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Equipment & Gear => Guns and Ammo => Topic started by: Biggerhammer on June 09, 2017, 06:27:27 AM
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I have a 6mm/.22 Nosler barrel in the works(Being chambered). 9 twist Bartlien blank. I was getting everything parts wise together when I found a smoking deal on a new Odin Works stainless 18" DMR barrel 1-8 twist) chambered in .22 Nosler so I figured instead of just buying new brass for the 6mm/.22 Nosler. I could assemble a AR with this barrel and shoot it until my 6/.22 Nosler barrel arrives. Swap the barrels and have plenty of once fired brass to work with.
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Waiting on a couple more parts to be delivered next week. Need to decide on optics and pick up my upper, lower and handguard from my Cerakote guy. Should have it ready to go by next weekend.
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Nice pile of parts so far. Is swapping from 5.56 to Nosler 22 as easy as a new barrel , bcg and magazine ?
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Barrel and Mag only!
The 22-6.8 SPC has been out for awhile. Pushed hard by defuncto Black Hole. With Black Holes version you had to use a 6.8 bolt. Nosler took the 6.8 capacity case, rebated the rim so a standard 5.56 bolt face/ bolt carrier group would run it. The case for the .22 Nosler is a case of its own. Nosler tested it and dropped the coin to SAAMI spec it, which I respect. It shows a serious commitment they have "Skin in the game". If you don't have "Skin in the game" the rest is all a dog and pony show. In most cases guys will run their mouths way past their wallets capabilities.
A standard 5.56 bolt carrier group runs with the .22 Nosler. All you need is a barrel and a 6.8 SPC Mag.
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I'll post more pics as I assemble it. I get a kick out of the "AR build" term. Because nothing is being built. A guy is just assembling already "Built" parts. A AR is a very simple platform once you have a little hands on working knowledge of it.
I'm thinking about ordering a Leupold 4.5-14x50 LRP with the "Impact 32" MOA reticle. Never spent anytime with the "LRP" optics. I would rather shoot the optics before purchasing them.
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I'll post more pics as I assemble it. I get a kick out of the "AR build" term. Because nothing is being built. A guy is just assembling already "Built" parts. A AR is a very simple platform once you have a little hands on working knowledge of it.
As Dirk McFiddlesticks always says, "if it doesn't require a dial indicator, you're just assembling parts". It reminds me of a decal I made for someone a while back.
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Barrel and Mag only!
The 22-6.8 SPC has been out for awhile. Pushed hard by defuncto Black Hole. With Black Holes version you had to use a 6.8 bolt. Nosler took the 6.8 capacity case, rebated the rim so a standard 5.56 bolt face/ bolt carrier group would run it. The case for the .22 Nosler is a case of its own. Nosler tested it and dropped the coin to SAAMI spec it, which I respect. It shows a serious commitment they have "Skin in the game". If you don't have "Skin in the game" the rest is all a dog and pony show. In most cases guys will run their mouths way past their wallets capabilities.
A standard 5.56 bolt carrier group runs with the .22 Nosler. All you need is a barrel and a 6.8 SPC Mag.
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I agree with ya all the way ,that's what turned me off , on the 25/45 sharps cause they don't have the goods to make it SAAMI round and to greedy.That's gonna be a great rifle.
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Optics should be here this coming week. Then it's time to assemble "Crimson" the obscenely bright AR.
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Looks like a fun project to me.
One of these in a 20 Nosler could be a fun project too. You better go ahead and just order up a 20 Nosler barrel as well, then do a comparison review so we all know which one to go with. :tup:
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I sure hope it shoots those 77gr bullets well! :chuckle:
I'm really intrigued by this chambering so it should be interesting to see how it does for you.
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I picked up a variety of bullets to try.
Nosler 70gr RDF
Nosler 77gr CC
Nosler 69gr CC
Hornady 75gr ELD-M
Hornady 75gr A-Max
Hornady 52gr ELD-M
I really like CFE223, BLC2 and H4895 in my other 6.8 SPC based wildcats. So I'll give the same powders a try in the .22 Nosler. After I shoot up some of the 400 rounds of factory Nosler 77gr CC's for the brass.👍
This will be a dedicated varmint SPR for Coyotes and Rockchucks. I'm still tossing around which scope to put on it. I have a Leupold 4.5-14x50 LRP (Impact 32 reticle) and a 8.5-25x50 Long Range(Fine duplex).
I like the higher power scopes for varmints but the size of the LRP fits the AR better. This isn't a calling rifle, most shots on coyotes where I'm at start at about 300 yards on the average. I may start with the 8.5-25 for the bench/load development and accuracy. Then switch to the 4.5-14 for the field???
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Over at PM the guys are having trouble with the 22 nosler tearing up rims.
