Post by: ian_padron on May 20, 2017, 11:04:26 PM
After the pup and I headed back towards the truck, we discovered a couple sets of wolf tracks right on top of the tracks we laid down just hours earlier.
Pretty freaky feeling, especially with a 4 month old puppy tagging along.
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Post by: greenhead_killer on May 21, 2017, 12:45:40 AM
Post by: Tbar on May 21, 2017, 08:36:42 AM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on May 21, 2017, 08:49:55 AM
How common are wolf attacks on humans?probably safe to say a little more than the quoted "confirmed wolf attack" stats tossed out by huggers.
Post by: bradslam on May 21, 2017, 09:14:04 AM
How common are wolf attacks on humans?
From Wikipedia, so take it for what it's worth:
North America[edit]
There were no written records of wolf attacks on humans prior to the European colonization of the Americas, though the oral history of some Indigenous American tribes confirms that wolves occasionally did kill humans. Tribes living in woodlands feared wolves more than their tundra-dwelling counterparts, as they could encounter wolves suddenly and at close quarters.[34] Skepticism among North American scientists over the alleged ferocity of wolves began when Canadian biologist Doug Clark investigated historical wolf attacks in Europe and, based on his own experiences with the relatively timid wolves of the Canadian wilderness, concluded that all historical attacks were perpetrated by rabid animals, and that healthy wolves posed no threat to humans.[35] Although his findings were later criticized for failing to distinguish between rabid and predatory attacks, and the fact that the historical literature contained instances of people surviving the attacks at a time when there was no rabies vaccine, his conclusions were nonetheless adopted by other North American biologists. This view subsequently gained popularity among laypeople with the publication of Farley Mowat's semi-fictional 1963 book Never Cry Wolf,[28] with the language barrier hindering the collection of further data on wolf attacks elsewhere.[36] Although some North American biologists were aware of wolf attacks in Eurasia, they dismissed them as irrelevant to North American wolves.[7]
By the 1970s, the fear of wolves was largely counteracted by the emergence of a pro-wolf lobby aiming to change public attitudes towards wolves, with the phrase “there has never been a documented case of a healthy wild wolf attacking a human in North America” (or variations thereof[a]) becoming a slogan for people seeking to create a more positive image for the wolf. Although several non-fatal attacks had been reported since 1985, it was not until April 26, 2000 when a 6-year-old boy survived an attack by a wolf in Icy Bay, Alaska that the assumption that healthy wild wolves were harmless became seriously challenged. The event was considered so unusual that it was reported in newspapers throughout the entire United States.[18][40] Following the Icy Bay incident, biologist Mark E. McNay compiled a record of wolf-human encounters in Canada and Alaska from 1915-2001. Of the 80 described encounters, 39 involved aggressive behavior from apparently healthy wolves and 12 from animals confirmed to be rabid.[41]
The first fatal attack in the 21st century occurred on November 8, 2005, when a young man was killed by wolves that had been habituated to people in Points North Landing, Saskatchewan, Canada[42] while on March 8, 2010, a young woman was killed while jogging near Chignik, Alaska.[43]
Obviously, wolf attacks are very rare in North America, but I still wouldn't want to be one of the outliers. Interestingly, wolf attacks in Europe were not so uncommon back in the day.
Post by: ian_padron on May 21, 2017, 10:29:59 AM
Almost all reports I've read say these specific wolves tend to just keep going about their business. They run all over the Teanaway River drainage and occasionally make their way up into the Alpine Lakes Wilderness to hunt. They'll stay up high way after the snow comes, which is pretty crazy.
Last November they were tearing up the Navaho Pass area (close to 7000 feet) just South of the Enchantments, and scared some hikers pretty good a couple days in a row with their howling haha.
Last year, a ranch hand from the Martinez sheep operation moved the flock over towards Iron Peak, only to have the wolves show up the next day, some 32 miles from where they had been hanging out previously!
The only trouble this pack has caused involves livestock in the area, plus an attack on one of a flock's collies around Red Top a few years ago.
Still, it's a weird feeling to know they are cruising the same trails we are! I don't care how many positive run-ins people have had, I'd still be nervous seeing one up close and personal with a pup in tow!
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Post by: Russ McDonald on May 21, 2017, 11:09:09 AM
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Post by: HighlandLofts on May 23, 2017, 12:44:42 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 23, 2017, 12:52:16 PM
Post by: timberfaller on May 23, 2017, 12:56:33 PM
Tons of Russian history of wolf eating Russians during "runs" to town to get away from the packs. FYI; guns had been confiscated by then.
