Post by: johnr060 on May 01, 2017, 08:49:23 AM
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Post by: sumpnz on May 02, 2017, 09:02:56 AM
Stop talking about the weather :bdid:
:yeah:
That said, I'm calling it a no-go for Thursday. If I was in a powerboat I might go for it, but in a kayak, and launching/landing through a surf zone makes it too hazardous. They're calling for 5-8ft surf where I was going to go. Saturday is also looking like a probable no-go. I'd try the straights, but the currents are a bit much for me personally.
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on May 03, 2017, 12:01:03 PM
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Post by: Da stump on May 03, 2017, 03:26:52 PM
I will be on the Gold Rush.that is a great boat with a really good crew
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Post by: lokidog on May 03, 2017, 05:56:51 PM
Might have a seat or three open to share the trip on the 11th.
Post by: WSU on May 03, 2017, 06:38:15 PM
Not going out tomorrow, have to boat superintendent and others back and forth. However, Saturday I would like to go but really have no ideas on where to start. Anyone willing to share locations I'd appreciate the heads up. If the weather is nice, I can probably cruise as far as Port Angeles comfortably with the new boat.
Might have a seat or three open to share the trip on the 11th.
Check salmon u
Post by: h20hunter on May 03, 2017, 06:46:09 PM
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Post by: JimmyHoffa on May 03, 2017, 07:16:53 PM
How heavy of a rod is needed for halibut? I have an 8 foot "Down Rigger Medium" that is rated for 8-20 pound line. Shakespeare "President" 6300 reel. I know it's not a top of the line set up, and it's probably about 20 years old, but would it work? It's never been used.How big of a halibut do you want to catch?
Bait, weight and current could be tough on 20 lb line.
Post by: bobcat on May 03, 2017, 07:45:09 PM
How heavy of a rod is needed for halibut? I have an 8 foot "Down Rigger Medium" that is rated for 8-20 pound line. Shakespeare "President" 6300 reel. I know it's not a top of the line set up, and it's probably about 20 years old, but would it work? It's never been used.How big of a halibut do you want to catch?
Bait, weight and current could be tough on 20 lb line.
Yeah that's what I figured. I don't have much experience fishing salt water, so yeah, probably a dumb question.
Post by: Crunchy on May 03, 2017, 07:49:38 PM
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Post by: robodad on May 04, 2017, 08:41:03 PM
A downrigger rod wont work unless you are fishing in 150 feet or less. Typically for halis you are bottom bouncing 8-20 oz of lead. You want a relatively stiff rod.
It's definitely prefered to have a very stiff rod whenever bottom bouncing !!
Post by: notellumcreek on May 05, 2017, 06:35:02 AM
Post by: snocohunter on May 05, 2017, 10:06:05 AM
Well, I wasn't where the fish were, probably 50+ boats and checker saw one fish. I didn't even catch a dogfish and we had the mother of all chum lines out. Can't beat the weather and tide, don't get a sunburn on early season fishing often.
Almost identical to our day. We had some awesome bait bombs down on the line and couldn't buy a bit in mutiny bay. Thinking we should have went hunting for deep bait somewhere but i got a sunburn to prove it was a good day for a boat ride none the less.
Post by: Dmulcahy on May 05, 2017, 10:13:51 AM
Post by: lokidog on May 05, 2017, 08:55:23 PM
We went 3 for 3 in our boat. Biggest fish was 60 pounds. Got back to the ramp at 4:00pm only 6 fished checked before ours. :dunno:
Nice job! Were you guys way out by Seiku, or inside? What depth were you finding them if inside?
Post by: JKEEN33 on May 05, 2017, 09:40:01 PM
Post by: lokidog on May 05, 2017, 10:48:21 PM
We fished out of Neah Bay. All our "sure thing"spots were dead. I heard the same report about the long lines up to the sport opener.
