Post by: Coasthunterjay on February 23, 2009, 06:26:24 PM
I am looking at getting a stainless browning A-bolt stalker in 300WSM with BOSS. But i have worry about the difference of the WSM versus the WM.
I also dont know anything about the BOSS system....any opinions....?
What do we think...good gun? can you guys help. i want to know more about the round, boss, and browning?
let me know guys....Thanks!
Post by: bucklucky on February 23, 2009, 06:40:53 PM
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Post by: 270Shooter on February 23, 2009, 06:44:11 PM
Post by: jdb on February 23, 2009, 06:48:55 PM
Post by: Coyote Control on February 23, 2009, 06:53:51 PM
300 WM:
Easy to find loaded ammo.
Very little difference in velocity compared to the WSM
If reloading, casings are cheaper to buy.
300 WSM:
Shorter action - hence a little less wt. to pack around.
If reloading this round, accuracy might be a little better than the WM, but it may not.
If you have not shot a rifle with Boss, then you might want to try it first before you buy it, some guys have reported to much "recoil" and have returned them. Oh, and don't forget the NOISE that it will make.
Opinion:
I like my Rem 700 in the 300 WM. Would I buy a 300 WSM? Only if I didn't have the WM, then I would get a WSM in a Rem 700. I have never been a fan of Brownings or Winchester's, but a Savage might work if I didn't go with a Rem.
There ya go, did it help any?
Post by: Coasthunterjay on February 23, 2009, 09:21:53 PM
But i need the reduced kick, i had shoulder surgery and will do whatever i can do to reduce the recoil....that and i have heard good things about the boss.....
i heard the boss is great for tuning rounds....that and if i go 300WSM i will probably buy some upper priced ammo and stick with it....so i kind of like the idea of tunable........
is the Boss that load?
Post by: huntnphool on February 23, 2009, 09:27:37 PM
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But i need the reduced kick, i had shoulder surgery and will do whatever i can do to reduce the recoil
Then why not go with a round that generally has less recoil? Do you really need a .300 caliber for hunting?
Post by: Coasthunterjay on February 23, 2009, 10:03:10 PM
that is the round i want so thats what im getting....
Post by: huntnphool on February 23, 2009, 10:07:14 PM
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that is the round i want so thats what im getting....
Down Cujo, you're the one that was concerned about the recoil, I was simply asking a question, relax ;)
Post by: bobcat on February 23, 2009, 10:25:28 PM
Now that I think about it, to me it really doesn't make sense to buy a 300 WSM in a rifle as light as the A-Bolt. Try to find it in a heavier rifle. That will do a lot to keep the felt recoil down, plus a good recoil pad. My main hunting rifle is an A-Bolt but in a 270 Winchester. Even with it being in 270 it was uncomfortable to shoot from the bench after 15 to 20 shots, until I added a limbsaver recoil pad.
You might also consider going with a 30-06. Compare the ballistics and you'll see the 300 WSM doesn't give you any real advantage.
Post by: cabin308 on February 23, 2009, 11:03:06 PM
Post by: GoldTip on February 24, 2009, 07:09:17 AM
Also stay away from a brake on your gun. If you need the brake to shoot the gun, then you are too recoil sensitive and will most likely begin flinching because your already scared of the recoil before you even shoot it. Stick with a lesser recoiling caliber or get a slightly heavier gun then the a-bolt and add a Sims pad for sure. :twocents:
Post by: Alan K on February 24, 2009, 09:25:07 AM
You don't feel the kick when you shoot at something, so unless you're planning on doing a ton of target shooting with it (expensive!), then I'd pass on the BOSS.
Post by: cascademountainhunter on February 24, 2009, 09:31:30 AM
Post by: Coasthunterjay on February 24, 2009, 11:18:15 AM
and thanks for telling me about the 30-06 simularity...i think that alone deteres me from getting the WSM. Ill stick to the WM or RUM.
Post by: HawkenBob on February 24, 2009, 11:39:38 AM
.30-06 Spfd. (180 Sp) 2700 2023 2913 E=1635
.300 WSM (180 Sp) 2970 2549 3526 E=2598
.300 Win. Mag. (180 Sp) 2960 2540 3501 E=2578
Post by: HawkenBob on February 24, 2009, 11:58:53 AM
Post by: Intruder on February 24, 2009, 12:08:18 PM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on February 26, 2009, 10:01:07 PM
A. 300 Win Mag (no problem dude... your the third guy this week)
B. 300 WSM (...huh...?)
Post by: Intruder on February 27, 2009, 07:48:22 AM
OK, so here's how I approach it... I am hunting in BFE Idaho and I realize I can't find the box of bullets I brought (or thought I brought). After frantically rooting through my truck/duffle/tent/foodbox etc.. I give up and drive to "town" (40 miles) to buy another box. I walk up to the counter of the only store and ask the 16 year old clerk if he can sell me a box of bullets for my:
A. 300 Win Mag (no problem dude... your the third guy this week)
B. 300 WSM (...huh...?)
That echos my favorite saying.... Can you buy a box of your ammo at the Gas Station in Hilger Mt?
