Post by: gls on June 15, 2017, 07:07:08 PM
Post by: borntoslay on June 15, 2017, 08:27:41 PM
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Post by: bobcat on June 15, 2017, 08:50:12 PM
gls, I don't know a ton about the unit but I've hunted it a couple times. Send me a PM and I'll tell you what I know.
Post by: Jimmer on June 15, 2017, 09:17:36 PM
Seriously? You guys are all wrong. Maybe he wanted to draw and learn a new unit. He has 4 full months to scout and a 3 week season to hunt. That's more than enough time to learn a new unit and have a successful hunt.youre right, roll out a map and you have 4 months to scout. My property boarders timber property in 117 that holds 3 bull moose that I've studied for 4 years that I guarantee are top 5 or better in the state. Why would I give out tips for something that I put in for and have done the time year after year to someone who just randomly puts in, not knowing the unit and wants tips/info?
gls, I don't know a ton about the unit but I've hunted it a couple times. Send me a PM and I'll tell you what I know.
Not greedy, but I'm not a hand out guy either.
Post by: benhuntin on June 15, 2017, 09:18:33 PM
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Post by: benhuntin on June 15, 2017, 09:20:42 PM
3 Bulls top 5 or better. That's impressive.Seriously? You guys are all wrong. Maybe he wanted to draw and learn a new unit. He has 4 full months to scout and a 3 week season to hunt. That's more than enough time to learn a new unit and have a successful hunt.youre right, roll out a map and you have 4 months to scout. My property boarders timber property in 117 that holds 3 bull moose that I've studied for 4 years that I guarantee are top 5 or better in the state. Why would I give out tips for something that I put in for and have done the time year after year to someone who just randomly puts in, not knowing the unit and wants tips/info?
gls, I don't know a ton about the unit but I've hunted it a couple times. Send me a PM and I'll tell you what I know.
Not greedy, but I'm not a hand out guy either.
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Post by: bobcat on June 15, 2017, 09:23:14 PM
benhuntin- who do you think was being sarcastic? The OP?
Post by: benhuntin on June 15, 2017, 09:24:45 PM
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Post by: bobcat on June 15, 2017, 09:25:40 PM
The OP
Yeah, I suppose it's possible.
Post by: lokidog on June 15, 2017, 10:26:17 PM
Start with an area you know, before you apply..
My son drew a Chiwawa tag, I've driven down highway 2, should he not have applied? He applied there to give us a reason to check out a new area. Any tips are appreciated. BTW, his is the antlerless youth tag before people get all butt hurt about tags being "taken" from them..... :rolleyes: However, getting a shot at a buck would be a priority for him, and me. ;)
Post by: HntnFsh on June 16, 2017, 05:45:24 AM
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Post by: Mfowl on June 16, 2017, 09:09:16 AM
Seriously? You guys are all wrong. Maybe he wanted to draw and learn a new unit. He has 4 full months to scout and a 3 week season to hunt. That's more than enough time to learn a new unit and have a successful hunt.
gls, I don't know a ton about the unit but I've hunted it a couple times. Send me a PM and I'll tell you what I know.
^^^ This.
I apply for units all the time I've never been to. This year, I bet I listed 100 units across the west I've never been in. That's half the fun, drawing a tag and then getting the maps, checking out Google Earth, contacting former tag holders, scouting trips in the summer, etc. I'll never understand why people get bent out of shape about that.
^^^ And this!
Post by: Bob33 on June 16, 2017, 09:09:21 AM
I apply for units all the time I've never been to. This year, I bet I listed 100 units across the west I've never been in. That's half the fun, drawing a tag and then getting the maps, checking out Google Earth, contacting former tag holders, scouting trips in the summer, etc. I'll never understand why people get bent out of shape about that.:yeah: Likewise.
Post by: grade-creek-rd on June 16, 2017, 09:16:36 AM
Grade
Post by: Mtnwalker on June 16, 2017, 09:26:15 AM
I'll never understand why people get bent out of shape about that.
Must be one of those Hardcore hunters I'm always hearing about. From what I understand, us regular guys just lower their draw odds and get in their way.
Post by: Goose Noose on June 16, 2017, 10:01:35 AM
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Post by: trophyhunt on June 16, 2017, 10:08:48 AM
:yeah: I apply for the tucannon every year and I've never stepped foot in it. People apply for tough draws to have a great hunt, they may never draw or it may take over 22 years. If I scouted in the tucannon when I started applying , I'd forget what I learned by now. People should be able to ask for help on here, I look at permit units differently from open units, there is a very good chance we will only hunt those special places once or twice in our lifetime. I hope he gets some good info.Seriously? You guys are all wrong. Maybe he wanted to draw and learn a new unit. He has 4 full months to scout and a 3 week season to hunt. That's more than enough time to learn a new unit and have a successful hunt.
gls, I don't know a ton about the unit but I've hunted it a couple times. Send me a PM and I'll tell you what I know.
^^^ This.I apply for units all the time I've never been to. This year, I bet I listed 100 units across the west I've never been in. That's half the fun, drawing a tag and then getting the maps, checking out Google Earth, contacting former tag holders, scouting trips in the summer, etc. I'll never understand why people get bent out of shape about that.
