Post by: Wacenturion on May 15, 2017, 10:34:07 AM
Loads of fun and brought back memories of driving the ol' grey Ford tractors on my Grandfather's and uncle's places in eastern Iowa when I was a kid. Finished with all the seeding on Friday afternoon just an hour before a good rain. Could not have timed it better. Thought I would share some pictures. Notice the deer cops making sure I didn't go over the speed limit.
Post by: Wacenturion on May 15, 2017, 10:37:59 AM
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Sounds like you need to do a little doer work to create a couple more benches of the place!
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You read my mind....have already been considering that. :tup:
Post by: Taco280AI on May 15, 2017, 10:45:14 AM
Post by: Dan-o on May 15, 2017, 11:00:20 AM
Do you mind me akskng how many acres?
Post by: Wacenturion on May 15, 2017, 11:29:56 AM
Wow, your property is absolutely beautiful!!!
Do you mind me akskng how many acres?
It's 117.5 acres of which 62 is classified tillable (that is if you have the right equipment :chuckle:) and roughly 55 acres in uplands and timber. You can see the tillable acres in the picture....yellow fields, the large one and the smaller one above. They end about half way up to top of property.
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Post by: Wacenturion on May 16, 2017, 10:00:38 AM
Your clover looks good, I really like planting clover, the critters love it. :tup:
Bearpaw, those photos were taken late November of last year, about two months after planting. I have already started spraying the grass that's competing. Clover is pretty amazing when you get a couple really warm days. It literally comes out of it somewhat dormant state and doubles or triples in size in a day or two of hot weather. Even in it's early stages, both whitetails and turkeys are starting to use it.
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Post by: Wacenturion on May 16, 2017, 11:03:52 AM
That looks great. Congratulations on a successful project.
Thanks....if it all comes up it will be, successful, that is.... :chuckle: If not, a learning process.
Post by: Rainier10 on May 16, 2017, 11:15:28 AM
Well the access roads look pretty good so I am thinking that the rest should turn out similar if not better.That looks great. Congratulations on a successful project.
Thanks....if it all comes up it will be, successful, that is.... :chuckle: If not, a learning process.
Sidenote I got that game cam in the mail. I need to get with you and get it set up. After that I may be picking your brain about that food plot.
Post by: bearpaw on May 17, 2017, 01:02:46 AM
Your clover looks good, I really like planting clover, the critters love it. :tup:
Bearpaw, those photos were taken late November of last year, about two months after planting. I have already started spraying the grass that's competing. Clover is pretty amazing when you get a couple really warm days. It literally comes out of it somewhat dormant state and doubles or triples in size in a day or two of hot weather. Even in it's early stages, both whitetails and turkeys are starting to use it.
I've been growing clover 3 or 4 years now, great stuff. We tried all kinds of other plantings before the clover, but I've had the best luck with clover and oats, both are very easy to grow. We planted several new types of clover this year to analyze which we like the best and we are experimenting with some other grains. I'm going to plant a few other things again this year to compare against the clover and a few things for late fall attraction. It seems that the attraction to clover and alfalfa lessens after the nights start frosting hard. Weeds are the biggest challenge I've had, I finally had to invest in several herbicides and that really helps. It has all been an interesting learning process. :chuckle:
Post by: Wacenturion on May 17, 2017, 07:51:04 AM
When I had to reseed I thought, wait a minute, I have a mile of these trails and I can mow and drive on clover just as well as turf....so the first ranch food plot came about because of that event.
This year's planting like I said are experimental as I really don't have a good feel yet for what will work and what won't. The long strips that are in the photos where you see the Ford tractor I used a mixture of clover, chickory and some dryland alfalfa that has proven somewhat successful in rangeland applications. The upper 1/4 acre wide spot at the top of those strips is planted with a mixture that includes some chickory and a different clover, as well as burnett and some wheat. Pretty much perennial plantings that hopefully will last a few years.
The long 650' strip on my western fenceline is an annual planting and has a mixture of WGF sorgum, sunflower and sun hemp for height. In addition there is WGF soybeans, cowpeas, and lab lab which are vines that grow....hopefully up the taller components. There is also some jap and proso millet in the mix as well. This is in the first 400' plus or minus.
Of the the remaining 250 feet in front of the portable blind 200' is the chufa patch....again an experiment primarily for turkeys. The remaining 50' is split in half and has straight sunflowers to the rear and and sweet corn up front. Figured I might as well try to have something to eat myself.
