger is going to be better. The only drawback for the Tikka is that their synthetic stocks are extremely sensitive to variations in action bolt torque.first thing I do is toss the tikka rings and go to something better, which is basically anything. Egw base and some egw, warne, etc. will do the trick.
The Savage is arguably going to be more accurate in the long run and the accustock chassis is aesthetically ugly but engineering wise a thing of beauty. Really the Savage is just a bit less refined than the Tikka, but still a very good rifle.
Post by: bobcat on February 24, 2017, 01:06:16 PM
Why pay $1000 if a $350 rifle shoots as well?Seems like the Ruger American is getting tons of attention but not one vote?
Why buy a $350 rifle if you have $1000 to spend?
Good point, but you generally get what you pay for. The question was the best rifle under $1000. I don't think the Ruger Anerican is the answer to that question. I was simply giving my opinion as to why nobody had voted for the American. I do think it's a good value if your budget is $400 rather than $1000.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 24, 2017, 01:38:57 PM
Post by: bobcat on February 24, 2017, 01:58:47 PM
Accuracy wise right out of the box I would put the Ruger American up against almost all the rifles on that list :twocents:
Almost all? I sure wouldn't. Steyr, Tikka, Savage Long Range, Browning A bolt and X bolt, and the Sako A7 would almost surely be accurate out of the box, much more likely than a Ruger American with the flimsy plastic stock. Again, you get what you pay for and there's a reason the Ruger American is one of the cheapest bolt action centerfire rifles made.
Post by: Mtnwalker on February 24, 2017, 02:20:15 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 24, 2017, 02:35:27 PM
Have ya seen the stocks on the tikka and savage? They're also plastic and not great for stiffness. I don't have experience with the othersAccuracy wise right out of the box I would put the Ruger American up against almost all the rifles on that list :twocents:
Almost all? I sure wouldn't. Steyr, Tikka, Savage Long Range, Browning A bolt and X bolt, and the Sako A7 would almost surely be accurate out of the box, much more likely than a Ruger American with the flimsy plastic stock. Again, you get what you pay for and there's a reason the Ruger American is one of the cheapest bolt action centerfire rifles made.
Post by: Bofire on February 24, 2017, 02:38:48 PM
Carl
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 24, 2017, 02:38:55 PM
Accuracy wise right out of the box I would put the Ruger American up against almost all the rifles on that list :twocents:
Almost all? I sure wouldn't. Steyr, Tikka, Savage Long Range, Browning A bolt and X bolt, and the Sako A7 would almost surely be accurate out of the box, much more likely than a Ruger American with the flimsy plastic stock. Again, you get what you pay for and there's a reason the Ruger American is one of the cheapest bolt action centerfire rifles made.
I usually agree with you bob, not on this one. I own 4 of them myself. 2 of the standards and 2 predators. Every one of them shoots amazing beyond my belief. My buddies have 4 or 5 of them as well. Clips are my only complaint. I have some some very fancy rifles that sit in the safe more then I thought they would because of the way these guns shoot. I still prefer the fit and finish on the tikka and sako much more. I have also sold about 15-18 of them and everyone has loved them. Its crazy really.
Post by: bobcat on February 24, 2017, 02:53:27 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 24, 2017, 03:05:49 PM
I highlighted the important parts you ignored. Almost means most but not all. Accuracy wise means the little holes that get punched through paper from the bullets being fired from the gun.Accuracy wise right out of the box I would put the Ruger American up against almost all the rifles on that list :twocents:
Almost all? I sure wouldn't. Steyr, Tikka, Savage Long Range, Browning A bolt and X bolt, and the Sako A7 would almost surely be accurate out of the box, much more likely than a Ruger American with the flimsy plastic stock. Again, you get what you pay for and there's a reason the Ruger American is one of the cheapest bolt action centerfire rifles made.
I've set up 6 ruger Americans in the last two years and all 6 well under a minute. @whitpirate shot half minute with factory hornady out of a youth model. I never once said they were the highest quality rifle out there but stacked up against brownings, remingtons, or winchesters (which I own or have done extensive load developement on) the American spanks em.
Tikka seems to be the alpha of out of the box accuracy in my experience.