Seems like a pretty screwy deal that our "share" of the resource comes behind the other special group. >:(
Post by: JKEEN33 on May 06, 2017, 05:13:07 AM
We fished out of Neah Bay. All our "sure thing"spots were dead. I heard the same report about the long lines up to the sport opener.
Seems like a pretty screwy deal that our "share" of the resource comes behind the other special group. >:(
Agreed. If you decide to head offshore next week send me a PM and I'll give you some coordinates. Heading out now and will have a better idea of where to go next week. I don't think we will be out again this year.
Post by: Mfowl on May 06, 2017, 04:39:36 PM
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Post by: JKEEN33 on May 07, 2017, 07:57:35 AM
Post by: The scout on May 07, 2017, 08:12:45 AM
Post by: JKEEN33 on May 07, 2017, 04:56:49 PM
Jkeen are you trying to tell me you think we may not be getting our 50% of the fish :bash:Not a valid %s URL
Going to have a hard time convincing me that they can come up with a valid number of lbs taken without checking fish.
Post by: The scout on May 07, 2017, 05:12:56 PM
Post by: 2labs on May 07, 2017, 06:10:24 PM
It's a native show. :chuckle:
Post by: Stein on May 07, 2017, 06:52:15 PM
Jkeen are you trying to tell me you think we may not be getting our 50% of the fish :bash:Not a valid %s URL
Going to have a hard time convincing me that they can come up with a valid number of lbs taken without checking fish.
They check fish at launches and take aerial surveys. They know how many fish/boat, the average size and how many boats fished. It isn't 100% accurate, but they get close and it's the same way they use for every other short season like shrimp.
Post by: JKEEN33 on May 07, 2017, 07:19:11 PM
Jkeen are you trying to tell me you think we may not be getting our 50% of the fish :bash:Not a valid %s URL
Going to have a hard time convincing me that they can come up with a valid number of lbs taken without checking fish.
They check fish at launches and take aerial surveys. They know how many fish/boat, the average size and how many boats fished. It isn't 100% accurate, but they get close and it's the same way they use for every other short season like shrimp.
That's what I said up above. They were not checking for fish well. I bet there was less than 1 in 20 boats coming in with a halibut. Curious to see the reports next week about how great the the fishing was. We had our limits, but this was by far the worst I have ever seen in a opener that had some of the best fishing weather I have seen for fishing.
If my quota is going to be by the pound, I want them out checking the fish.
Post by: Mfowl on May 07, 2017, 07:35:38 PM
Jkeen are you trying to tell me you think we may not be getting our 50% of the fish :bash:Not a valid %s URL
Going to have a hard time convincing me that they can come up with a valid number of lbs taken without checking fish.
They check fish at launches and take aerial surveys. They know how many fish/boat, the average size and how many boats fished. It isn't 100% accurate, but they get close and it's the same way they use for every other short season like shrimp.
That's what I said up above. They were not checking for fish well. I bet there was less than 1 in 20 boats coming in with a halibut. Curious to see the reports next week about how great the the fishing was. We had our limits, but this was by far the worst I have ever seen in a opener that had some of the best fishing weather I have seen for fishing.
If my quota is going to be by the pound, I want them out checking the fish.
We were not checked at all at Neah Bay, any day we fished. At one point I walked by 5 fish checkers standing around together at the top of the ramp to the Big Salmon dock, on dry land! I agree that the math behind tracking the quota is flawed.
Post by: Stein on May 07, 2017, 07:39:38 PM
Post by: JKEEN33 on May 07, 2017, 07:47:26 PM
Post by: gasman on May 07, 2017, 07:55:03 PM
Two years ago we were fishing out of Sequim came in and we had a 45 pound halibut in the boat got to the doock and the fish checker took measurements of the fish and markdown that the weight of the fish was 36 pounds. Now the scale I used it in my boat said 45 pounds.
Then there was a 108 pound halibut hanging from the scale at the dock and the fish Checker took the measurements and record it as 146 pound halibut, just by the measurement, the actual weight on the scale didn't matter.
