Post by: DJ_Mack on May 08, 2017, 12:35:04 PM
Post by: high country on May 08, 2017, 12:48:19 PM
Those answers will help get you the right gun.
Post by: DJ_Mack on May 08, 2017, 01:27:41 PM
Post by: Henrydog on May 08, 2017, 01:43:26 PM
Post by: DJ_Mack on May 08, 2017, 02:44:10 PM
Browning Citori CX they are $1500 and will last 10x longer than anything made in Turkey
Is this what you have? How much bird hunting do you do with it?
Post by: jackson7 on May 08, 2017, 03:10:31 PM
Post by: ghosthunter on May 08, 2017, 03:18:46 PM
I plan on hunting grouse and pheasant and shooting clays. I want it to be 12 gauge. My budget can be 2000$ if it is worth the money. But if it is 2000$ it will be a while before purchase. My cousin just bought a stoeger condor and it looks nice but the break action required two hands to open. I didn't know if that is how they all are when they are new or if it was just a cheaper shotgun.
I have a Stoeger and love it . The action loosen up real quick with use. Mine is a Long fowler. Just have to break it in. And it has a lifetime warranty.
Also Skagit Arms has a good selection of used O/U. :tup:
Post by: Miles on May 08, 2017, 03:19:54 PM
I've shot Charles Daly, Ruger Red Label, etc... and none felt as good to me as the 101. I've shot literally thousands of rounds through it on trap and skeet teams and never had any mechanical issues.
With O/U shotguns first determining factor should be fit IMO (unless you're going to have it professionally fitted to you, then in that case the #1 focus should be on quality).
Post by: aaronoto on May 08, 2017, 04:30:48 PM
If you're looking for something in-between price wise check out the Franchi Instinct line and CZ. Both around or just over $1,000.
Post by: jackelope on May 08, 2017, 04:49:13 PM
Post by: wadu1 on May 08, 2017, 05:07:15 PM
Browning Citori CX they are $1500 and will last 10x longer than anything made in TurkeyI concur with Henerydog, Browning over any Turkey made gun even some made in Italy or Spain. As noted the Winchester 101's are a good bet or a FNH. Also note that Browning, Winchester and FNH have a common choke system, Invector+ that are easy to find after market same goes for Beretta. Like the loping jack said it's all about fit. My :twocents: is to stay away from the lower end O/U's if you have a problem it may take months to get repaired if part can be found. I shoot between 5,000 and 6,000 round a year with a brace of Browning's 12, 20, 28 and 410.
Post by: fish vacuum on May 08, 2017, 05:28:37 PM
Also Skagit Arms has a good selection of used O/U. :tup:
I was there today. They had a few used O/U's. Their prices were the same as what Cabela's is asking for NEW ones.
Post by: hookr88 on May 08, 2017, 06:52:50 PM
Post by: northwesthunter84 on May 08, 2017, 07:59:13 PM
Post by: high country on May 08, 2017, 09:14:21 PM
As said fit is everything. I just tripped a 28ga silver pigeon grade 5 and I couldn't do it soon enough because it just didn't fit me well.
The red label is a heavy gun compared to the beretta @ very light. The miroku and skb fit in between. I'd avoid a Turkish gun for skeet, ok to hunt with but not going to take the 20k rounds of the better italian, American and Japanese guns.....and I've got all of those so it's not as if I'm not about owning one.
Post by: Henrydog on May 09, 2017, 06:16:52 AM
Browning Citori CX they are $1500 and will last 10x longer than anything made in Turkey
Is this what you have? How much bird hunting do you do with it?
I bought a CX last June they pattern 60/40 so they shoot a little high for a raising target. The are 3" invector plus and come with 3 or 4 chokes, I can't remember because I also bought some aftermarket ones. Last fall he shot 14 pheasants 3 huns and a dozen quail with it. We also shoot ATA trap, he is hold a 93% avg in singles and 89% with Handicap even though it is not a trap gun. To date he had 6300 shells down the tube and not a single issue. Best $1500 I think I have ever spent
Post by: AWS on May 09, 2017, 07:45:12 AM
As others have said, if you plan to shoot a lot, spend the money for an O/U that is built to shoot a lot. If your a casual shooter, maybe a flat a year just about anything will work.
I still have my first Win 101 and it was my competition gun for many years and later rechoked into a bird gun and ha a quarter million shells plus through it and you still can't close it on a piece paper although it is on it's second stock. Another I have also circa 1966 has been my skeet gun and upland gun for 50+ years and is still going strong.
Post by: Dhoey07 on May 09, 2017, 07:54:35 AM
Post by: follow maggie on May 09, 2017, 11:40:34 AM
Post by: singleshot12 on May 09, 2017, 11:49:05 AM
Post by: singleshot12 on May 09, 2017, 11:56:22 AM
Browning Citori CX they are $1500 and will last 10x longer than anything made in Turkey
Don't agree. Do you have any long term experience with either?
Post by: Henrydog on May 09, 2017, 12:14:37 PM
Browning Citori CX they are $1500 and will last 10x longer than anything made in Turkey
Don't agree. Do you have any long term experience with either?
Yup I sure do, and no I am not a Kreghoff or Kolar snob. I personally shoot 10k 12 Ga a year, my teenager shoots 6500 a year. We use our guns, and we use them a lot. I own Japanese Brownings, Belgium Brownings, 870's, Benelli's, Ithaca 37, and the only shotgun that I have any problems with is the Turkish stuff. A Citori is not a high dollar shotgun, yes it is $400-500 more than a Tristar or Bicaial, CZ but he could give it in shooting condition to his grandkids. Sometimes there is value in not being "cheap"
Post by: singleshot12 on May 09, 2017, 12:24:27 PM
And I would say most folks would consider @1500$ a high dollar gun
Post by: Henrydog on May 09, 2017, 12:39:25 PM
A family friend who kids is on the same trap team as my kid had a TriStar that after 1200 rounds the lever was bottomed out and looser than my 1972 BT99 that has had 1/4 million rounds down it.
And finally last month at the NW Grand @ the Spokane Gun club a kid from Montana with a brand new Turkish SKB single barrel trap had his firing pin break. It was April and he said he got in February. He was shooting Federal GM factory loads so it was not a ammo issue.
Post by: high country on May 09, 2017, 03:22:43 PM
Highcountry, Mirkou made Charles Daley and Browning Citories. The 101 was built as a joint venture between Olin and Kendosha Manufacturing the same company that made Nikko shotguns.
As others have said, if you plan to shoot a lot, spend the money for an O/U that is built to shoot a lot. If your a casual shooter, maybe a flat a year just about anything will work.
I still have my first Win 101 and it was my competition gun for many years and later rechoked into a bird gun and ha a quarter million shells plus through it and you still can't close it on a piece paper although it is on it's second stock. Another I have also circa 1966 has been my skeet gun and upland gun for 50+ years and is still going strong.
You're correct. It was Weatherby they made them for, still a fine gun for the money.
Post by: high country on May 09, 2017, 03:24:28 PM
Post by: DJ_Mack on May 09, 2017, 08:04:15 PM
Post by: Henrydog on May 10, 2017, 06:16:35 AM