Post by: jackelope on February 24, 2017, 03:35:51 PM
Find a rifle that you like the look of, the fit and finish, the weight or whatever. They all seem to shoot and it seems like more of a fashion show to me.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 24, 2017, 03:50:39 PM
It seems anymore that any rifle you buy is usually capable of shooting 1" groups at 100 yards. Not even a talking point anymore if you ask me. A $1050 Sako A7 or a $350 Ruger American will do it. I won't buy a Kimber rifle. They're beautiful, but I've seen too many cases where they don't shoot or it takes a month of sundays to figure out a load and only those handloads will shoot. I don't like the garbage looking stocks on the Tikka or the Savage accustock. I don't like the weight of the "long range" rifles.That's why you need one of Mikes rifles. Looks cool, shoots lights out and don't weigh much. May be a touch over the 1k mark though :chuckle:
Find a rifle that you like the look of, the fit and finish, the weight or whatever. They all seem to shoot and it seems like more of a fashion show to me.
Post by: bobcat on February 24, 2017, 03:53:49 PM
Post by: jrebel on February 24, 2017, 03:57:51 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 24, 2017, 04:00:16 PM
Yep, it's really a matter of personal preference and how much you can afford. But the fact remains, out of 165 votes for the best rifle under $1000, the Ruger American got none.well that "fact" still literally has no bearing on how accurate of a rifle it is.
Post by: coachcw on February 24, 2017, 04:12:28 PM
Post by: jackelope on February 24, 2017, 04:13:02 PM
Yep, it's really a matter of personal preference and how much you can afford. But the fact remains, out of 165 votes for the best rifle under $1000, the Ruger American got none.
The only reason I would want one is because they tend to shoot lights out. There is literally no other reason I would want one. They're even ugly. If I was looking for a $350 rifle, it would be at the top of my list. If I was sitting on a $1k rifle only budget, it's on the bottom of my list, because it is a cheap rifle with crummy fit and finish and it's ugly as H. E. double-hockey-sticks. Things like fit and finish and stylish, handsome good looks are not the things that makes stuff dead though.
Post by: jackelope on February 24, 2017, 04:14:18 PM
Yep, it's really a matter of personal preference and how much you can afford. But the fact remains, out of 165 votes for the best rifle under $1000, the Ruger American got none.well that "fact" still literally has no bearing on how accurate of a rifle it is.
The BLRman makes an extremely valid point.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 24, 2017, 04:21:45 PM
I don't think he has earned "the" blrman. He's not quite to that level... no matter what he tells you. :chuckle:Yep, it's really a matter of personal preference and how much you can afford. But the fact remains, out of 165 votes for the best rifle under $1000, the Ruger American got none.well that "fact" still literally has no bearing on how accurate of a rifle it is.
The BLRman makes an extremely valid point.
Post by: jackelope on February 24, 2017, 04:24:38 PM
I don't think he has earned "the" blrman. He's not quite to that level... no matter what he tells you. :chuckle:Yep, it's really a matter of personal preference and how much you can afford. But the fact remains, out of 165 votes for the best rifle under $1000, the Ruger American got none.well that "fact" still literally has no bearing on how accurate of a rifle it is.
The BLRman makes an extremely valid point.
Wow. The thought never crossed my mind. Not once. I feel like I have dropped an enormous layer of disrespect on THE JON.
My deepest regrets.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 24, 2017, 04:26:39 PM
You had me scared there! :chuckle:I don't think he has earned "the" blrman. He's not quite to that level... no matter what he tells you. :chuckle:Yep, it's really a matter of personal preference and how much you can afford. But the fact remains, out of 165 votes for the best rifle under $1000, the Ruger American got none.well that "fact" still literally has no bearing on how accurate of a rifle it is.
The BLRman makes an extremely valid point.
Wow. The thought never crossed my mind. Not once. I feel like I have dropped an enormous layer of disrespect on THE JON.
My deepest regrets.
Now back to the regularly scheduled "my gun is better debate"
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 24, 2017, 04:26:55 PM
couldn't agree more. That's the only reason I didn't vote for it. Other reason is accessories. savage, and remington have lots of stock, and trigger options if you want to start to get semi customized. Tikka has some good stock options but no trigger options, though they don't really need one. I've shot a few customs on tikka actions and they are money. My upcoming 6.5 build is going on a tikka action.Yep, it's really a matter of personal preference and how much you can afford. But the fact remains, out of 165 votes for the best rifle under $1000, the Ruger American got none.
The only reason I would want one is because they tend to shoot lights out. There is literally no other reason I would want one. They're even ugly. If I was looking for a $350 rifle, it would be at the top of my list. If I was sitting on a $1k rifle only budget, it's on the bottom of my list, because it is a cheap rifle with crummy fit and finish and it's ugly as H. E. double-hockey-sticks. Things like fit and finish and stylish, handsome good looks are not the things that makes stuff dead though.
