Post by: Special T on June 01, 2017, 02:51:45 PM
I got to test out a non powered version in Pemberton BC that had no suspension. The store owner said he had ridden his bike in a foot of snow at 3psi.
Price tag is $3050!(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170601/c32c613f2c82d477c67a4c95d7e27dcb.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170601/30a20efa73d2114633ffbb5935e70460.jpg)
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Post by: X-Force on June 01, 2017, 02:53:25 PM
Post by: h20hunter on June 01, 2017, 02:54:35 PM
Post by: sagerat on June 01, 2017, 03:19:05 PM
Post by: gaddy on June 01, 2017, 03:22:36 PM
Post by: Special T on June 01, 2017, 03:24:56 PM
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Post by: Mfowl on June 01, 2017, 03:28:30 PM
Post by: Special T on June 01, 2017, 03:29:13 PM
$ 3000 for a bicycle ?For a high end disk brake electric assist front suspension bike that can crude in a foot of snow? I have buddies with mountain bikes that cost that much that arnt super float electric assist capable. Not saying it isn't a lot of $ but since you can't take a motor bike lots of places it's an option... and it's damned quiet.
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Post by: Southpole on June 01, 2017, 03:51:32 PM
Post by: highside74 on June 01, 2017, 03:52:28 PM
Post by: highside74 on June 01, 2017, 03:55:10 PM
Post by: kentrek on June 01, 2017, 03:56:28 PM
Post by: highside74 on June 01, 2017, 03:58:28 PM
Post by: Bofire on June 01, 2017, 04:22:48 PM
:dunno:
Carl
Post by: highside74 on June 01, 2017, 04:26:05 PM
Post by: X-Force on June 01, 2017, 04:46:57 PM
Order from cabelas for $2700
The $2700 version doesn't have suspension and has an external motor both at riverside have suspension and an internal motor.
Post by: highside74 on June 01, 2017, 04:54:35 PM
Order from cabelas for $2700
The $2700 version doesn't have suspension both at riverside do.
Good call I never noticed that and I've been lookin lately.
Post by: kentrek on June 01, 2017, 05:07:48 PM
Non combustion have never been illegal.
I believe the definition of motorized is if it has a motor.....not what type of motor it has
Just food for thought
Post by: autopilot70 on June 01, 2017, 05:11:30 PM
Non combustion have never been illegal.
So, is a tesla or chevy volt ok?
Post by: Special T on June 01, 2017, 05:20:41 PM
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Post by: kentrek on June 01, 2017, 05:50:15 PM
I look forward to more details but I was pretty certain that the main concern was fire and off roading. If you look at the bike it doesn't scream motorized so I kinda doubt you would have any trouble.
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So it's okay if you can get away with it ?
Post by: Stickerbush on June 01, 2017, 05:54:33 PM
Post by: gee_unit360 on June 01, 2017, 06:31:00 PM
Post by: highside74 on June 01, 2017, 06:56:43 PM
I look forward to more details but I was pretty certain that the main concern was fire and off roading. If you look at the bike it doesn't scream motorized so I kinda doubt you would have any trouble.
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So it's okay if you can get away with it ?
Yes but they could pull your permit if they want.
Post by: Alan K on June 01, 2017, 07:09:37 PM
I don't see how it would be any different than someone getting pinched on a quad in a non-motorized area.
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Post by: Bullkllr on June 01, 2017, 07:10:42 PM
Post by: gee_unit360 on June 01, 2017, 07:17:06 PM
Post by: Bullkllr on June 01, 2017, 07:22:46 PM
These bikes are legal.
Where? On the street?
Not in NON MOTORIZED road closures. And isn't that the only place this discussion is applicable?
Post by: highside74 on June 01, 2017, 07:27:33 PM
Radbike is a much better price. Take a look online I think they're $1500
Great price but a hub style motor is no comparison to a crank mounted motor. Less efficient and not as strong in the long run. If I'm tackling back roads and single track roads pulling a trailer a crank motor is they way to go.
Post by: highside74 on June 01, 2017, 07:54:27 PM
These bikes are legal.
Where? On the street?
Not in NON MOTORIZED road closures. And isn't that the only place this discussion is applicable?
Well, you know how to ruin a good time. :o
Post by: Special T on June 01, 2017, 07:59:59 PM
We have had this kind of discussion before so I'll summarize it.I look forward to more details but I was pretty certain that the main concern was fire and off roading. If you look at the bike it doesn't scream motorized so I kinda doubt you would have any trouble.
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So it's okay if you can get away with it ?
In the desire to be legal we have often searched for written or 100%proof what we are doing is legal, ok or whatever. When we push for this we get a strict definition and told yes or no, most likely no if we assume it's a grey area.
What is the goal/desire by the DNT or private timber holders on this issue? You may know better than I do but I will make an educated guess. Fires are a huge concern. Anything with a gas powered motor is a potential issue. The second issue I would guess is the tearing up of meadows, landscape and wet areas. If we have a pretty good idea that is why the no motorized rule is in place we understand the intent.
