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Title: Mini excavator?
Post by: Night goat on April 11, 2017, 09:02:19 AM
Just found out that we are going to be building a ski cabin soon, and the property is a disastrous mess. Old rotten structures, an old camper, stumps, uneven ground... Seems like the job for a mini excavator


However, even though I'm a mechanic, I work on boats, not equipment, so, I know next to nothing about these machines

Can't afford new, and renting might be inefficient, as, it's a "one Saturday at a time" project

What do these things even start to go for? I know the brands, yanmar, link belt, Deere, kobleco, kubota, etc, but you might as well be talking lawn mowers to an apartment dweller, as I just don't know much.

How do I get started, what do they go for, is there a better machine for less? Needs to be semi all-terrain, as it is a lot in the mountains....
Title: Re: Mini excavator?
Post by: Timberstalker on April 11, 2017, 09:15:17 AM
There are so many options on Mini's nowadays.  You can find a beater for $7,500 or a newer one for $35,000.

You may look at a backhoe, as more of a utility piece, for what you describe.

Take a look at Craigslist - for a start.
Title: Re: Mini excavator?
Post by: lewy on April 11, 2017, 09:25:34 AM
Mini with a thumb is a handy rig, look at a 35 size machine.
Title: Re: Mini excavator?
Post by: Night goat on April 11, 2017, 09:37:51 AM
Mini with a thumb is a handy rig, look at a 35 size machine.
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How doez the sizing work? Is it a standard set of numbers across the line, like a 1/2,3/4,1ton truck? Or?
Title: Re: Mini excavator?
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on April 11, 2017, 09:41:17 AM
You can get a backhoe with thumb as well, or add one if it doesn't have it. That's my next attachment for my hoe.  :tup:
Title: Re: Mini excavator?
Post by: tlbradford on April 11, 2017, 09:47:12 AM
Without photos I can't be sure, but it sounds like a job that requires something larger than a mini, so I agree with Timber on the backhoe.  If it were me, and you have access to the site for a semi and dump truck, I would hire someone to get all the crap out of there in one trip.  Then rent big enough pieces to get your job done on a weekend.  Dozer for leveling, backhoe for trenching with a compactor attachment.  If you just have to own a piece of equipment, I would be looking at something like a Cat 420D.  Super versatile, great secondary market, lots of attachments.
Title: Re: Mini excavator?
Post by: Buckmark on April 11, 2017, 09:51:38 AM
Without photos I can't be sure, but it sounds like a job that requires something larger than a mini, so I agree with Timber on the backhoe.  If it were me, and you have access to the site for a semi and dump truck, I would hire someone to get all the crap out of there in one trip.  Then rent big enough pieces to get your job done on a weekend.  Dozer for leveling, backhoe for trenching with a compactor attachment.  If you just have to own a piece of equipment, I would be looking at something like a Cat 420D.  Super versatile, great secondary market, lots of attachments.
:yeah:
Hiring someone with the equipment and the experience they should be able to have all crap gone and even some site prep if needed done in a day or two then depending on what you need to do renting might be the way to go unless like stated you want to own a piece of equipment.
What is your budget?
Title: Re: Mini excavator?
Post by: Bofire on April 11, 2017, 10:28:14 AM
that is a hot market, watched by everyone, you'll get what you pay for. the numbers are "sort" of the same for size but not exactly. You can spend anything up to about $100,000 on a mini. There is a lot to know about resale and features on minis. Basics like pump size effect what you can do with them, what attachments they can run, and run well. Zero clearance?  Rubber trac or metal? high wide carriage or normal? which buckets? processor? compactor? demo tools?
Had a demo Cat machine on a site, 2 days, did not like it, the "on sale killer deal" was $72,000.00, it was a mid 3000 machine.
Carl
Title: Re: Mini excavator?
Post by: trophyhunt on April 11, 2017, 10:35:07 AM
Without photos I can't be sure, but it sounds like a job that requires something larger than a mini, so I agree with Timber on the backhoe.  If it were me, and you have access to the site for a semi and dump truck, I would hire someone to get all the crap out of there in one trip.  Then rent big enough pieces to get your job done on a weekend.  Dozer for leveling, backhoe for trenching with a compactor attachment.  If you just have to own a piece of equipment, I would be looking at something like a Cat 420D.  Super versatile, great secondary market, lots of attachments.
:yeah:
Hiring someone with the equipment and the experience they should be able to have all crap gone and even some site prep if needed done in a day or two then depending on what you need to do renting might be the way to go unless like stated you want to own a piece of equipment.
What is your budget?
:yeah: :yeah: you'll save yourself a lot of time by letting the pros do it.  I personally would rent an excavator (120 size) with a thumb and burn everything that's not metal!!
Title: Re: Mini excavator?
Post by: Night goat on April 11, 2017, 10:36:59 AM
Without photos I can't be sure, but it sounds like a job that requires something larger than a mini, so I agree with Timber on the backhoe.  If it were me, and you have access to the site for a semi and dump truck, I would hire someone to get all the crap out of there in one trip.  Then rent big enough pieces to get your job done on a weekend.  Dozer for leveling, backhoe for trenching with a compactor attachment.  If you just have to own a piece of equipment, I would be looking at something like a Cat 420D.  Super versatile, great secondary market, lots of attachments.
:yeah:
Hiring someone with the equipment and the experience they should be able to have all crap gone and even some site prep if needed done in a day or two then depending on what you need to do renting might be the way to go unless like stated you want to own a piece of equipment.
What is your budget?

