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Title: Lost points?
Post by: Nv02cummins on May 24, 2017, 08:28:20 PM: Since the switch to the new system I have been in contact with WDFW about points being lost for myself and daughter. I have been putting in for bull elk since I got my license (9 years old) and now 29 and my points show I have 1 point... same with sheep, goat and moose. They keep telling me they have no way to look up my points totals from last year and they cant do anything about it unless I provide proof that was from WDFW that states how many points I had before the system switch. My daughter has not drawn a tag at all and I have put her in for every available tag and this year she has 0 points and should have 5..... Has anyone run into this problem? have they been able to resolve it? I can deal with losing my points but I'm not happy about my daughter losing her points.

Any help is appreciated.
Title: Re: Lost points?
Post by: Bearhunter on May 24, 2017, 09:16:13 PM: I would not deal with losing your points either..... Thats 20years of the state taking your money and basically stealing it from you by taking your points.... I would think about talking to a lawyer if there is no resolution from the wdfw....
Title: Re: Lost points?
Post by: Bob33 on May 24, 2017, 09:25:26 PM: It seems to me they had a responsibility to dump data from the old system before conversion, to avoid situations as this. It's actually hard for me to believe they didn't. I would work up the chain before concluding the data is lost for good. If it is, then do you have any credit card statements or checks indicating that you made any payments for applications? If you can find any documentation of payments then I would hire a lawyer and go after them. I believe that a judge or jury would believe it was their obligation to keep track of points, not you.
Title: Re: Lost points?
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on May 29, 2017, 06:53:13 AM: So it's looking as if I should not trash any of those submission confirmation statements or any printed pages of my points totals from the old system eh? (since they show points totals at the time)
Title: Re: Lost points?
Post by: Birdguy on May 29, 2017, 01:48:51 PM: I am pretty sure that my son had some of his points lost as well. We have been putting in for years and yet some how he has a different number of buck, quality buck, and sheep but not moose?? I assumed there would be no way to dispute it as I have dealt with the game department for years and I have never come out on the winning end :dunno:. This is his last year as a youth so by the time it was fixed it would be for not anyway, just disappointing. He also had two accounts for some reason and the WILD ID was not the same on them. Not a great deal by any means but it is what it is. Just hope he draws one or two this year.
Title: Re: Lost points?
Post by: TriggerMike on May 30, 2017, 10:21:33 PM: Quote from: Birdguy on May 29, 2017, 01:48:51 PM
I am pretty sure that my son had some of his points lost as well. We have been putting in for years and yet some how he has a different number of buck, quality buck, and sheep but not moose?? I assumed there would be no way to dispute it as I have dealt with the game department for years and I have never come out on the winning end :dunno:. This is his last year as a youth so by the time it was fixed it would be for not anyway, just disappointing. He also had two accounts for some reason and the WILD ID was not the same on them. Not a great deal by any means but it is what it is. Just hope he draws one or two this year.

If you login to your WDFW WILD account and click on the Order History tab you can see everything you've purchased, both online and in stores, all the way back to 2011. You can click "Select" on the far right of each purchase and it breaks it down for what was specifically purchased. Licenses, special permit apps, etc. I thought I lost a Quality Deer point but it turns out I didn't apply in 2013. I called WDFW 5 separate times before someone had the knowledge to show me this trick for checking purchases.
Title: Re: Lost points?
Post by: Skyvalhunter on May 31, 2017, 05:23:15 AM: Sorry for you point loss
Title: Re: Lost points?
Post by: SkookumHntr on May 31, 2017, 02:51:39 PM: when I look up points, mine shows how many I have but it didn't add the point for this year!? Before after you applied your point was added! Is it doing that to anybody else??
Title: Re: Lost points?
Post by: Bob33 on May 31, 2017, 02:54:16 PM: Quote from: SkookumHntr on May 31, 2017, 02:51:39 PM
when I look up points, mine shows how many I have but it didn't add the point for this year!? Before after you applied your point was added! Is it doing that to anybody else??
Mine shows the same way. I expect this year's points will be added when (before) the draw is run.
Title: Re: Lost points?
Post by: SkookumHntr on May 31, 2017, 03:04:57 PM: Might be worth a phone call to make sure, The way its looking to me is they didn't add are point for 2017 >:(
Title: Re: Lost points?
Post by: Bob33 on May 31, 2017, 03:05:27 PM: Quote from: SkookumHntr on May 31, 2017, 03:04:57 PM
Might be worth a phone call to make sure, The way its looking to me is they didn't add are point for 2017 >:(
They didn't. They will.
Title: Re: Lost points?
Post by: bobcat on May 31, 2017, 03:27:04 PM: Mine says "last updated 12/18/2016" for all my points.

So just because it's not showing your added point doesn't mean you're not going to get it.
Title: Re: Lost points?
Post by: Bob33 on May 31, 2017, 03:30:32 PM: Quote from: bobcat on May 31, 2017, 03:27:04 PM
Mine says "last updated 12/18/2016" for all my points.

So just because it's not showing your added point doesn't mean you're not going to get it.
I have multiple dates.
Title: Re: Lost points?
Post by: SkookumHntr on May 31, 2017, 03:38:33 PM: Well every year besides this year you got your point soon as you hit submit! Im just sayin.. Its not doing it this year,, I like to see it added when I submit like it has always done before!
Title: Re: Lost points?
Post by: bobcat on May 31, 2017, 03:38:58 PM: The only place I see the 5/31/2017 date is where I have zero points.
Title: Re: Lost points?
Post by: jackelope on May 31, 2017, 03:58:09 PM: Quote from: SkookumHntr on May 31, 2017, 03:38:33 PM
Well every year besides this year you got your point soon as you hit submit! Im just sayin.. Its not doing it this year,, I like to see it added when I submit like it has always done before!

It's a new system.
Title: Re: Lost points?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on May 31, 2017, 04:05:47 PM: My wife lost a few as well.
Title: Re: Lost points?
Post by: jagermiester on May 31, 2017, 04:57:05 PM: My brother and I were talking about the same thing. We both lost points in a couple of areas and my brother got points for the bull elk even though he has never put in for a bull elk tag. I only have 11 Sheep points even though I was sure I had 13. We both only have 6 quality deer points which is what we put in with last year. I also have 5 youth sheep points and 5 ewe sheep points???? I don't remember ever putting in for either one of those.
Title: Re: Lost points?
Post by: Bob33 on May 31, 2017, 05:33:13 PM: Quote from: jagermiester on May 31, 2017, 04:57:05 PM
My brother and I were talking about the same thing. We both lost points in a couple of areas and my brother got points for the bull elk even though he has never put in for a bull elk tag. I only have 11 Sheep points even though I was sure I had 13. We both only have 6 quality deer points which is what we put in with last year. I also have 5 youth sheep points and 5 ewe sheep points???? I don't remember ever putting in for either one of those.
Points were replicated to the other specie categories in 2010 when the multiple categories were created. If you had five sheep points going into the 2010 season you were given five points in all the sheep categories even if you weren't eligible for them.
Title: Re: Lost points?
Post by: jagermiester on May 31, 2017, 10:03:50 PM: That makes sense and it also explains my brothers bull elk points. If I had 5 Sheep points in 2010 I haven't missed a year why do I only have 9 sheep points? I think I am missing sheep points. This is not cool.
Title: Re: Lost points?
Post by: argali on July 14, 2017, 02:53:29 PM: The same here I've lost some points and gained some the are meaningless to me ! I'm way past youth ewe sheep. So why give me points for that , makes no sense, but than we are dealing with the govt. !