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Over at PM the guys are having trouble with the 22 nosler tearing up rims.
I'll find out soon enough. If I have issues with the .22 Nosler. I have several barrels I can put on this AR. 6.5 Grendel, .223 Wylde, 6.5 BRX or .243 LBC/Grendel
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Over at PM the guys are having trouble with the 22 nosler tearing up rims.
Are they using adjustable gas blocks? Or tuning the port size?
I would think if they used a 556 port size and no adjustable block it would be pretty hard on the brass.
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Over at PM the guys are having trouble with the 22 nosler tearing up rims.
Are they using adjustable gas blocks? Or tuning the port size?
I would think if they used a 556 port size and no adjustable block it would be pretty hard on the brass.
Mil spec spring and buffer, light weight carrier group, .110 gas port, adjustable gas block, Precision Armarment M472 brake. Should tune right in and shoot smooth.😊👍
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I'm curious to see how the Leupold LRP works for you. I saw one at Sportsmen's Warehouse and almost bought it to try out.
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I'm curious to see how the Leupold LRP works for you. I saw one at Sportsmen's Warehouse and almost bought it to try out.
It looks to me like the LRP was Leupolds match up to the SHV marketing wise. I like how light it is compared to the SHV. I like the turret and the covered windage and of course at a glance it is clearer than the Vortex Viper HS-T's and LR's I've shot. My concern is how accurate the turrets are and repeatability. I'm trying to get away from turning knobs if possible. That's why I got it with the Impact 32 reticle.
GUNSMITH-X keeps whispering temptations of Mil's or Mil/Mil, something along those lines. :o
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Mils today, M-lok tomorrow all this new wave stuff tough to keep up with. heh
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Mils today, M-lok tomorrow all this new wave stuff tough to keep up with. heh
That's half the fun. When you have built, tinkered, shot and fondled pretty much all there is Firearms wise. The new stuff is just as much fun to shoot as what's been working forever.
Hits are hits, no matter if it's Mil's or MOA.😊😊 I guess it's why I have never hit a golf ball in my life. I have better things to do.👍
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Got to love the "Caution Heavy" on the Nosler box, I doubt you have enough for the kind of evaluation we are use to seeing from you!
LOL
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Some hi tech tuning of the adjustable gas block :o
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That InForce 800 Lumen flat rocks! :rockin:
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Biggerhammer, is there any chance you could measure the case capacity of one of those 22 Nosler cases in water? Nosler lists it at 34.7gr water but they sometimes stretch the truth on things a little.
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Some hi tech tuning of the adjustable gas block :o
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Didn't clear the HG?
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I have to post , that looks sweet,you've got me drooling all over myself.I think I'm in love with that gun. :drool:
Anyway keep posting I have to see it when it's done. :tup:
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My bet is bright as heck and a tack driver. Fairly informative write up in this months american rifleman.
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Yea this thread has me thinking maybe an AR "build" is in the future....
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Some hi tech tuning of the adjustable gas block :o
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Didn't clear the HG?
I am curious as well?
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I'm going to start assembling the rifle this evening. The big brown truck just dropped off one of the scopes I ordered for it.
Leupold Long Range Precision (LRP) 4.5-14x50 with the Impact 32 reticle (MOA). I was going to use my 8.5-25 LR but I decided to send it off to Leupold and have M1 MOA turrets installed along with a TMOA reticle. Should have it back in a couple weeks or so.
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Some hi tech tuning of the adjustable gas block :o
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Didn't clear the HG?
No!! I'm too impatient to wait on another adjustable gas block to be delivered. I'm going to try/order in a Vella adjustable when Rainier Arms gets them back in stock and swap it out!
👍👍👍👍
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Biggerhammer, is there any chance you could measure the case capacity of one of those 22 Nosler cases in water? Nosler lists it at 34.7gr water but they sometimes stretch the truth on things a little.
As soon as I fire one, I'll do that. I just have loaded factory ammo right now😊😊
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You sticking with the fortis brake?
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You sticking with the fortis brake?
I have some Fortis Reds on hand but I'm going to try a brake I have never used before on the .22 Nosler. It's a Precision Armarment M4-72. A couple guys I know swear by them 75% recoil reduction with the 5.56. I figure the M4-72 along with the adjustable gas block should make it shoot light and smooth. I'll have to see how it recoils with the brake. I prefer straight back recoil, some brakes don't give you that.
Unless Gunsmith-X or McFiddle something or one of his buddies coughs up a new cool 😎 guy brake!?
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Just finished tossing the upper together.
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Sweet!
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Gotta learn more about these..... nice
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Lowers assembled but I'm haveing issues with the rear of the handguard touching the front take down pin lug . Not allowing the upper to line up with the take down holes on the lower. Need to do a little file work.
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Well here's "Crimson" in its entirety.