I was thinking like 2500$-3000$ for a clunker I could use, tune up and resell after the project...

Might be way out of my price range with they way y'all's are talking
Title: Re: Mini excavator?
Post by: Special T on April 11, 2017, 11:04:58 AM
My brother is a heavy equipment mechanic. Pin wear is a good indication of how wore out a machine is. It is also an indication of how well maintained. Machines that are regularly greased are usually maintained.

Quick test is to fire up the machine push down on the boom to lift the front of the trax up. Rotate left and right wiggling the machine the slop is both visual and a feeling.  Make sure to do this on a near new machine as well so you can compare.

Make sure you purchase a Mini with a dozer blade you would be amazed at how effective they are.


Why a Mini? If this is a one location price of equipment you should go as big as you can. An older bigger machine is better than a smaller new machine for single location projects. I know a couple of people who purchased old Jalopy full size excavators  because they had 2-3 decent sized jobs to do on weekends much like your situation. The cost of the machine was comparable to renting or close to hiring it done. When done with the job they had a "Free" piece of  equipment, or sold it at the end of the job.

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Title: Re: Mini excavator?
Post by: UBA on April 11, 2017, 11:53:08 AM
Make sure the thumb is hydraulic and not just pinned. Makes llife lots easier
Title: Re: Mini excavator?
Post by: Mudman on April 11, 2017, 11:59:13 AM
Without photos I can't be sure, but it sounds like a job that requires something larger than a mini, so I agree with Timber on the backhoe.  If it were me, and you have access to the site for a semi and dump truck, I would hire someone to get all the crap out of there in one trip.  Then rent big enough pieces to get your job done on a weekend.  Dozer for leveling, backhoe for trenching with a compactor attachment.  If you just have to own a piece of equipment, I would be looking at something like a Cat 420D.  Super versatile, great secondary market, lots of attachments.
:yeah:
Hiring someone with the equipment and the experience they should be able to have all crap gone and even some site prep if needed done in a day or two then depending on what you need to do renting might be the way to go unless like stated you want to own a piece of equipment.
What is your budget?

I was thinking like 2500$-3000$ for a clunker I could use, tune up and resell after the project...

Might be way out of my price range with they way y'all's are talking
Sorry but that's not going to happen.  Add a 0 to that #.  Getting a mini that's too small will also be a huge mistake.  I would expect 20k$ at least for what you need.  Where is this at?  We can bring a good mini or a larger Linkbelt out and get it done for a fair price if you like?
Title: Re: Mini excavator?
Post by: Special T on April 11, 2017, 12:10:35 PM
Didn't see the price range till now. That kind of $ may get you an older Ford with a 3 point hitch for a  box scraper and feild mower but that's it.

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Title: Re: Mini excavator?
Post by: Happy Gilmore on April 11, 2017, 12:12:19 PM
Blade and thumb are a must. No less than a 10,000lb machine for demo and clean up. Little machines can't put anything into a dumpster. They don't have the weight to lift much or the reach.
Title: Re: Mini excavator?
Post by: Buckmark on April 11, 2017, 12:24:38 PM
2500-3000 will buy you some used tracks or a clean out bucket  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Mini excavator?
Post by: fishngamereaper on April 11, 2017, 12:55:49 PM
Unless you plan on making money with it don't buy one. Renting is way cheaper. Maintenance costs alone will hurt the wallet.
Title: Re: Mini excavator?
Post by: Firedogg on April 11, 2017, 03:43:59 PM
Find a used Case or John Deere backhoe with a thumb. A mini or sub compact anything will leave you frustrated up at a cabin property, especially the first time you need to remove a stump more than 10" across or have some big rocks.
Title: Re: Mini excavator?
Post by: luckyman on April 11, 2017, 05:36:36 PM
Pulling levers is the easy part but Unless you've operated equipment before you'll be surprised at how little you get done in a day. You will save a lot of money by hiring it out.
If you just want a cheap junker to mess with and have the time you may find something in real poor condition you can tinker with.
Title: Re: Mini excavator?
Post by: j_h_nimrod on April 11, 2017, 07:12:19 PM
It would likely be much more cost effective to hire it out. A good operator can easily get more done in a day than a novice can in a week of Saturdays. Your budget points that direction as well, maintenance and repair can be killer expensive on older machines.
Title: Re: Mini excavator?
Post by: Jpmiller on April 11, 2017, 08:19:30 PM
Bobcat tracked loader. You can get grapples, snow blower, stump grinders, augers, ditch witch, soil conditioners, field mowers, and any other attachments you want for it. It's a good way to get a machine and slowly add on for what you need. It doesn't "dig" well but for property maintenance I use it almost daily when I  am helping out my old man at his place and he is in it when it's just him. Way more versatile than an excavator and as long as it has tracks it'll go almost anywhere.
Title: Re: Mini excavator?
Post by: Wingin it on April 11, 2017, 08:45:42 PM
That budget won't buy you anything useful at all. You would be money way ahead to pay somebody else that money to perform the work for you. You will be lucky to get more than a day of work, maybe two for that by the time they mobilize a machine and spend some time on it. Hopefully you don't have to export much either because if so you are going to be way over that budget. If you are skilled at something try to work a trade for the work or a portion of it anyway.  :twocents:
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