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Equipment & Gear => Guns and Ammo => Topic started by: fishunt247 on March 05, 2017, 03:04:45 PM
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I need help identifying a rifle. My dad has a Remington Pump rifle that was his dad's. The writing on the barrel reads "Remington 25 Rem." Then there's an emblem on the receiver that states "Rem-UMC 32 Rem." Dad and I are disagreeing what this means. Everything I'm looking at says that this is a Model 25 Rem in the 32 Rem Caliber. He is certain that it's a 25 Rem caliber. I attached pictures. Hopefully somebody on here can point us in the right direction.
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Do you have a set of calipers?
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I told him to measure it but he is hell bent that it's a 25 caliber. I'll keep hounding him.
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I sure you are right. 25 Remington in .32caliber. My son has a Rem. Model 4 with the .270 casing like that. It's a .270 caliber. But others on here are more knowledgeable than I
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I'm just taking an educated guess here, it is either a Rem 14 or 141 that was originally 32 Rem and has had a 25 Rem Barrel assembly transplanted to it as it is a take down model. This model of Rem Rifles came in 25 Rem, 30 Rem, 32 Rem and 35 Rem. The first three are on the same case and the 35 Rem has a larger head diameter. I own one of these in 30 Rem and it has a 30 Rem case head mounted on it. The 25 Rem, 30 Rem and 32 Rem were Rem's answer to the 25-35 Win, 30-30 Win and 32 Win Special made rimless to work in their Model 14/141 pump and the Model 8/81 semi-auto.
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I think you have a Model 14 rifle that was originally .32 Rem that was rebarreled to .25 Rem, check the bore with calipers to be sure. If your dad is so sure why won't the check the bore? Good thing is if he is wrong the .25 caliber bullet will just wobble down the bore, and if you are wrong the .32 Rem will not chamber.
Typically rifles are not poorly marked with Model # on the left of the barrel where it meets the action. Model # should be on the action in original production markings, barrels are a consumable and typically don't have Model specific information.
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What you have is a Remington model 14, and my guess in .25 rem, need to check the barrel for sure, the ammunition indicator on the side of the receiver, was duel purpose. First to indicate what ammo to use so it would not be confused with Winchester ammo. Remington rimless and Winchester rimmed. Second it was a gas port if you had a ruptured case it would blow out the ammunition indicator. Since these were pressed in sometimes they come out by themselves. My guess this was replaced sometime in its life with what ever was available at the time. The more I look at it, it appears to be recessed slightly , it should be flush with the receiver. The serial # on the bottom of the receiver should match the # on the trigger guard when it is broke down. Is the butt plate hard rubber or steel? Hard rubber was used the first year 1912, steel shot gun style 1913-1920. Your mag tube does not have the brush guard on it which would say it was a first year of production if the butt plate is also hard rubber. Some model #'s were marked on top of barrel in front of the rear sight starting about 1919 many were not. 1924 sn #'s were moved to the left side of the receiver. If you have any other questions let me know.
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Wow. Now theres some knowledge! Thanks for sharing! :tup:
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Wow. Now theres some knowledge! Thanks for sharing! :tup:
I think we have a ringer!
Good thought on the press fit case head falling out n being replaced with what is convenient.
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Glad I could share some of my knowledge after 40+ years messing with the 14, 14 1/2, and 141's.
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Rem14,
Thank you for the wisdom. I'll tell him to look at the butt plate and have him look at those two serial #'s. I appreciate the help a ton.
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Glad I could help. Another indicator that his rifle might be made the first year would be to look at the mag tube follower (you can see it through the loading gate )they were spiral to match the spirals of the mag tube, this did not last long due to resistance and drag. they were replaced with a round follower on the end of the spring.
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Glad I could share some of my knowledge after 40+ years messing with the 14, 14 1/2, and 141's.
Do you have a source for 25 Rem ammo? I have one but no ammo.
Rob
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Glad I could share some of my knowledge after 40+ years messing with the 14, 14 1/2, and 141's.
Do you have a source for 25 Rem ammo? I have one but no ammo.
Rob
My dad's hunting buddy had a 25 Rem (loved that gun) we couldn't find ammo for it back then (mid 70's). We had reloading dies for it and were able to make brass for it by necking down other similar Rem cases, but unfortunately I can't remember which case it was.
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Refreshing conversation.
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Big difference between 25 and 32 caliber, I could tell simply by looking at the muzzle.
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That's awesome
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:yeah:
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Rainpaddle
I do have a 1 1/2 boxes of 25 rem, also some .32 Rem available but I won't ship. You can find new manufactured online at several places. If you reload and don't have the dies you can use these...for .25 Rem use 25-35 win, .30 Rem use 30-30 win and for .32 Rem use 32 win. you would need a different shell holder. If you reload for the model 14, they are very finicky and overall length is critical.
You can make .25 Rem from .30 Rem brass also.