I'll say it again. In MY EXPERIENCE accuracy goes tikka and ruger american, then savage. Remington's actions are so sloppy they are pretty hit or miss. Doing load developement on buglebuster's 700 right now using 178 eld-x and it's shooting legit half minute, so you can get lucky but hasn't seemed to be the norm with straight factory remington 700's.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 24, 2017, 04:28:30 PM
yeah no way I am even close the same level of *censored*ery as the jon! There can be only one "THE"...I don't think he has earned "the" blrman. He's not quite to that level... no matter what he tells you. :chuckle:Yep, it's really a matter of personal preference and how much you can afford. But the fact remains, out of 165 votes for the best rifle under $1000, the Ruger American got none.well that "fact" still literally has no bearing on how accurate of a rifle it is.
The BLRman makes an extremely valid point.
Wow. The thought never crossed my mind. Not once. I feel like I have dropped an enormous layer of disrespect on THE JON.
My deepest regrets.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 24, 2017, 04:36:14 PM
Seems like the worst part of owning a tikka is having to tell people you own a tikka. :yike: :sry:
Post by: jackelope on February 24, 2017, 04:45:19 PM
couldn't agree more. That's the only reason I didn't vote for it. Other reason is accessories. savage, and remington have lots of stock, and trigger options if you want to start to get semi customized. Tikka has some good stock options but no trigger options, though they don't really need one. I've shot a few customs on tikka actions and they are money. My upcoming 6.5 build is going on a tikka action.Yep, it's really a matter of personal preference and how much you can afford. But the fact remains, out of 165 votes for the best rifle under $1000, the Ruger American got none.
The only reason I would want one is because they tend to shoot lights out. There is literally no other reason I would want one. They're even ugly. If I was looking for a $350 rifle, it would be at the top of my list. If I was sitting on a $1k rifle only budget, it's on the bottom of my list, because it is a cheap rifle with crummy fit and finish and it's ugly as H. E. double-hockey-sticks. Things like fit and finish and stylish, handsome good looks are not the things that makes stuff dead though.
I'll say it again. In MY EXPERIENCE accuracy goes tikka and ruger american, then savage. Remington's actions are so sloppy they are pretty hit or miss. Doing load developement on buglebuster's 700 right now using 178 eld-x and it's shooting legit half minute, so you can get lucky but hasn't seemed to be the norm with straight factory remington 700's.
I have a 700 that will shoot that too, but it's a 700 Long Range and it weighs almost 12 pounds all up. I like it a lot, but I haven't hunted with it yet(never have hunted with a 12 pound rifle) and I'm not sure if I'm going to like carrying it around. It shot factory ammo in the .7" range the first 10 rounds through it. I think they're $699?
Post by: onetrack on February 24, 2017, 05:54:49 PM
Post by: crabcreekhunter on February 24, 2017, 08:53:25 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 24, 2017, 10:00:53 PM
Im partial to the 700s first off, but that is my choice. Picked up a .270 adl on sale with a rebate right about 240 bucks, timney trigger, laminate stock for 150 bucks, and a vx2 cds 3-9 new for 280, so all said and done right around $800-825 bucks, no trouble ringing steel at 700-800. Can do the same thing with a ruger predator 6.5 creedmor no doubt, but just doesnt feel like a real rifle same as factory tikkas. Just my opinion. I like all the real good answers!I hear you on the cheapy feel of a lot of the new rifles. I talked a lot of trash about tikka for that reason until I shot a few. As much as I hold my nose, they freaking shoot! My soon to be 6.5-06ai in an adjustable mcmillan game scout and 26" spiral fluted benchmark will NOT feel cheap :chuckle:
Post by: jbauch357 on February 24, 2017, 10:25:42 PM
The Tikka is going to have better fit/finish, will be lighter, the bolt is going to be smoother, magazines easier to change, won't require custom scope bases (but do require Tikka specific rings) and the trigger is going to be better. The only drawback for the Tikka is that their synthetic stocks are extremely sensitive to variations in action bolt torque.first thing I do is toss the tikka rings and go to something better, which is basically anything. Egw base and some egw, warne, etc. will do the trick.
The Savage is arguably going to be more accurate in the long run and the accustock chassis is aesthetically ugly but engineering wise a thing of beauty. Really the Savage is just a bit less refined than the Tikka, but still a very good rifle.
