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Title: tarp alternatives for wall tent?
Post by: rosscrazyelk on February 26, 2017, 02:52:55 PM
For my elk camp our living tent is a 12x14 with 12 feet of awning out the front.
we havin been using 2 tarps to cover this area. Besides the pain of using 2 tarps and having extra hangover. I thought about having a custom tarp made from davis tent. However after seeing the price tag I will have to hold off on that for awhile.
While driving today It made me wonder if anyone has used a synylon tarp over their tents? lighter maybe easier to work with?
Title: Re: tarp alternatives for wall tent?
Post by: trophyhunt on February 26, 2017, 03:16:46 PM
Tag, I also use tarps to cover our camp, it a pain to keep them tied down when the wind starts blowing.  Seriously disappointed that the alaknak roof cover only covers 3/4 of the tent??!! 
Title: Re: tarp alternatives for wall tent?
Post by: Happy Gilmore on February 26, 2017, 04:11:45 PM
Call Northwest Linings and ask for 12 or 15 mil reinforced PVC. You will give them the size you want and they will tell you the fabricated panel width you can get. It would be a couple hundred bucks most likely. It would be the last one you buy. You can buy your own grommet tool and put them where you need them

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I used to work there and used this material for all sorts of application. It would be the last tarp you buy. Probably not much more to buy a piece twice as big or, split one with a friend. The floor time costs more than the material. Or, better yet, buy a big piece, cut one for the floor and one to cover the whole wall tent. It will probably weight about 20-30lbs and will not fold up real tight. For pick up truck/wall tent camping its perfect.

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Title: Re: tarp alternatives for wall tent?
Post by: Happy Gilmore on February 26, 2017, 09:55:45 PM
http://m.harborfreight.com/103-piece-1-2-half-inch-grommet-installation-kit-30037.html

Title: Re: tarp alternatives for wall tent?
Post by: Buzz2401 on February 27, 2017, 06:29:36 AM
Have had our wall tents set up for two-three weeks a year for last 25 years and never needed a tarp.  I can't stand the noise they make when it gets windy and raining hard.  The sound of rain falling on canvas is so much nicer then rain falling on a poly tarp. 
Title: Re: tarp alternatives for wall tent?
Post by: trophyhunt on February 27, 2017, 07:02:09 AM
Have had our wall tents set up for two-three weeks a year for last 25 years and never needed a tarp.  I can't stand the noise they make when it gets windy and raining hard.  The sound of rain falling on canvas is so much nicer then rain falling on a poly tarp.
Do you just keep the fire going to keep the condensation away?  I'm not sure the alaknak would do well without a tarp over the top?
Title: Re: tarp alternatives for wall tent?
Post by: rosscrazyelk on February 27, 2017, 09:59:30 AM
Have had our wall tents set up for two-three weeks a year for last 25 years and never needed a tarp.  I can't stand the noise they make when it gets windy and raining hard.  The sound of rain falling on canvas is so much nicer then rain falling on a poly tarp.
Our living tent is a ancient wall tent. Even though the wind does suck we need a tarp over it.
Title: Re: tarp alternatives for wall tent?
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 27, 2017, 10:09:48 AM
I've never put anything over my alaknak except the roof protector panel no issues with condensation either
Title: Re: tarp alternatives for wall tent?
Post by: trophyhunt on February 27, 2017, 10:16:27 AM
I've never put anything over my alaknak except the roof protector panel no issues with condensation either
really?  That's interesting, I might have to try that out. 
Title: Re: tarp alternatives for wall tent?
Post by: Buzz2401 on February 27, 2017, 06:20:58 PM
Have had our wall tents set up for two-three weeks a year for last 25 years and never needed a tarp.  I can't stand the noise they make when it gets windy and raining hard.  The sound of rain falling on canvas is so much nicer then rain falling on a poly tarp.
Do you just keep the fire going to keep the condensation away?  I'm not sure the alaknak would do well without a tarp over the top?

All canvas tents and never had a condensation issue.  Fire is usually going though.  Seems like a tarp would make condensation worse.
Title: Re: tarp alternatives for wall tent?
Post by: Jpmiller on March 06, 2017, 01:14:22 PM
I can't remember the name offhand but I treated my canvas last year right before the season and left the tarp at home to see. It rained pretty hard the couple days I was up there so I set it back up once home to dry. No real condensation and no leakages. I have a ton of tiny pin prick holes all over and still didn't get any water.

