Post by: CP on May 15, 2017, 06:40:39 AM
The lower one has me a bit worried; seems bulged a bit. But maybe I didn’t get it seated properly.
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Post by: yorketransport on May 15, 2017, 01:49:29 PM
Post by: CP on May 15, 2017, 01:59:40 PM
Is it just me or does that bottom primer look like it's actually backed out a bit? Plus, by the time you've flattened the primer on a 30-30, you're already way beyond safe pressures.
It's either backed out a bit or it wasn't properly seated to begin with.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on May 15, 2017, 02:36:39 PM
Post by: JDHasty on May 15, 2017, 02:58:39 PM
Is it just me or does that bottom primer look like it's actually backed out a bit? Plus, by the time you've flattened the primer on a 30-30, you're already way beyond safe pressures.
Flattened primers can also indicate slightly excessive headspace and the primer has backed out then when the case stretches the head of the case will come back over the primer until it is stopped by the bolt face. I have seen this happen quite a bit when people were making 7-30 Waters, 30 Herrett, 375 Herrett and in just plain vanilla 30-30. I think it is more common with 30-30 than others because people assume that the cartridge will headspace on the rim and are not that careful to place the false shoulder so that the action will barely close on the case.
Post by: CP on May 15, 2017, 03:28:15 PM
Measure your brass above base and compare to lighter round. Can give you some feedback.
I trimmed it to 2.030" before firing and it did not exceed 2.040" after firing and sizing but that's all I know since I tossed it in the pile with the others.
Post by: yorketransport on May 15, 2017, 03:34:57 PM
Is it just me or does that bottom primer look like it's actually backed out a bit? Plus, by the time you've flattened the primer on a 30-30, you're already way beyond safe pressures.
Flattened primers can also indicate slightly excessive headspace and the primer has backed out then when the case stretches the head of the case will come back over the primer until it is stopped by the bolt face. I have seen this happen quite a bit when people were making 7-30 Waters, 30 Herrett, 375 Herrett and in just plain vanilla 30-30. I think it is more common with 30-30 than others because people assume that the cartridge will headspace on the rim and are not that careful to place the false shoulder so that the action will barely close on the case.
I've seen that on lever and break actions and headspace is the first thing I thought when I saw that primer.
What make is the rifle?
Post by: CP on May 15, 2017, 03:41:24 PM
Post by: hogslayer on May 15, 2017, 04:08:57 PM
Post by: JDHasty on May 15, 2017, 04:16:09 PM
Not to try and derail the thread. But what's does case web expansion really tell you about over pressure? I have a very tight cut chamber and experience slight bolt lift and only have 2.5 thou expansion from factory brass. I loaded a 300wm hs precision for a friend and he has zero signs of pressure but has 9 thou expansion?
Brass varies in hardness depending upon brand and then even within the same brand. You want to measure an unfired case and then measure a fired case of known pressure if at all possible.
Post by: hogslayer on May 15, 2017, 04:33:50 PM
Post by: JDHasty on May 16, 2017, 08:41:45 AM
I get that brass has different hardness. This was done between Hornady brass on the 300, and norma brass on the 28. I was more curious how web expansion can dictate pressure since i had 9 thou expansion with no sticky bolt. Then have 2.5 on a tighter cut chamber and have sticky bolt.....
I have a really good article that was in Precision Shooting photocopied and tucked in the pages of one of my dozens of loading manuals, but could not find it last night.
In the mean time this is a short discussion from Hodgdon's website: http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/reloading-education/tips-and-tricks/simple-trick-monitoring-pressure-your-rifle-reloads
Using a blade micrometer that measures in ten thousandths (.0001"), new, unfired cases can be gauged before and after firing to determine reasonably accurate maximum loads. Micrometers measuring in thousandths (.001") are insufficiently accurate to perform these measurements, and should not be used. Previously fired cases cannot be used accurately due to various levels of brass hardening. Measurement is taken just ahead of the extractor groove on the case head and must be taken at the same place on the case before and after firing. By placing a small mark on the case head – entering the cartridge in the chamber with mark at 12 o’clock – a consistently accurate measurement can be taken with each firing.
Post by: high country on May 16, 2017, 11:35:47 AM
I get that brass has different hardness. This was done between Hornady brass on the 300, and norma brass on the 28. I was more curious how web expansion can dictate pressure since i had 9 thou expansion with no sticky bolt. Then have 2.5 on a tighter cut chamber and have sticky bolt.....
Pull your measuments from the case just in front of the extractor groove. That area is unsupported and will show you expansion. If it grows .009" the primer will fall out.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on May 18, 2017, 12:50:00 PM
No need for anything other than a blade micrometer in my experience with large magnum cases.