I went with Warne rings designed for the Tikka, no base and no extra failure points - it was only 2" off bullseye when I went to sight it in and (unless I play with the action bolt torque) stays dead on target.
Post by: jbauch357 on February 24, 2017, 10:31:39 PM
Have ya seen the stocks on the tikka and savage? They're also plastic and not great for stiffness. I don't have experience with the othersAccuracy wise right out of the box I would put the Ruger American up against almost all the rifles on that list :twocents:
Almost all? I sure wouldn't. Steyr, Tikka, Savage Long Range, Browning A bolt and X bolt, and the Sako A7 would almost surely be accurate out of the box, much more likely than a Ruger American with the flimsy plastic stock. Again, you get what you pay for and there's a reason the Ruger American is one of the cheapest bolt action centerfire rifles made.
The aluminum block chassis runs almost the entire length of the accustock for savage rifles, that thing is built like a tank. I do have to agree the stock on the Tikka is a bit flimsy, as long as you keep the action bolt torque consistent you won't have any issues though.
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on February 24, 2017, 10:54:17 PM
Go rem 700,killed more animals then all them other rifles put together.
If that's the criteria, better go with a Winchester model 94 30-30, or any model 94.
Post by: crabcreekhunter on February 25, 2017, 08:03:30 AM
Haha tikkas definitely shoot, awesome factory trigger and quality barrels. Someone i know just ran about 150 rounds of 22-250 through one in about half an hour, quite fun as well. A light weight rail, aluminum and titanium rings with a vx6 would be awesome sitting on top of that 6.5-06ai. Excited to get the .280ai and 6.5-06ai on the packs this fall to do some damage.Im partial to the 700s first off, but that is my choice. Picked up a .270 adl on sale with a rebate right about 240 bucks, timney trigger, laminate stock for 150 bucks, and a vx2 cds 3-9 new for 280, so all said and done right around $800-825 bucks, no trouble ringing steel at 700-800. Can do the same thing with a ruger predator 6.5 creedmor no doubt, but just doesnt feel like a real rifle same as factory tikkas. Just my opinion. I like all the real good answers!I hear you on the cheapy feel of a lot of the new rifles. I talked a lot of trash about tikka for that reason until I shot a few. As much as I hold my nose, they freaking shoot! My soon to be 6.5-06ai in an adjustable mcmillan game scout and 26" spiral fluted benchmark will NOT feel cheap :chuckle:
Post by: Griiz on February 25, 2017, 11:45:58 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 25, 2017, 12:40:16 PM
Post by: jdb on February 25, 2017, 12:56:23 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 25, 2017, 01:20:37 PM
Pretty sure I walked right by youhaha. If it was a brown long bed tundra then that was me. Nice day to be out and about.
Post by: jdb on February 25, 2017, 01:42:53 PM
Post by: Stein on February 25, 2017, 01:46:10 PM
I put a $200 Vortex on it, lapped the rings and cut some off the trigger spring. It's now a 0.6" gun for under $600. For the price, it is the best gun I've seen.
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Post by: thinkingman on February 26, 2017, 10:44:41 AM
The Tikka is going to have better fit/finish, will be lighter, the bolt is going to be smoother, magazines easier to change, won't require custom scope bases (but do require Tikka specific rings) and the trigger is going to be better. The only drawback for the Tikka is that their synthetic stocks are extremely sensitive to variations in action bolt torque.first thing I do is toss the tikka rings and go to something better, which is basically anything. Egw base and some egw, warne, etc. will do the trick.
The Savage is arguably going to be more accurate in the long run and the accustock chassis is aesthetically ugly but engineering wise a thing of beauty. Really the Savage is just a bit less refined than the Tikka, but still a very good rifle.
I have an EGW rail NIB and Warne QD rings if anyone's interested.
I love my Tikkas and like that they don't need a trigger/stock/bedding just to get in the game.
Post by: grundy53 on February 26, 2017, 11:44:51 AM
So you can spend more on glass. Which I think is more important with how accurate rifles are these days.Seems like the Ruger American is getting tons of attention but not one vote?
Why buy a $350 rifle if you have $1000 to spend?
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Post by: Stein on February 26, 2017, 11:49:41 AM
So you can spend more on glass. Which I think is more important with how accurate rifles are these days.Seems like the Ruger American is getting tons of attention but not one vote?
Why buy a $350 rifle if you have $1000 to spend?