Post by: Mfowl on May 07, 2017, 08:01:58 PM
How can you say the math behind the tracking is flawed? What formula do they use and what is incorrect about it?
From my understanding, they compile info from the boats checked and apply a number based off of that to the entire fleet in a given port. Its an assumption based off a sampling. Could be accurate or could be way off. I feel that there should be a tag system like your deer tag that you have to report on within 10 or less days of harvest. Its the technology age, you could report from your boat on the water if you wanted to. :twocents:
Post by: JKEEN33 on May 07, 2017, 08:03:07 PM
Flawed, oh hell yeah. Here's an example.
Two years ago we were fishing out of Sequim came in and we had a 45 pound halibut in the boat got to the doock and the fish checker took measurements of the fish and markdown that the weight of the fish was 36 pounds. Now the scale I used it in my boat said 45 pounds.
Then there was a 108 pound halibut hanging from the scale at the dock and the fish Checker took the measurements and record it as 146 pound halibut, just by the measurement, the actual weight on the scale didn't matter.
I can almost understand the weight to measurement being off, but when they flat out do not check boats for a catch or not irritates me. Especially when the success rate was as low as it was.
Post by: JKEEN33 on May 07, 2017, 08:08:25 PM
How can you say the math behind the tracking is flawed? What formula do they use and what is incorrect about it?
From my understanding, they compile info from the boats checked and apply a number based off of that to the entire fleet in a given port. Its an assumption based off a sampling. Could be accurate or could be way off. I feel that there should be a tag system like your deer tag that you have to report on within 10 or less days of harvest. Its the technology age, you could report from your boat on the water if you wanted to. :twocents:
I was saying the same thing Saturday. Sports guys get a few "potential" days at the end of the season. Needs to be a better way of determining the catch. I saw a lot of 12-15 lb fish that I would never keep. I doubt they are applying a 15 lb average to each fish caught.
Post by: Mfowl on May 07, 2017, 08:11:01 PM
How can you say the math behind the tracking is flawed? What formula do they use and what is incorrect about it?
From my understanding, they compile info from the boats checked and apply a number based off of that to the entire fleet in a given port. Its an assumption based off a sampling. Could be accurate or could be way off. I feel that there should be a tag system like your deer tag that you have to report on within 10 or less days of harvest. Its the technology age, you could report from your boat on the water if you wanted to. :twocents:
I was saying the same thing Saturday. Sports guys get a few "potential" days at the end of the season. Needs to be a better way of determining the catch. I saw a lot of 12-15 lb fish that I would never keep. I doubt they are applying a 15 lb average to each fish caught.
Agreed, most of the fish I saw on the docks were very small. I saw one guy carrying a 5 gal bucket with 3 halibut tails sticking out of it.
Post by: The scout on May 07, 2017, 08:27:32 PM
Post by: fishngamereaper on May 07, 2017, 08:32:10 PM
As for the math. Besides dock checks WDFW does spot checks by plane. They count boats and average halibut caught lbs per boat. Oddly enough they did this on Sat, when a percentage of the boats where actually only shrimping.
Based on the people I know it sounds like in area 4 east down to area 9 there where on average 1 halibut caught per 15 boats. Will see what "math" the state uses and how much they tell us we caught this week.
Post by: The scout on May 07, 2017, 08:39:17 PM
Post by: Dmulcahy on May 08, 2017, 05:58:12 AM
Nice job! Were you guys way out by Seiku, or inside? What depth were you finding them if inside?
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We were inside area 6, fishing about 130'
Post by: baldopepper on May 08, 2017, 06:23:57 AM
Post by: kball4 on May 08, 2017, 06:37:38 AM
Post by: JKEEN33 on May 08, 2017, 06:40:32 AM
Went out of Neah Bay with my future son in law on his Defiance 290 boat. Limited on butts, lings and bass Thursday and Saturday and bass and in shore lings Friday and Sunday. New experience for me, but he knew what he was doing. Seems the boats that went way out (he said we went out 45 miles) had no trouble getting their halibut and lings, but guys we talked to that stayed in closer were really struggling. Never used an electric reel before, seemed kinda like cheating, but were fishing down about 600 ft. and I was only too happy to just push a button. 6 of us on his boat so filleting took a long time at the end of the trip but nice to have all that fish in the freezer. Good trip but those trips out and back are hard on an old body.