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Dang, that looks almost too pretty to shoot.....
almost, LOL
Pretty cool, do they come in other schemes besides crimson?
The more I read about the .22 Nosler, the better it sounds. Can't wait to hear how she shoots.
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Very nice. Makes me want one. And I like the 22 Nosler spec. Would love an AR in that.
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Truth be told! Shooting new rifles is a love/hate thing with me. No matter if it's a factory chambering or a wildcat. I'm a complete accuracy freak!!! If it can't swing 1/2 MOA or better I want to throw it half way down the range then the run over it several times with my truck, throw what's left in the back of my truck. Go to the nearest watering hole. Knock back about a dozen cold ones and take my frustrations out on the first cute thing that says. " Is that you F'T Up rifle in the back of that truck" ..
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You sticking with the fortis brake?
I have some Fortis Reds on hand but I'm going to try a brake I have never used before on the .22 Nosler. It's a Precision Armarment M4-72. A couple guys I know swear by them 75% recoil reduction with the 5.56. I figure the M4-72 along with the adjustable gas block should make it shoot light and smooth. I'll have to see how it recoils with the brake. I prefer straight back recoil, some brakes don't give you that.
Unless Gunsmith-X or McFiddle something or one of his buddies coughs up a new cool 😎 guy brake!?
I may have a Killer Innovations brake sitting around that I'd give you until something better turns up. Maybe that would motivate somebody to get a better design out there. :chuckle:
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I agree those killed Innovations brakes needed a little more freedom for the thought process. Maybe something a little more advanced will show up. 😏
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Truth be told! Shooting new rifles is a love/hate thing with me. No matter if it's a factory chambering or a wildcat. I'm a complete accuracy freak!!! If it can't swing 1/2 MOA or better I want to throw it half way down the range then the run over it several times with my truck, throw what's left in the back of my truck. Go to the nearest watering hole. Knock back about a dozen cold ones and take my frustrations out on the first cute thing that says. " Is that you F'T Up rifle in the back of that truck" ..
The funny thing about this comment is it sounds just like me,My wife could tell ya how pissed off I can get,send that barrel back it's piece of junk ,and cussing up a storm starts. :chuckle:
That rifle looks pretty slick. :drool:
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Wow! Awesome color combo..I hope it shoots just like it looks for you!
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Since you're tagging it "crimson" is it not quite so bright in person as the pics make it show?
Soooo, are you going to be a little pizzed when Nosler comes out with their "20 Nosler" and the case capacity is a few grains larger than the 22 Nosler?? :yike:
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.20's are worthless for the long stuff.😯
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.20's are worthless for the long stuff.😯
But, but, the .20 cal 55gr Berger, even at a conservative 3200fps, walks all over the .22cal 77 grainers at 2900. :dunno:
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.20's are worthless for the long stuff.😯
But, but, the .20 cal 55gr Berger, even at a conservative 3200fps, walks all over the .22cal 77 grainers at 2900. :dunno:
Ha! To what distance? 😜Then the wind.
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.20's are worthless for the long stuff.😯
But, but, the .20 cal 55gr Berger, even at a conservative 3200fps, walks all over the .22cal 77 grainers at 2900. :dunno:
Ha! To what distance? 😜Then the wind.
I only ran the numbers out to 1000 yards and the .20 w/55's smoked the .22 w/77's in both drop and wind.
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Showing some promise.👍
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Nice shooting.
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Showing some promise.👍
Looks to be a keeper to me. :tup:
Curious, did you by chance run any of that factory Nosler ammo across a chronograph?? Nosler, like most others, is notorious for advertising velocities on the box that is no where near actual real world. I had some Nosler 338-378 that was 200 fps slower than they advertised and both were shot from a 26in. barrel. When I called and talked to one of their so called "techs" he tried to give me the ole well barrels vary in velocity speech, yeah they do but not 200 fps variance. lol
Now that you have a empty case, could you measure the case capacity in water please. Thanks.
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Showing some promise.👍
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Geez, it took all that brass to make 3 holes in the target? :tung:
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That would be five flyers, LOL
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I fired 140 rounds yesterday, so I had 137 flyers. Tough day for wind calls.😊
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I fired 140 rounds yesterday, so I had 137 flyers. Tough day for wind calls.😊
LOL
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Hit the range on the fly today, messed around with my holdovers at 300 yards. Using the MOA reticle and not dialing. Didn't have a spotting scope with me and the mirage wasn't letting me see my hits at 300 on 14x. The orange dot was dancing like something you would see on a pole at Stateline.😊 I got tired of having to drive down to the 300 yard line. I'll just try it again one of these cool mornings when I have time.
300 yards factory Nosler 77gr CC ammo.
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Yup in summer I do all my load development on State land at 6:00 am. No wind, no heat, no mirage.