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Ammo, reloading setup, training class, range time, etc. If you want to shoot accurately, a $300 rifle with 500 rounds through it will get you there more effectively than a $1,000 rifle that sits in the closet. If you have money for both, do it. The rifle is the easy part.
For $1,000 not including optics, you can get a sweet Remmy 700 with great trigger and aftermarket stock and unlimited upgrading potential and aftermarket accessories.
Post by: chester on February 26, 2017, 12:10:12 PM
So you can spend more on glass. Which I think is more important with how accurate rifles are these days.Seems like the Ruger American is getting tons of attention but not one vote?
Why buy a $350 rifle if you have $1000 to spend?
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Ammo, reloading setup, training class, range time, etc. If you want to shoot accurately, a $300 rifle with 500 rounds through it will get you there more effectively than a $1,000 rifle that sits in the closet. If you have money for both, do it. The rifle is the easy part.
For $1,000 not including optics, you can get a sweet Remmy 700 with great trigger and aftermarket stock and unlimited upgrading potential and aftermarket accessories.
Or virtually any other manufacturer that you won't need to blow money on upgrades for.
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Post by: thinkingman on February 26, 2017, 04:52:14 PM
:tup:So you can spend more on glass. Which I think is more important with how accurate rifles are these days.Seems like the Ruger American is getting tons of attention but not one vote?
Why buy a $350 rifle if you have $1000 to spend?
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Ammo, reloading setup, training class, range time, etc. If you want to shoot accurately, a $300 rifle with 500 rounds through it will get you there more effectively than a $1,000 rifle that sits in the closet. If you have money for both, do it. The rifle is the easy part.
For $1,000 not including optics, you can get a sweet Remmy 700 with great trigger and aftermarket stock and unlimited upgrading potential and aftermarket accessories.
Or virtually any other manufacturer that you won't need to blow money on upgrades for.
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Post by: Stein on February 28, 2017, 01:01:34 PM
Post by: Bob33 on February 28, 2017, 01:25:35 PM
Educate me, what rifle comes out of the box sub moa with a competition level adjustable trigger, full aluminum bedded stock, and everybody and their brother makes stuff for it in the $800 range? I'm serious, there may be some out there and I would check them out."Sub MOA" is a result of many factors including the ammunition, and of course the shooter. I've seen some rifles advertised as "Sub MOA" that shot 2.5" groups with some loads. In my experience most factory rifles will shoot 1 MOA or better with the right loads, but it may require extensive handload development. For most big game hunters a rifle that shoots even 1.5 MOA is adequate at reasonable distances.
If a trigger breaks cleanly and is adjustable down to two pounds like many are now, what is the line that makes it "competition level"?
Bedding stock: is that necessary for someone who wants a hunting rifle, and it shoots sub MOA but doesn't have an aluminum bedding stock? :dunno:
Accessories: same question as bedding stock.
Thanks.
Post by: Curly on February 28, 2017, 01:35:16 PM
Post by: Stein on February 28, 2017, 01:49:57 PM
Educate me, what rifle comes out of the box sub moa with a competition level adjustable trigger, full aluminum bedded stock, and everybody and their brother makes stuff for it in the $800 range? I'm serious, there may be some out there and I would check them out."Sub MOA" is a result of many factors including the ammunition, and of course the shooter. I've seen some rifles advertised as "Sub MOA" that shot 2.5" groups with some loads. In my experience most factory rifles will shoot 1 MOA or better with the right loads, but it may require extensive handload development. For most big game hunters a rifle that shoots even 1.5 MOA is adequate at reasonable distances.
If a trigger breaks cleanly and is adjustable down to two pounds like many are now, what is the line that makes it "competition level"?
Bedding stock: is that necessary for someone who wants a hunting rifle, and it shoots sub MOA but doesn't have an aluminum bedding stock? :dunno:
Accessories: same question as bedding stock.
Thanks.
OK, I'll bite. Reliably sub MOA with factory ammo, adjustable trigger in the 3 # range with a crisp break and a stock that isn't impervious to the elements (dirt in there, moisture swelling, shooting off a backpack, etc won't impact point of impact). As far as accessories, most people are going to at least put on a scope (are the rings readily available by all mfrs or do you have to take what is available?) and things like replacement or extra magazines, spare parts and the like are pretty helpful as well.
My experience is that in the budget rifle category, there are two types. Those that are $400 all in including scope and those where you can get a decent core rifle for $500 with the idea of probably upgrading a couple of things. It is pretty hard to put a high quality trigger and nice stock in a rifle that sells for $500 when those two things easily go for $300 by themselves.
