Post by: Oh Mah on May 06, 2017, 02:16:23 PM
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on May 06, 2017, 02:19:01 PM
Post by: hunthard on May 06, 2017, 03:46:15 PM
Post by: Oh Mah on May 06, 2017, 03:49:54 PM
Post by: Antlershed on May 06, 2017, 06:02:24 PM
Post by: Oh Mah on May 06, 2017, 06:17:26 PM
The agreement (if you really wanna call it that) is done annually I believe.I thought agreement was exactly what it is called.
Post by: hunthard on May 06, 2017, 07:01:47 PM
Post by: Oh Mah on May 06, 2017, 07:05:03 PM
Post by: Antlershed on May 06, 2017, 08:51:13 PM
The tribes forcing what they want, and the state rolling over isn't my idea of an agreement.The agreement (if you really wanna call it that) is done annually I believe.I thought agreement was exactly what it is called.
Post by: Odell on May 09, 2017, 10:11:36 AM
Post by: cavemann on May 09, 2017, 11:37:28 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on May 09, 2017, 12:00:01 PM
Post by: Oh Mah on May 09, 2017, 06:23:59 PM
word is it will be the same as last year... Regs show it that way as well already. Nisqually is jacked up as well, closes right when the silver run starts to heat up.. It boiled with silvers last year after they closed it. frustrating.Are the fishing regs out?
Post by: Oh Mah on May 09, 2017, 06:25:32 PM
After speaking to one of the highest guys dealing with these issues I'd put it at 50/50Thanks Odell,could you explain please what you've heard?Are they thinking of closing it to non tribal again or for good?
Post by: Odell on May 11, 2017, 08:54:13 AM
After speaking to one of the highest guys dealing with these issues I'd put it at 50/50Thanks Odell,could you explain please what you've heard?Are they thinking of closing it to non tribal again or for good?
Closed to non-tribal is what he thinks could happen.Tribes are gonna fish.
Post by: 7mmfan on May 11, 2017, 09:19:35 AM
The state's hands are literally tied shut. They have to use the best available science to establish fisheries for sportsman and non-tribal commercial fisheries. If that science says the run is going to be depressed, they don't have an option but to cut our seasons. The tribes will continue to do what they want until the Fed's take them to court over it.
Public outcry, news, social and other forms of media are the only way to shed light on the situation, and it is slowly beginning to take effect. Giant piles of rotting salmon dumped after gill netting for eggs are great. If we could get pictures of downstream endangered Skagit winter steelhead in gill nets while they fish for springers, that would be great too. Eventually enough of the general public will see the light and the cryout will begin. The tribes will have to back pedal to save face.
Post by: doyourtime89 on May 11, 2017, 10:55:46 AM
Post by: Oh Mah on May 11, 2017, 04:48:08 PM
Everyone needs to realize that the state literally has zero say in what the tribes do. It's a federal issue that the feds will not touch. The state can bicker back and forth and wheel and deal and try to make an "agreement" but as soon WDFW tries to dig their heals in and make a stand, the tribes will just say f.o. and do whatever they want anyway.Thats a great point,we don't need the eggs if we cant fish they lose money.The state could put an outright ban on all non tribal gambling,if they don't want to play fair.
The state's hands are literally tied shut. They have to use the best available science to establish fisheries for sportsman and non-tribal commercial fisheries. If that science says the run is going to be depressed, they don't have an option but to cut our seasons. The tribes will continue to do what they want until the Fed's take them to court over it.
Public outcry, news, social and other forms of media are the only way to shed light on the situation, and it is slowly beginning to take effect. Giant piles of rotting salmon dumped after gill netting for eggs are great. If we could get pictures of downstream endangered Skagit winter steelhead in gill nets while they fish for springers, that would be great too. Eventually enough of the general public will see the light and the cryout will begin. The tribes will have to back pedal to save face.
Post by: 7mmfan on May 12, 2017, 08:01:57 AM
Everyone needs to realize that the state literally has zero say in what the tribes do. It's a federal issue that the feds will not touch. The state can bicker back and forth and wheel and deal and try to make an "agreement" but as soon WDFW tries to dig their heals in and make a stand, the tribes will just say f.o. and do whatever they want anyway.Thats a great point,we don't need the eggs if we cant fish they lose money.The state could put an outright ban on all non tribal gambling,if they don't want to play fair.
The state's hands are literally tied shut. They have to use the best available science to establish fisheries for sportsman and non-tribal commercial fisheries. If that science says the run is going to be depressed, they don't have an option but to cut our seasons. The tribes will continue to do what they want until the Fed's take them to court over it.
Public outcry, news, social and other forms of media are the only way to shed light on the situation, and it is slowly beginning to take effect. Giant piles of rotting salmon dumped after gill netting for eggs are great. If we could get pictures of downstream endangered Skagit winter steelhead in gill nets while they fish for springers, that would be great too. Eventually enough of the general public will see the light and the cryout will begin. The tribes will have to back pedal to save face.
Just for reference, the eggs that the natives are taking from the chums and pinks are almost exclusively being sent overseas to Sushi suppliers. Some of them stay here for the same reason. Virtually none of it is used for bait. One more reason that the general public needs to be made aware of what is happening there. If you could get a bunch of sushi eating Seattle leftists seeing giant piles of rotting carcasses just so they can have their sushi, it might just get the ball rolling...
Post by: BigGoonTuna on May 12, 2017, 08:27:30 AM
looking at the agreed upon seasons, it's nice to see the nisqually going back to a normal season for once, at least as long as they don't change anything in the official regs. none of the weekday closures or shutting down after august BS.
Post by: shadowless_nite on May 12, 2017, 01:09:13 PM
Post by: nwmein199 on May 17, 2017, 01:55:35 PM
Post by: Alchase on May 17, 2017, 03:10:30 PM
I have fished the Puyallup for over 10 years and this is ridiculous. I am about at the point that the river should only be open to natives (hear me out). After a couple years and when no salmon are in the river anymore, we will know who to blame...not like that would actually stop them from netting and throwing half of their days catch on the bank to rot.
The natives control the hatcheries?
Hence why the pinks are their instead of Stealhead and hardly any other salmon besides pinks.
Post by: Bullkllr on May 17, 2017, 04:12:36 PM
I have fished the Puyallup for over 10 years and this is ridiculous. I am about at the point that the river should only be open to natives (hear me out). After a couple years and when no salmon are in the river anymore, we will know who to blame...not like that would actually stop them from netting and throwing half of their days catch on the bank to rot.
The natives control the hatcheries?
Hence why the pinks are their instead of Stealhead and hardly any other salmon besides pinks.
Puyallup pink run is 100% wild. Not that the Tribe is not at least partly responsible for what gets planted.