I think I lost out on insulation though
Title: Re: tarp alternatives for wall tent?
Post by: elksnout on March 06, 2017, 06:54:02 PM
We tarp our Davis wall tent just to help keep the canvas nice.

Elksnout
Title: Re: tarp alternatives for wall tent?
Post by: ghosthunter on March 06, 2017, 07:11:02 PM
Most if not all good canvas tents will shed water.
A rain fly or tarp helps in many ways.

I buy my tarps 10 ft longer than the tent to provide a dry space out front.

If the tarp. Is 4 ft wider you can have a 2 ft over hang on each side,which allows rain wTer to drip out away from the tent. This keeps the tent cleaner because it's not dripping in the dirt next to the tent.

Most damage to the roof of a tent comes from sparks or tree debri falling on the roof. The tarp provides extra protection.

The tarp should not be directly on top of tent, touching ridge but pulled out to allow a 6 inch air pocket.

 :twocents:
Title: Re: tarp alternatives for wall tent?
Post by: Jpmiller on March 06, 2017, 07:41:42 PM
Most if not all good canvas tents will shed water.
A rain fly or tarp helps in many ways.

I buy my tarps 10 ft longer than the tent to provide a dry space out front.

If the tarp. Is 4 ft wider you can have a 2 ft over hang on each side,which allows rain wTer to drip out away from the tent. This keeps the tent cleaner because it's not dripping in the dirt next to the tent.

Most damage to the roof of a tent comes from sparks or tree debri falling on the roof. The tarp provides extra protection.

The tarp should not be directly on top of tent, touching ridge but pulled out to allow a 6 inch air pocket.

 :twocents:

I got my tent from my dad who used it since before I was born. I SWEAR all the little holes are from embers from the fire. He assures me they aren't. Anyone who religiously tarp their tents have those? He didn't ever tarp it, I did the first few times I went without him but not last year. That is the one thing I worry about without he tarp.
Title: Re: tarp alternatives for wall tent?
Post by: Gamblin Guy on March 06, 2017, 08:10:35 PM
I use one of these, keeps it dry and clean without it being a dark cave during the day. 

http://www.a1tarps.com/clear-tarps.html

Title: Re: tarp alternatives for wall tent?
Post by: duckman18 on March 08, 2017, 06:49:09 PM
Davis 14x16 covered with a 20x30 tarp
Title: Re: tarp alternatives for wall tent?
Post by: ghosthunter on March 08, 2017, 07:31:01 PM
Yep I use the same set up.
Title: Re: tarp alternatives for wall tent?
Post by: trophyhunt on March 08, 2017, 07:44:03 PM
Davis 14x16 covered with a 20x30 tarp
How are you securing that against strong winds?  Ropes just tied through the eyelets will just rip.  I'm already guessing we need longer steaks.
Title: Re: tarp alternatives for wall tent?
Post by: whacker1 on March 08, 2017, 08:31:58 PM
Davis 14x16 covered with a 20x30 tarp
How are you securing that against strong winds?  Ropes just tied through the eyelets will just rip.  I'm already guessing we need longer steaks.

Not sure what they do, but golf balls in the corner balled with a rope tied around it like a coin purse works best to keep a strong end without ripping out.  round rocks work similarly.
Title: Re: tarp alternatives for wall tent?
Post by: duckman18 on March 08, 2017, 09:07:25 PM
Rocks balled up in corners, the fronts wrapped around the frame, never had a problem ripping out.
Title: Re: tarp alternatives for wall tent?
Post by: Buzz2401 on March 09, 2017, 06:43:40 PM
Our tent is over 25 years old and used every single year and never had a tarp and has zero burns holes.  Not a single hole anywhere on it.  It has plenty of small black soot marks that it has picked up over the years but it has never been treated and has never leaked a drop inside.  I could see a tarp keeping the tent warmer but we run a Kwik Kamp stove and it will usually blow you out of our 15x22.  Would be nice for keeping it looking like new for the next 40 years but the usual demise of canvas tents is mildew which leads to canvas rot.
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