Maybe I'm wrong and somebody sells a solid rifle with a quality trigger and well designed and fitted stock made from quality materials for $500, I just haven't seen it yet. For $1,000, maybe, but I would rather have exactly the parts I want rather than what the manufacturer happened to slap in there.
Post by: Bob33 on February 28, 2017, 02:00:59 PM
Post by: jackelope on February 28, 2017, 02:32:57 PM
Educate me, what rifle comes out of the box sub moa with a competition level adjustable trigger, full aluminum bedded stock, and everybody and their brother makes stuff for it in the $800 range? I'm serious, there may be some out there and I would check them out."Sub MOA" is a result of many factors including the ammunition, and of course the shooter. I've seen some rifles advertised as "Sub MOA" that shot 2.5" groups with some loads. In my experience most factory rifles will shoot 1 MOA or better with the right loads, but it may require extensive handload development. For most big game hunters a rifle that shoots even 1.5 MOA is adequate at reasonable distances.
If a trigger breaks cleanly and is adjustable down to two pounds like many are now, what is the line that makes it "competition level"?
Bedding stock: is that necessary for someone who wants a hunting rifle, and it shoots sub MOA but doesn't have an aluminum bedding stock? :dunno:
Accessories: same question as bedding stock.
Thanks.
OK, I'll bite. Reliably sub MOA with factory ammo, adjustable trigger in the 3 # range with a crisp break and a stock that isn't impervious to the elements (dirt in there, moisture swelling, shooting off a backpack, etc won't impact point of impact). As far as accessories, most people are going to at least put on a scope (are the rings readily available by all mfrs or do you have to take what is available?) and things like replacement or extra magazines, spare parts and the like are pretty helpful as well.
My experience is that in the budget rifle category, there are two types. Those that are $400 all in including scope and those where you can get a decent core rifle for $500 with the idea of probably upgrading a couple of things. It is pretty hard to put a high quality trigger and nice stock in a rifle that sells for $500 when those two things easily go for $300 by themselves.
Maybe I'm wrong and somebody sells a solid rifle with a quality trigger and well designed and fitted stock made from quality materials for $500, I just haven't seen it yet. For $1,000, maybe, but I would rather have exactly the parts I want rather than what the manufacturer happened to slap in there.
I have a Remington 700 Long Range in .25-06. It was $599 new. I put a Timney trigger in it. $120.00. It has an older Vari-X 2 scope on it. You can buy a VX-II for $400. It rides in a Bell and Carlson M40 stock from Remington. This was shots 3, 4 and 5 out of the brand new rifle with factory ammo.
Post by: jackelope on February 28, 2017, 02:34:58 PM
Post by: Yondering on February 28, 2017, 02:46:10 PM
Depending what accessories you count, like bipod and spare mags, etc, I have ~$900-$1,000 in my American Predator in 6.5 C, and think you'd be hard pressed to put together a better package for similar cost. It was able to make honest 1,000 yard vital zone hits in mild wind on steel down in Oregon last fall. I don't have group pics to post but it shoots about like Jackelope's pics above
-$400 rifle
-$400 scope (Leup Mark Ar)
-$40 base (EGW 20 moa)
-$40 each spare mags (my one real complaint about the rifle, cost of mags)
- cheek riser, trigger job, suppressor mount, and opened barrel channel my own work, assign whatever $ amount you'd spend.
2 lb triggers are not hard to do on these for a guy with some tinkering ability.
Just my 2 cents.
Post by: Curly on February 28, 2017, 03:20:07 PM
Post by: grundy53 on February 28, 2017, 06:02:10 PM
Educate me, what rifle comes out of the box sub moa with a competition level adjustable trigger, full aluminum bedded stock, and everybody and their brother makes stuff for it in the $800 range? I'm serious, there may be some out there and I would check them out."Sub MOA" is a result of many factors including the ammunition, and of course the shooter. I've seen some rifles advertised as "Sub MOA" that shot 2.5" groups with some loads. In my experience most factory rifles will shoot 1 MOA or better with the right loads, but it may require extensive handload development. For most big game hunters a rifle that shoots even 1.5 MOA is adequate at reasonable distances.
If a trigger breaks cleanly and is adjustable down to two pounds like many are now, what is the line that makes it "competition level"?
Bedding stock: is that necessary for someone who wants a hunting rifle, and it shoots sub MOA but doesn't have an aluminum bedding stock? :dunno:
Accessories: same question as bedding stock.
Thanks.
