Post by: wolfbait on May 18, 2017, 12:36:12 PM
"The PEER complaint cites the Forest Service’s legal responsibility to prevent these conflicts and urges the agency to exercise its prerogative to restrict or revoke the Diamond M grazing permits altogether."
https://yubanet.com/enviro/rogue-washington-rancher-wiped-out-15-of-states-wolves-in-violation-of-federal-rules/#comment-3395
The end goal= Revoke Grazing Permits
Post by: 2MANY on May 18, 2017, 01:26:59 PM
Remove the ranchers rights and you might as well have a sleep over at the Major of Seattle's place.
Post by: Henrydog on May 18, 2017, 01:31:30 PM
Post by: Gringo31 on May 18, 2017, 01:57:46 PM
Some of the sites you watch make me :yike:
I'd find a hobby that eats more time. :twocents: :tup:
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 18, 2017, 02:02:16 PM
Post by: jackelope on May 18, 2017, 02:07:36 PM
They are grazing RIGHTS.
Remove the ranchers rights and you might as well have a sleep over at the Major of Seattle's place.
Is grazing cattle on NF land actually a right? (That's a genuine question. No BS intended. I truly don't know)
Post by: JDHasty on May 18, 2017, 02:09:42 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 18, 2017, 02:13:36 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 18, 2017, 02:20:42 PM
I don't know why it is the business of anybody except the owner of livestock if a guy outfits his lambs and calves with LPCs. Seems to me a dead predator from an LPC is all the evidence anyone should need that the predator was bumped off while actively engaging in the act of depredation. That goes for domestic dogs that are allowed to run loose as well. Any dog, coyote, wolf or lion that is not actively involved in depredation doesn't have any risk either. But for some reason.... Washington does not allow LPCs.
LPCs aren't even part of the discussion. :dunno:
Post by: jackelope on May 18, 2017, 02:23:42 PM
Post by: JDHasty on May 18, 2017, 02:25:38 PM
What is an LPC?
It is a collar you fit to lambs & calves and fill with 1080. It has a couple of pouches you fill up. You still loose a lamb or a calf, but you take out the predator at the same time. Mexicans use them on their goats in a lot of areas too.
Post by: Gringo31 on May 18, 2017, 02:29:06 PM
I'd like to have a discussion with that author and/or roll his face in the gravel a bit.
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 18, 2017, 02:34:00 PM
Post by: bigtex on May 18, 2017, 03:12:28 PM
Ranchers are granted grazing rights by the Dept. of the Interior or BLM.Kind of.
They are granted grazing rights by the agency, not the department. BLM only gives grazing rights for BLM, Forest Service for Forest Service, etc. Fun fact, Lake Roosevelt National Recreation Area is just one of a handful of National Park Service sites in the US which has grazing leases, most NPS lands are off limits to grazing.
Post by: Stein on May 18, 2017, 03:21:00 PM
Post by: wolfbait on May 18, 2017, 04:47:07 PM
Wolfbait.....
Some of the sites you watch make me :yike:
I'd find a hobby that eats more time. :twocents: :tup:
:chuckle:
Saw this by accident, thought I would share some WAG :puke:
Post by: jackelope on May 18, 2017, 04:49:30 PM
It's not really a right, but more like a lease. They can graze cattle for a period of time in return for a payment. A right is something that is hard to take away, like the right to vote.
This is more along the lines of what I thought grazing rights were. It doesn't seem like a "right" when you have to pay for it.
Post by: Stein on May 18, 2017, 06:03:43 PM
It's not really a right, but more like a lease. They can graze cattle for a period of time in return for a payment. A right is something that is hard to take away, like the right to vote.
This is more along the lines of what I thought grazing rights were. It doesn't seem like a "right" when you have to pay for it.
Yeah, it isn't a right and when you decide to not pay, you can get booted off. Or, the landowner (US gov't) can decide to do something else with the land.
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 19, 2017, 06:22:27 AM
Ranchers are granted grazing rights by the Dept. of the Interior or BLM.Kind of.
They are granted grazing rights by the agency, not the department. BLM only gives grazing rights for BLM, Forest Service for Forest Service, etc. Fun fact, Lake Roosevelt National Recreation Area is just one of a handful of National Park Service sites in the US which has grazing leases, most NPS lands are off limits to grazing.
Thank you for the clarification, BT. My point was that not everyone automatically has "grazing rights". They enter into a contract and have specific rights (and responsibilities), under that contract.
Post by: 2MANY on May 19, 2017, 09:08:46 AM
They are often a long term agreement that is very hard to revoke.
Most of the time they are defined by how many cow calf pairs can be on a certain amount of acres.
Post by: HighlandLofts on May 23, 2017, 12:49:48 PM
Good for the rancher for defending his living.
Screw BLM and all of the other agencies.
Post by: JDHasty on May 23, 2017, 03:53:17 PM
So what is 1080? Some kind of poison I guess.
Good for the rancher for defending his living.
Screw BLM and all of the other agencies.
Post by: KFhunter on May 23, 2017, 04:04:34 PM
https://www.peer.org/assets/docs/wa/5_18_17_FS_Permit_Complaint_Final.pdf
Post by: KFhunter on May 23, 2017, 04:47:31 PM
If you haven't read this, you should do so.
https://news.wsu.edu/2016/08/31/wsu-issues-statement-clarifying-comments-profanity-peak-wolf-pack/