My falling partner from years ago, great uncle was killed in Minnesota while tending his trap line. Didn't return home so search party went looking, followed dead wolves until they found big disturbed area covered in blood and shreds of clothing and his gun. Nothing else.
Post by: villageidiot on May 23, 2017, 09:52:55 PM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on May 24, 2017, 05:16:12 AM
Post by: nwwanderer on May 24, 2017, 06:54:11 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on May 24, 2017, 07:02:58 AM
It's safe to say that no human that shot and killed a wolf was killed by that wolf.Keep that kind of common sense up and your going to have to change your name!! :chuckle:
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 24, 2017, 07:21:42 AM
Post by: Timberstalker on May 24, 2017, 07:45:08 AM
One more note of caution to the OP: keep that pup away from their scat. Echinococcus granulosus is no joke; not for the dog or your family. According to one study done by IDFG, as much as 65% of these eaters are infected with the disease and it's a zoonosis - transferable to humans. Bad news, man.
Damn, that's spooky. :yike:
Post by: Skyvalhunter on May 24, 2017, 07:53:19 AM
Post by: constructeur on May 24, 2017, 08:43:20 AM
Still, it's a weird feeling to know they are cruising the same trails we are! I don't care how many positive run-ins people have had, I'd still be nervous seeing one up close and personal with a pup in tow!
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You obviously know a bit about the pack, their movements, and what they do. Why would you take a snack size critter out there , in their territory, then say you'd feel 'weird' running into one?
There's thousands of other trails to hike that are wolf free, your actions just seem to escape logic if you are that concerned.
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 24, 2017, 08:45:35 AM
One more note of caution to the OP: keep that pup away from their scat. Echinococcus granulosus is no joke; not for the dog or your family. According to one study done by IDFG, as much as 65% of these eaters are infected with the disease and it's a zoonosis - transferable to humans. Bad news, man.
Damn, that's spooky. :yike:
The USFWS knew about this when they proposed the plan and never divulged that they were going to transplant infected animals.
Post by: Okanagan on May 24, 2017, 09:17:53 AM
What do I recommend to do when you see a wolf/bear/cougar in the wild? Be grateful. And shoot it when appropriate!
Post by: KFhunter on May 24, 2017, 10:59:22 AM
The different reactions we all have are interesting. One time when driving a logging road in Canada I stopped and peed on a stump. When I came back by a few hours later I noticed a pair of wolf tracks in the snow. They had walked down the road and one had veered over to the stump and peed on it where I had.
What do I recommend to do when you see a wolf/bear/cougar in the wild? Be grateful. And shoot it when appropriate!
This is how I keep track of wolves if I'm being followed or not. I'll pee on a dirt patch, a gopher mound or scrape the dirt then pee in the middle of it. When I come back down I check out all my scrapes :chuckle:
Don't laugh, you gotta pee anyhow, might as well put it to use and see who's following you!
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on May 24, 2017, 02:21:37 PM
Ever come back and find a beautiful female in heat waiting by your scrape?The different reactions we all have are interesting. One time when driving a logging road in Canada I stopped and peed on a stump. When I came back by a few hours later I noticed a pair of wolf tracks in the snow. They had walked down the road and one had veered over to the stump and peed on it where I had.
What do I recommend to do when you see a wolf/bear/cougar in the wild? Be grateful. And shoot it when appropriate!
This is how I keep track of wolves if I'm being followed or not. I'll pee on a dirt patch, a gopher mound or scrape the dirt then pee in the middle of it. When I come back down I check out all my scrapes :chuckle:
Don't laugh, you gotta pee anyhow, might as well put it to use and see who's following you!
Post by: KFhunter on May 24, 2017, 04:20:23 PM
:chuckle: j/k I've done it quite a bit, found a lot of wolf tracks on my scrapes (they usually tear it up good then pee on top) but I haven't found a wolf actually standing on my scrape.
gave me an idea.... :o
Post by: Roundhead on June 13, 2017, 11:21:27 PM
How common are wolf attacks on humans?Nah, they never attack people.
See the wounded veterans being healed with wolves.
And don't nobody dare to open their fat rotten Neanderthal mouths against our veterans.
Post by: Russ McDonald on June 14, 2017, 04:16:00 AM
Wondering if you actually watched this video? Rescued wolf dogs. They were demesticated and raised to be sled dogs I bet. I grew up around this in nirthern Minnesota. They will raise wolves from pups because they have great stamina to pull sleds. Then they breed them huskies and malmutes.How common are wolf attacks on humans?Nah, they never attack people.
See the wounded veterans being healed with wolves.
And don't nobody dare to open their fat rotten Neanderthal mouths against our veterans.
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