OK, I'll bite. Reliably sub MOA with factory ammo, adjustable trigger in the 3 # range with a crisp break and a stock that isn't impervious to the elements (dirt in there, moisture swelling, shooting off a backpack, etc won't impact point of impact). As far as accessories, most people are going to at least put on a scope (are the rings readily available by all mfrs or do you have to take what is available?) and things like replacement or extra magazines, spare parts and the like are pretty helpful as well.
My experience is that in the budget rifle category, there are two types. Those that are $400 all in including scope and those where you can get a decent core rifle for $500 with the idea of probably upgrading a couple of things. It is pretty hard to put a high quality trigger and nice stock in a rifle that sells for $500 when those two things easily go for $300 by themselves.
Maybe I'm wrong and somebody sells a solid rifle with a quality trigger and well designed and fitted stock made from quality materials for $500, I just haven't seen it yet. For $1,000, maybe, but I would rather have exactly the parts I want rather than what the manufacturer happened to slap in there.
Hopefully it isn't on the recall list....
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Post by: NW SURVEYOR on February 28, 2017, 06:56:45 PM
Buy it put a used 2x7 VXll on it and you're out a grand.
You will own a piece of history with some old school class that fits like a glove and shoots like a dream.
Sako has been putting out great shooting rifles since before I was born. There may be more modern rifles available, but none better. Carrying a rifle that you have confidence in is a
Treat in itself.
Post by: jay.sharkbait on February 28, 2017, 06:57:11 PM
Educate me, what rifle comes out of the box sub moa with a competition level adjustable trigger, full aluminum bedded stock, and everybody and their brother makes stuff for it in the $800 range? I'm serious, there may be some out there and I would check them out."Sub MOA" is a result of many factors including the ammunition, and of course the shooter. I've seen some rifles advertised as "Sub MOA" that shot 2.5" groups with some loads. In my experience most factory rifles will shoot 1 MOA or better with the right loads, but it may require extensive handload development. For most big game hunters a rifle that shoots even 1.5 MOA is adequate at reasonable distances.
If a trigger breaks cleanly and is adjustable down to two pounds like many are now, what is the line that makes it "competition level"?
Bedding stock: is that necessary for someone who wants a hunting rifle, and it shoots sub MOA but doesn't have an aluminum bedding stock? :dunno:
Accessories: same question as bedding stock.
Thanks.
OK, I'll bite. Reliably sub MOA with factory ammo, adjustable trigger in the 3 # range with a crisp break and a stock that isn't impervious to the elements (dirt in there, moisture swelling, shooting off a backpack, etc won't impact point of impact). As far as accessories, most people are going to at least put on a scope (are the rings readily available by all mfrs or do you have to take what is available?) and things like replacement or extra magazines, spare parts and the like are pretty helpful as well.
My experience is that in the budget rifle category, there are two types. Those that are $400 all in including scope and those where you can get a decent core rifle for $500 with the idea of probably upgrading a couple of things. It is pretty hard to put a high quality trigger and nice stock in a rifle that sells for $500 when those two things easily go for $300 by themselves.
Maybe I'm wrong and somebody sells a solid rifle with a quality trigger and well designed and fitted stock made from quality materials for $500, I just haven't seen it yet. For $1,000, maybe, but I would rather have exactly the parts I want rather than what the manufacturer happened to slap in there.
Hopefully it isn't on the recall list....
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I haven't heard of any first hand accounts of Remington triggers failing and I suspect that most of the alleged issues were people lying or modifying triggers at home etc. I would also venture to say that there are just as many issues with triggers elsewhere in the industry.
Post by: h20hunter on February 28, 2017, 07:13:36 PM
Post by: grundy53 on February 28, 2017, 07:17:15 PM
Educate me, what rifle comes out of the box sub moa with a competition level adjustable trigger, full aluminum bedded stock, and everybody and their brother makes stuff for it in the $800 range? I'm serious, there may be some out there and I would check them out."Sub MOA" is a result of many factors including the ammunition, and of course the shooter. I've seen some rifles advertised as "Sub MOA" that shot 2.5" groups with some loads. In my experience most factory rifles will shoot 1 MOA or better with the right loads, but it may require extensive handload development. For most big game hunters a rifle that shoots even 1.5 MOA is adequate at reasonable distances.
If a trigger breaks cleanly and is adjustable down to two pounds like many are now, what is the line that makes it "competition level"?
Bedding stock: is that necessary for someone who wants a hunting rifle, and it shoots sub MOA but doesn't have an aluminum bedding stock? :dunno:
Accessories: same question as bedding stock.