Nice load of fish. Not sure it was the distance, but knowing some of the less popular spots. I know several people that fished the further holes with no luck. We had our success on the less popular spots.
I'm definitely considering the electric reels. Gets tough when you have to fish the 500-600 foot holes all day. Do you know what reels you were using?
Post by: baldopepper on May 08, 2017, 06:56:16 AM
We were using the red Daiwa's-had trouble with the power cords on a couple of them and I guess that's not uncommon. Poor connection right at the reel and they break quite often the guys told me. He thinks he's gonna hard tape them about 6" down from the reel to take the stress off.Went out of Neah Bay with my future son in law on his Defiance 290 boat. Limited on butts, lings and bass Thursday and Saturday and bass and in shore lings Friday and Sunday. New experience for me, but he knew what he was doing. Seems the boats that went way out (he said we went out 45 miles) had no trouble getting their halibut and lings, but guys we talked to that stayed in closer were really struggling. Never used an electric reel before, seemed kinda like cheating, but were fishing down about 600 ft. and I was only too happy to just push a button. 6 of us on his boat so filleting took a long time at the end of the trip but nice to have all that fish in the freezer. Good trip but those trips out and back are hard on an old body.
Nice load of fish. Not sure it was the distance, but knowing some of the less popular spots. I know several people that fished the further holes with no luck. We had our success on the less popular spots.
I'm definitely considering the electric reels. Gets tough when you have to fish the 500-600 foot holes all day. Do you know what reels you were using?
Post by: Moose22 on May 08, 2017, 10:05:01 PM
The most important thing we need to do is encourage all sportsman to turn in punch cards!!!
Post by: lokidog on May 08, 2017, 10:14:38 PM
I understand all the frustation that is being expressed in this thread. One thing that is really killing the sport fishing is returned punch cards. Cards that are not turned are counted as full, acorrding to one particular game warden that I had a long discussion with. Creel checks and fly overs are silly and encounters (fishermen that tell the fish checker that they released a fish counts towards OUR limit) are killing us.
The most important thing we need to do is encourage all sportsman to turn in punch cards!!!
And not brag about all those released fish...... :rolleyes:
Post by: Moose22 on May 08, 2017, 10:41:56 PM
Amen brother!I understand all the frustation that is being expressed in this thread. One thing that is really killing the sport fishing is returned punch cards. Cards that are not turned are counted as full, acorrding to one particular game warden that I had a long discussion with. Creel checks and fly overs are silly and encounters (fishermen that tell the fish checker that they released a fish counts towards OUR limit) are killing us.
The most important thing we need to do is encourage all sportsman to turn in punch cards!!!
And not brag about all those released fish...... :rolleyes:
Post by: JKEEN33 on May 08, 2017, 10:49:58 PM
As far as punchcards for halibut, the catch is totaled before cards are due so I'm not sure how that would affect the halibut quota. They usually have an estimate after the first week to decide if sports gets a full second week.
Post by: Moose22 on May 08, 2017, 11:05:46 PM
Agreed about the released fish. It's not illegal to release, so what I came in with is all I caught.
As far as punchcards for halibut, the catch is totaled before cards are due so I'm not sure how that would affect the halibut quota. They usually have an estimate after the first week to decide if sports gets a full second week.
You are correct. I guess my complaint about returned cards (lack of) had more to do with salmon and steelhead. I don't know how to have a better account of flatties and other bottom fish counts, but we all know the fish checks on a few boat catch that are counted and then a fly by and count boats, averaging that catch, is not helping us.
Post by: James on May 09, 2017, 08:17:19 AM
Heading out wed after work to fish the Thursday opener. Hoping for the best!