So we'll wait and see. Mowed, sprayed, put down lime and resprayed where needed. Then seeded according to what was planted. Only wish I had a cultipacker to go with the other implements. On my wish list. Only thing I might add as you well know, is when you're trying to take advantage of Mother Nature's generosity for providing irrigation, you sometimes have to take risks and perhaps hurry the process, less you get no rain help. :chuckle:
Post by: nwwanderer on May 17, 2017, 08:12:04 AM
Post by: bearpaw on May 17, 2017, 12:26:28 PM
I have a two bottom plow but rarely use it now, I prefer to disc or use a spring tooth whenever possible.
Cultipacker or Roller Compactor
I wanted a cultipacker but the weight and cost were prohibitive. I bought a roller from North 40 (Big R), it works great, if I'm planting seed that needs to be deeper than clover or oats, I use a piece of harrow behind the ATV before I roll and pack the ground. Home depot sells a similar roller.
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Agri-Fab-18-in-x-48-in-Poly-Tow-Lawn-Roller-45-0269/202638981?cm_mmc=Shopping%7cTHD%7cG%7c0%7cG-BASE-PLA-D28I-LawnMowers%7c&gclid=CjwKEAjw6e_IBRDvorfv2Ku79jMSJAAuiv9Y9xa4QgisHzFuqO69SmNKj-jr0nQsz-_rSpQRAeS2FxoCc1bw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
Some of my planting adventures, still learning more every year!
- Oats work great, they always grow, don't need irrigation, wildlife likes the young stems in the spring, turkeys eat the seed in the fall
- Winter wheat or rye, good late fall and early spring greenery when other plantings aren't growing or attractive
- Purple top turnips grew well and attracted deer, I'm going to plant some again with some radishes to compare them
- Alfalfa we tried didn't do well with heavy grazing, I'm going to try a grazing variety, maybe this year
- Still learning which clover varieties are best, each has specific requirements and longevity, want clover that doesn't need irrigation
- Chufa didn't grow, going to try again someday, love to hear if you have success and if it grows the following year
- Planted sanfoin in a dry area and a partially shaded area with irrigation, neither did well, I think it needs lime, will plant again with lime
- Buckwheat grew well, got 6 inches tall and deer mowed it smooth to the ground, they loved it, didn't have a large enough patch, will plant more
- Austrian Winter Peas didn't do well in my plots
As I mentioned before, clover, oats and grains have worked the best for me in my area, but your soil and climate are different, you have to find what works best in your area. I just bought some cow peas, chickory, and forage radishes to try this year if it quits raining long enough for me to work the soil up here. I have found that it sure is a lot of fun messing around with these food plots. :chuckle:
Post by: LeviD1 on May 18, 2017, 03:15:54 AM
Post by: Wacenturion on May 18, 2017, 10:03:55 AM
Wow I'm super jealous of your tractor and how many acres you have. I would love if you guys could tell me where you purchase your seed from? Also recommendation on planting in hot, non irrigated dry area North of spokane. I tried a chicory, alfalfa, clover mix I bought off a site but everything besides the clover burned out. Clover is dry late July/ August. My plot is about an acre
As I mentioned above, pretty much experimental on my place at the moment. I can tell you however, probably the most important step is a soil test to determine your plot soil's ph. Second most important after mowing, spraying and tearing up the plot is to add the appropriate amount of lime suggested per 1000 square feet or by the acre to get your soil's ph at the level that the plants you are using thrive in. Adding fertilizer also comes into play at this point or shortly after depending on plant species.
Planting depth is paramount. With clovers, chickory, and alfalfa, if you don't have a cultipacker or something similar like a roller, do not do anymore than broadcast the seed as it only needs firm contact with the soil. Anything over 1/8 inch deep and it probably won't work. Other things obviously have different planting depths.
After that it's Mother Nature, and maintainance....spraying competing grasses and mowing to keep the perennials healthy. You may want to pick Bearpaw's brain as to areas up your way plant wise, although what I mentioned above applies anywhere.
I'm somewhat fortunate as my property is north facing and has Palouse silt loam, 8 to 25 percent slopes on the lower end and Palouse silt loam, 25 to 40 percent slopes above. On the extreme upper portion I have Gwin extremely rocky silt loam, 30 to 65 percent slopes. I also get lots of sun during the day. I have yet to hit or turn a rock on any plot so far. But again.....I'm in the trial and error mode at this point.