Thanks.
OK, I'll bite. Reliably sub MOA with factory ammo, adjustable trigger in the 3 # range with a crisp break and a stock that isn't impervious to the elements (dirt in there, moisture swelling, shooting off a backpack, etc won't impact point of impact). As far as accessories, most people are going to at least put on a scope (are the rings readily available by all mfrs or do you have to take what is available?) and things like replacement or extra magazines, spare parts and the like are pretty helpful as well.
My experience is that in the budget rifle category, there are two types. Those that are $400 all in including scope and those where you can get a decent core rifle for $500 with the idea of probably upgrading a couple of things. It is pretty hard to put a high quality trigger and nice stock in a rifle that sells for $500 when those two things easily go for $300 by themselves.
Maybe I'm wrong and somebody sells a solid rifle with a quality trigger and well designed and fitted stock made from quality materials for $500, I just haven't seen it yet. For $1,000, maybe, but I would rather have exactly the parts I want rather than what the manufacturer happened to slap in there.
Hopefully it isn't on the recall list....
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I haven't heard of any first hand accounts of Remington triggers failing and I suspect that most of the alleged issues were people lying or modifying triggers at home etc. I would also venture to say that there are just as many issues with triggers elsewhere in the industry.
That's hilarious. Especially since I don't own a Tikka. I do however have a couple Remington 700's. My point I was trying to make was that there is no perfect guns. They all have flaws. I don't worship at the alter of any of them. Therefore I can enjoy all of them. Thank you for your concern though. My mother would appreciate it.
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Post by: NW SURVEYOR on February 28, 2017, 07:21:38 PM
The need for a spare clip.
Heck, I've been hunting deer and elk for forty five years and I've never had to reload. I shoot my share of game and I'm just a meat shot. I don't screw around with 1000 yard shots, but if I did I sure wouldn't be wondering about a fast reload. Concentrate on the shot at hand and don't worry about slapping in another four rounds. I shoot a bolt action like most people, but I stuff the cases in from the top and make that first shot count. I can't remember ever needing more than three rounds, and that was at a big bull that was mortality wounded at forty yards, I just wanted to make sure he didn't make it to the reprod.
Anyway, sorry for being off subject.
The best rifle for under a grand is the one that you can and do have confidence in.
The rest is Hype.
Post by: dscubame on March 01, 2017, 09:38:46 AM
You know what kills me?
The need for a spare clip.
Heck, I've been hunting deer and elk for forty five years and I've never had to reload. I shoot my share of game and I'm just a meat shot. I don't screw around with 1000 yard shots, but if I did I sure wouldn't be wondering about a fast reload. Concentrate on the shot at hand and don't worry about slapping in another four rounds. I shoot a bolt action like most people, but I stuff the cases in from the top and make that first shot count. I can't remember ever needing more than three rounds, and that was at a big bull that was mortality wounded at forty yards, I just wanted to make sure he didn't make it to the reprod.
Anyway, sorry for being off subject.
The best rifle for under a grand is the one that you can and do have confidence in.
The rest is Hype.
I have learned a lot in my 45 years as well and intend on continuing to learn for the next 45 years. I have learned the difference between a clip and a magazine in my first 45. Continue on...
Post by: sumpnz on March 01, 2017, 09:41:33 AM
You know what kills me?
The need for a spare clip.
Heck, I've been hunting deer and elk for forty five years and I've never had to reload. I shoot my share of game and I'm just a meat shot. I don't screw around with 1000 yard shots, but if I did I sure wouldn't be wondering about a fast reload. Concentrate on the shot at hand and don't worry about slapping in another four rounds. I shoot a bolt action like most people, but I stuff the cases in from the top and make that first shot count. I can't remember ever needing more than three rounds, and that was at a big bull that was mortality wounded at forty yards, I just wanted to make sure he didn't make it to the reprod.
Anyway, sorry for being off subject.
The best rifle for under a grand is the one that you can and do have confidence in.
The rest is Hype.
I have learned a lot in my 45 years as well and intend on continuing to learn for the next 45 years. I have learned the difference between a clip and a magazine in my first 45. Continue on...
:chuckle:
Post by: Rainpaddle on March 03, 2017, 04:09:01 PM
Rob
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 03, 2017, 04:47:49 PM
I don't currently have a Browning BLR, but if I were to need another game rifle it would be the BLR in '06.I like your style :chuckle:
Rob