Post by: Pathfinder101 on February 27, 2009, 09:27:55 AM
That echos my favorite saying.... Can you buy a box of your ammo at the Gas Station in Hilger Mt?
:yeah:
...happened to me once... (hence the theory)...
Post by: superdown on February 27, 2009, 09:50:49 AM
Post by: Bofire on March 06, 2009, 10:44:27 AM
The BOSS is by far the LOUDEST of all the guns with Brakes I have ever fired. The brake works no better either. that said you can buy a solid cover for the for the BOSS brake.
My custom 300WM, my brother had built for me, has a brake that works very well and it is not nearly as loud as a BOSS. The WM has about 10% more powder capacity then the WSM and budget factory ammo is available, Remington Corelokt and Federal powershock. The short action probably saves a solid ounce or two, some guy told me the short mags were faster to cycle cause they are shorter, LOL :chuckle:, Yarite about .0000000000000001 seconds.
Oh yeah last thing, my personal opinion, I hate the browning drop out magazines thing!!! buy a good gun, get a Tikka or Sako.
Carl
Post by: superdown on March 06, 2009, 03:35:03 PM
Post by: Bofire on March 07, 2009, 11:46:46 AM
:)
Post by: mossback91 on March 07, 2009, 11:48:54 AM
Tikka and Sako are both detachable mags. and you don't have to screw around with trying to hook it onto the drop plate.
:)
Yeah I have never liked that part of a browning.......it doesnt make sense really
Post by: 270Shooter on March 07, 2009, 11:53:24 AM
You kinda get used to it after a while ;)Tikka and Sako are both detachable mags. and you don't have to screw around with trying to hook it onto the drop plate.
:)
Yeah I have never liked that part of a browning.......it doesnt make sense really
Although it is not as fast as a regular detachable box mag.
Post by: big iron on March 08, 2009, 11:28:57 PM
Post by: superdown on March 09, 2009, 10:27:00 AM
Post by: JoshT on March 09, 2009, 10:36:50 AM
Post by: superdown on March 09, 2009, 12:12:27 PM
Post by: Intruder on March 09, 2009, 01:37:04 PM
The Browning design doesn't allow you to seat bullets anywhere near the lands with most cartridges though, because you loose a lot of magazine space. I can think of two guys who lost pretty large blacktail bucks because they were fooling around with that stupid magazine... or forgot it in the truck all together.
The magizine length thing is a major pisser. Bugs the crap out of me. Other than that, I really luv the action and features of the the Browning. Never had any other problems with the box interfering with anything. I've been tempted to buy other calibers to see if they'd work better in respect to longer COLs. I'm afraid it would effect how it feeds though. If you compare the boxes from different cals the only difference seems to be the plastic inserts that makes them a certain fit for certain cals. I'll have to give it a try sometime.
Post by: JoshT on March 09, 2009, 01:50:07 PM
You make some valid points about handloading but were your buddies road hunting? I cant think of single time when actually hunting were loading speed was an issue. also forgeting a mag in the truck doesn't seem likely for a person who checks their weapon over before heading into the bush. superdown
No... but neither of them are the sharpest tools in the shed, and one of them now works for the WDFW (that should clue you in right there!). I know one of the times the guy grabbed the wrong mag on the way out the door... took the .338 mag when he was shooting an '06 (both mags had rounds in them sitting in the safe... simple mistake)... didn't know it till we got to the top of the mountain. On the way down a nice 3x4 walked right out in front of us... and then stopped in a clear-cut at about 60 yards... he did get out and throw a rock at it... I don't think it made him feel better.
I've just never found a situation that I felt a detatchable magazine was a good thing on a hunting rifle. I like having a floorplate so I can just drop the rounds without having to cycle them... but a magazine... naw. Never seen anyone dump the rounds from a rifle on accident... but dumber stuff has happened... hell, Obama got elected.
Post by: superdown on March 09, 2009, 03:13:11 PM
Post by: ihunt on March 14, 2009, 10:14:50 PM
The Browning design doesn't allow you to seat bullets anywhere near the lands with most cartridges though, because you loose a lot of magazine space. I can think of two guys who lost pretty large blacktail bucks because they were fooling around with that stupid magazine... or forgot it in the truck all together.I have a 7mm abolt i shoot 168 bergers o.a.l 3.350 on the lands and can put 3 rounds in the clip.just file the clip.