^^^ And this!
Post by: Ridgerunner on June 16, 2017, 11:26:01 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on June 16, 2017, 11:30:43 AM
I've applied for units I've never set foot in as well. However before applying for a unit you can bet I've spent hours, researching it, looking at maps, google earth, talking to former tag holders, etc. That is a lot of the fun, so when I do draw those particular tags I've already got my starting points 1-5 generally. I'm not asking where do I start? There's a big difference. The O.P. made it sound like he randomly picked the unit, got drawn and is now asking for a handout. That's what I have a problem with.I hear what your saying Brian, but your more of a stats guy than most. You probably know the odds of drawing that tag off the top of your head! 😁
Post by: Skillet on June 16, 2017, 11:55:44 AM
I've applied for units I've never set foot in as well. However before applying for a unit you can bet I've spent hours, researching it, looking at maps, google earth, talking to former tag holders, etc. That is a lot of the fun, so when I do draw those particular tags I've already got my starting points 1-5 generally. I'm not asking where do I start? There's a big difference. The O.P. made it sound like he randomly picked the unit, got drawn and is now asking for a handout. That's what I have a problem with.
This attitude is the kind of thing that makes new people not want to post on here, and the rest of us post a lot less. Lots of posts here come across as sour grapes.
You sure read a lot into the OP's post. He didn't make it sounds like anything other than "hey, just got a Chiwawa tag, any ideas on where to start?" I don't see anything here that justifies the amount of negativity that followed. You don't know why he picked that unit (not that it's anybody's business anyway), he's not asking for a handout, and 5 years of legwork ahead of a deer hunt doesn't sound like fun to everybody. Sometimes people just want an above average chance to kill a nice buck. He got it, good for him. Hope he gets a masher.
All that said, I'm going to keep what little info I have that might be relevant to myself. There is an outside chance I'll end up hunting up there again, and I've learned the hard way that you can't unshare info you've shared. But I'll be danged if I'm going to come on here and piss on this guys parade.
Happy for you OP, good luck on your hunt. :tup:
Post by: Woodchuck on June 16, 2017, 12:02:22 PM
What he said. :tup::yeah: I apply for the tucannon every year and I've never stepped foot in it. People apply for tough draws to have a great hunt, they may never draw or it may take over 22 years. If I scouted in the tucannon when I started applying , I'd forget what I learned by now. People should be able to ask for help on here, I look at permit units differently from open units, there is a very good chance we will only hunt those special places once or twice in our lifetime. I hope he gets some good info.Seriously? You guys are all wrong. Maybe he wanted to draw and learn a new unit. He has 4 full months to scout and a 3 week season to hunt. That's more than enough time to learn a new unit and have a successful hunt.
gls, I don't know a ton about the unit but I've hunted it a couple times. Send me a PM and I'll tell you what I know.
^^^ This.I apply for units all the time I've never been to. This year, I bet I listed 100 units across the west I've never been in. That's half the fun, drawing a tag and then getting the maps, checking out Google Earth, contacting former tag holders, scouting trips in the summer, etc. I'll never understand why people get bent out of shape about that.
^^^ And this!
Post by: Rainier10 on June 17, 2017, 07:20:42 PM
Good luck with the tag, looking forward to hearing how you do.
Post by: scoutdog346 on June 18, 2017, 10:39:16 AM
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Post by: Bigshooter on June 18, 2017, 11:19:59 AM
I apply for units all the time I've never been to. This year, I bet I listed 100 units across the west I've never been in. That's half the fun, drawing a tag and then getting the maps, checking out Google Earth, contacting former tag holders, scouting trips in the summer, etc. I'll never understand why people get bent out of shape about that.
:yeah:
If I only applied for units I know, I wouldn't apply for many tags and I wouldn't go on 2 or 3 out of state hunts every year. Half the fun is learning a new unit and talking to guys that have had the tag before. I've made a few friends that way now.
Post by: Bigshooter on June 18, 2017, 11:23:57 AM
I've applied for units I've never set foot in as well. However before applying for a unit you can bet I've spent hours, researching it, looking at maps, google earth, talking to former tag holders, etc. That is a lot of the fun, so when I do draw those particular tags I've already got my starting points 1-5 generally. I'm not asking where do I start? There's a big difference. The O.P. made it sound like he randomly picked the unit, got drawn and is now asking for a handout. That's what I have a problem with.
What's the difference if you wait until you have the tag before you do this? :dunno:
I've been told many times by former tag holders to get a hold of them when I draw the tag.
Post by: Igor on June 18, 2017, 01:22:05 PM
I drew the Chiwawa quality tag, any ideas on where to start
I don't mind helping privately, and I have many many times with people I've met on the forum. But when you put this little amount of effort into a post asking for hard earned information, I think you should get NONE! :twocents:
I agree if you don't know anything about the unit you applied for the wrong one.
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I just don't get why some people think a hunting unit is their own private hunting ground. Weird..............