I'm guessing you haven't been on this bike, so if your peddling a mountain bike is it really that different?
Surely they don't want those new eletric dirtbikes out tearing things up so how do you think they will draw the line?
I've found that discretion and politeness covers most grey areas, you mileage may vary.
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Post by: highside74 on June 01, 2017, 08:06:05 PM
We have had this kind of discussion before so I'll summarize it.I look forward to more details but I was pretty certain that the main concern was fire and off roading. If you look at the bike it doesn't scream motorized so I kinda doubt you would have any trouble.
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So it's okay if you can get away with it ?
In the desire to be legal we have often searched for written or 100%proof what we are doing is legal, ok or whatever. When we push for this we get a strict definition and told yes or no, most likely no if we assume it's a grey area.
What is the goal/desire by the DNT or private timber holders on this issue? You may know better than I do but I will make an educated guess. Fires are a huge concern. Anything with a gas powered motor is a potential issue. The second issue I would guess is the tearing up of meadows, landscape and wet areas. If we have a pretty good idea that is why the no motorized rule is in place we understand the intent.
I'm guessing you haven't been on this bike, so if your peddling a mountain bike is it really that different?
Surely they don't want those new eletric dirtbikes out tearing things up so how do you think they will draw the line?
I've found that discretion and politeness covers most grey areas, you mileage may vary.
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Actually there is a lawsuit filed by a disabled women from Klickitat County because the US Forest Service considered her ebike a motorized vehicle and limited it to only road systems and trails allowed by jeeps and dirtbikes. It's spelled out in the Seattle times article plain as day. They consider an electric motor a motor at this time. We will see where it ends up.
Post by: mikeybuck on June 01, 2017, 08:36:36 PM
Post by: highside74 on June 01, 2017, 08:41:18 PM
I guess if I'm gonna get a ticket, I might as well use my dirt bike. Same ticket and it took me less energy to make it to the top of the hill. ^-^
And you don't have to go buy an electric bike. I like it.
Post by: Southpole on June 01, 2017, 08:54:25 PM
Post by: Special T on June 01, 2017, 09:22:21 PM
Interesting haven't heard of that.We have had this kind of discussion before so I'll summarize it.I look forward to more details but I was pretty certain that the main concern was fire and off roading. If you look at the bike it doesn't scream motorized so I kinda doubt you would have any trouble.
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So it's okay if you can get away with it ?
In the desire to be legal we have often searched for written or 100%proof what we are doing is legal, ok or whatever. When we push for this we get a strict definition and told yes or no, most likely no if we assume it's a grey area.
What is the goal/desire by the DNT or private timber holders on this issue? You may know better than I do but I will make an educated guess. Fires are a huge concern. Anything with a gas powered motor is a potential issue. The second issue I would guess is the tearing up of meadows, landscape and wet areas. If we have a pretty good idea that is why the no motorized rule is in place we understand the intent.
I'm guessing you haven't been on this bike, so if your peddling a mountain bike is it really that different?
Surely they don't want those new eletric dirtbikes out tearing things up so how do you think they will draw the line?
I've found that discretion and politeness covers most grey areas, you mileage may vary.
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Actually there is a lawsuit filed by a disabled women from Klickitat County because the US Forest Service considered her ebike a motorized vehicle and limited it to only road systems and trails allowed by jeeps and dirtbikes. It's spelled out in the Seattle times article plain as day. They consider an electric motor a motor at this time. We will see where it ends up.
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Post by: highside74 on June 01, 2017, 09:44:40 PM
Post by: kentrek on June 01, 2017, 09:50:04 PM
Post by: Bullkllr on June 01, 2017, 10:24:02 PM
"17. No off-road vehicles,
electric bicycles, ATVs, motorcycles or snowmobiles are allowed, not even in the back of the pick-up."
Weyerhaeuser Rules state:
"• No ATV, ORVs, motorcycles or motor-assisted bicycles"
DNR:
"Motor vehicle or motorized vehicle" means any device that is moved or propelled by an internal combustion engine or electrically powered motor. It shall include, but not be limited to automobiles, trucks, motorcycles, all-terrain vehicles, motor bikes, motor-scooters and off-road vehicles, whether or not they can be licensed to operate on public roads. The term does not include vessels or personal mobility assistive devices, such as wheelchairs.
"Nonmotorized vehicles" means any device that is moved or propelled by means other than an internal combustion engine or electrically powered motor, including but not limited to bicycles, roller blades, mountain boards, animal drawn carriages or conveyances, excluding vessels and personal mobility assistive devices, such as wheelchairs.
As stated above, USFS rules seem pretty clear.
That does not leave a lot of options where these motor vehicles would be permitted. Pretty sure the cat's already out of the bag on the motor-bike deal.
IMO, these rules are in place in gated areas for more reasons than fire prevention; quality of the experience and leaving some areas for those who are willing to work under their own power to get there come to mind.
Post by: highside74 on June 01, 2017, 10:32:50 PM
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