Seed sources are all over the place. After doing a lot of reseach I have pretty much gone with Whitetail institute products. They have a lot of good information on their site and videos to give you a good visual other than a picture of what you are planting looks like and it's attraction to wildlife. I have also used Hancock Seed in Florida for one mix and sunflowers. I also purchased a Tecomate product as well. In a nutshell everyone out there is selling similar type food plot stuff. You just have to read throught the lines. You might want to try Whitetail Institutes Extreme which is designed to alleviate shortcomings in ph, soil types and annual precrip. I put that out in one plot to see what it will do, as I have some areas up high where the soils are not like those in the tillable areas. If it does well in lesser conditions, it should go gangbusters where I put it. We'll see.......
An interesting informative article on Extreme.......
http://whitetailinstitute.blogspot.com/2014/06/imperial-whitetail-extremegoing-where.html
Post by: bearpaw on May 19, 2017, 07:22:01 AM
Wow I'm super jealous of your tractor and how many acres you have. I would love if you guys could tell me where you purchase your seed from? Also recommendation on planting in hot, non irrigated dry area North of spokane. I tried a chicory, alfalfa, clover mix I bought off a site but everything besides the clover burned out. Clover is dry late July/ August. My plot is about an acre
Try a dryland alfalfa or grain, there's alfalfa and grain growing all over NE WA, something should work. You will need to get it in the ground very soon though. If you can't get spring plantings through the summer you might try planting winter grains in late August, they will sprout with the first fall rain.
Farm supply stores have seed, in Colville I go to the Country Store, they have numerous other locations in WA. You could contact Rainier Seed in Davenport, their seed is locally adapted.
http://www.countrystore.net/our-locations/
http://rainierseeds.com/product-category/parent
There are a lot of seeds that are easier to find online and have shipped to you, I've used these sources:
http://welterseed.com/
http://www.deercreekseed.com/wildlife-food-plot-seed/
http://www.seedland.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=Seedland&Category_Code=Wildlife
http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/browse.cmd?N=1104128
http://sainfoinseed.com/
Oats have grown everywhere I've put them, including in the bed of my truck where I spilled them, there was no soil at all! :chuckle:
Post by: LeviD1 on May 19, 2017, 07:44:05 PM
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Post by: Wacenturion on May 30, 2017, 12:03:16 PM
Amazed at the rate of growth from thistle seed in the ground... :bash:
Post by: Rainier10 on May 30, 2017, 12:37:12 PM
Those thistle are relentless, any fresh bare ground and they just take off. We have been fighting them for three years now since the fire. Natural vegetation is taking hold, I am hoping that we only have two more years of spraying.
Really excited to see how this turns out for you. I will be trying to do the same thing in a year or two.
Post by: LeviD1 on May 30, 2017, 11:50:32 PM
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Post by: Wacenturion on May 31, 2017, 10:25:19 AM
I'm going to be spraying this coming weekend. I wish I lived there so I could keep up on it better.
Agree completely. Wish I were closer or lived there as well. Need to go back now and spread some more lime, mow and spray the grasses competing with the clover on the atv/utv trails, as well as check food plots for potential spraying.
Post by: Wacenturion on May 31, 2017, 10:29:46 AM
I've been doing food plots (pastures) for cattle 8-10 hours per day for the past 3 weekends with my 1952 8-N. Love working the ground with those old tractors!
Love those old Ford tractors. Brings back memories of driving them when I was a kid on my Grandfather's and uncle's farms in eastern Iowa. Amazing what they will do if one uses some common safety sense. I managed to pick up just about every implement I needed plus the tractor for a whole lot less than I would have spent on a newer used tractor. Easy to work on and parts readily available. :tup:
Post by: bearpaw on May 31, 2017, 02:46:26 PM
Post by: Wacenturion on May 31, 2017, 04:38:42 PM
My attachments are very similar, except I don't have a post hole drill, I can borrow that from a friend, and I have a spring tooth, I think that is a chisel point in your photo?
Bearpaw, if you are referring to the 4th picture down, thats a 7 blade cultivator. After mowing, then spraying to kill the grass so there would not be too much debris build up, I used the cultivator two weeks later to tear the ground up. Then I was able to make pretty much make quick work of things following up with the disc. The Ferguson two bottom plow in the first picture would go too deep for what I wanted to do as the cultivator just rips the top 6-7 inches.
You just reminded me I also have a Woods heavy duty post hole auger with 3 bits, 6 inch, 9 inch and a 12 inch. Only thing I want to add is a cultipacker.
Post by: bearpaw on May 31, 2017, 04:42:44 PM
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