Post by: ghostshell on June 18, 2017, 04:34:08 PM
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Post by: teanawayslayer on June 19, 2017, 07:58:46 PM
Start with an area you know, before you apply..wow bunch of haters on here. Give the guy a break. It happens every year on here after the draw. Yes I shake my head as well, but it is what it is. Guy got lucky and pulled a tag. :tup:. Need any info gls shoot me a pm. I'm jealous as hell :chuckle:
Post by: Eric M on June 19, 2017, 09:51:27 PM
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Post by: Bullkllr on June 20, 2017, 07:32:22 AM
5 months to plan and scout.
I got no issue with asking for tips.
Post by: swift on June 20, 2017, 07:36:40 AM
That being said I shared my good luck of drawing a Slide Ridge tag and was not looking for any help as I know some of the unit and plan on learning more on my own! But I have had an outpouring of PM's with great info from some stand up fellas!
Post by: Bwana Bob on June 20, 2017, 08:16:38 AM
Now I'm afraid to even drive on Chiwawa road system or God forbid even ask for advice. Time to move to WY or MT.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on June 20, 2017, 08:27:29 AM
Post by: grundy53 on June 20, 2017, 08:31:32 AM
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Post by: 2MANY on June 20, 2017, 11:18:31 AM
Sorry.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on June 20, 2017, 11:42:53 AM
Post by: Bushcraft on June 20, 2017, 11:56:54 AM
I've applied for units I've never set foot in as well. However before applying for a unit you can bet I've spent hours, researching it, looking at maps, google earth, talking to former tag holders, etc. That is a lot of the fun, so when I do draw those particular tags I've already got my starting points 1-5 generally. I'm not asking where do I start? There's a big difference. The O.P. made it sound like he randomly picked the unit, got drawn and is now asking for a handout. That's what I have a problem with.
Bingo. As a huge proponent of a merit-based philosophy and lifestyle, I totally get this viewpoint.
On the other hand, I also get that a lot can be lost in the translation of black and white words on hunting forums. Our hunting heritage is at risk if we don't lend some support to newbies that are trying to figure it all out.
Regards,
Allen
Post by: WSU on June 20, 2017, 12:25:09 PM
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Post by: Bill W on June 20, 2017, 02:17:11 PM
I always wanted to hunt the golf course. I guess that’s not going to happen.
Didn't know you were a deer hunter and the golf course isn't an easy spot to get to.
Post by: Ridgerunner on June 20, 2017, 02:35:14 PM
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Post by: Eric M on June 20, 2017, 10:38:20 PM
Post by: bobcat on June 20, 2017, 10:48:30 PM
Maybe there are some bad attitudes on here. However I would suggest to the OP that contributing to the forum has gotten me more help. 24 posts in 4 years and most of them just asking for information doesn't really seem like it's in the spirit of what a forum is supposed to be.
I agree but I'd rather see his post ignored and soon it would be buried so far down that nobody would ever see it. Rather than comments that you need to know a unit intimately if you're going to apply for a special permit there. Or some people even think you should live in the same county. Ridiculous. People can apply for whatever they want, if they don't have a successful hunt, that's their problem. The ones that do bother me however, are the permits in areas that are nearly 100% private land. Those are the hunts that people shouldn't apply for unless they already have a plan for accessing the private land. But the Chiwawa is nearly all public land so nobody has any more right to hunt it than anybody else.
Post by: Eric M on June 20, 2017, 10:51:41 PM
I get what you're saying.Maybe there are some bad attitudes on here. However I would suggest to the OP that contributing to the forum has gotten me more help. 24 posts in 4 years and most of them just asking for information doesn't really seem like it's in the spirit of what a forum is supposed to be.
I agree but I'd rather see his post ignored and soon it would be buried so far down that nobody would ever see it. Rather than comments that you need to know a unit intimately if you're going to apply for a special permit there. Or some people even think you should live in the same county. Ridiculous. People can apply for whatever they want, if they don't have a successful hunt, that's their problem. The ones that do bother me however, are the permits in areas that are nearly 100% private land. Those are the hunts that people shouldn't apply for unless they already have a plan for accessing the private land. But the Chiwawa is nearly all public land so nobody has any more right to hunt it than anybody else.
Post by: gls on June 23, 2017, 07:04:10 AM
Post by: Mfowl on June 23, 2017, 05:45:13 PM
Gentlemen, I understand and have found out the hard way your secret hunting areas are yours and I understand how cherished they are, I also know asking for advice from previous tag holders who may never draw this tag again is priceless information. I wish I could have known the area well but live on the Southwestern side of the state and my work schedule is very busy and I cannot come over every weekend to scout, I do plan on coming over this summer to drive the roads and learn them a bit. I did not plan on upsetting anyone or starting an argument,about whether or not one should apply for a tag, but people here on this site have been very helpful in the past for my son and I on our moose hunts, a wealth of information that guys were willing to pass on to help a guy out, I always tell people about this site for that very reason, so I understand if you do not want to share and you don't have to, but I also really appreciate all the help I can get and have received, I want to thank each and every one of you guys and also want to wish you the best on your hunts this coming year, sincerely, Gary
Cbeers! :tup: Congrats and good luck with your tag! How bout some moose pics? :drool:
Post by: Muleyslyr on June 25, 2017, 07:51:31 PM