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Community => Butchering, Cooking, Recipes => Topic started by: DoubleJ on June 25, 2017, 10:18:13 AM
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After pre seasoning 6 times with Crisco, cooking a total of 3lbs of bacon, and a batch of fried chicken, I STILL have bacon sticking to the pan. Not even trying eggs. I did fry chicken the other day and it worked great and the pan came out looking wonderful with just a wipe down. So I stored it properly for a couple of days and today, I pulled it out, touched the inside and it felt slick, not sticky. So I preheated it on medium heat and threw some bacon in there. BAM. Stuck and burned. Not at the point of giving up but, I expected less food sticking. What am I doing wrong?
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too hot
let the bacon melt and it will release, don't turn until it's loosed up in the pan (released). use a press helps keep the ends flat, but use caution a press will burn bacon quick
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Try an egg. Bacon can be a little sticky even in a really good cast iron pan.
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Try an egg. Bacon can be a little sticky even in a really good cast iron pan.
:yeah: my cast iron skillet is over 75 years old and bacon can still be a struggle sometimes.
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I once had a real old cast iron pan that bacon would stick in. I found that if used lower heat i didn't have a problem. Took longer to crisp up but after the fat started to melt I could turn it up a bit.
My son decided to cook up some bacon one day, Got the pan to hot. Tossed in a cold piece of bacon and BOOM!! Split the pan in two. Haven't found another like it so I have not replaced it.
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even the best old cast iron isn't as non-stick as todays fancy coated Teflon, but the pan will last forever and get better the longer you use it. Stuff still will cook on the pan and stick, but just put a little water (no soap) in the pan, soak off the food, scrape, and wipe with oil. It takes awhile to get the pan good and cured.
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Like others said, to hot. I've made the switch to cast iron a couple months back and finally feel that mine are well cured. I still need to add a touch of oil when cooking eggs, and if its to hot, bacon will stick break apart. Eggs I get the pan basically smoking hot and drop them in and then turn it to low, bacon I start at medium heat and let them heat up a little slower before giving them more. Medium heat is a good heat to cook bacon on anyway, keeps the splatter down somewhat.
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Medium heat is all I use. Wifes rules state no cooking higher than that allowed on her stove. It's an electric glass top stove if that makes a bit of difference with cast iron
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I know I will be cast out as a heretic for suggesting it, but best way* to cook bacon is a 400 degree oven, on foil over a half sheet cookie pan. 20 minutes to yummy bacon, then fold up the foil and toss the mess in the garbage.
I may be cast out, but I'll be eating bacon twice as fast, while your still washing dishes.
* OK the best way is to have a hot blonde do it.
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I know I will be cast out as a heretic for suggesting it, but best way* to cook bacon is a 400 degree oven, on foil over a half sheet cookie pan. 20 minutes to yummy bacon, then fold up the foil and toss the mess in the garbage.
I may be cast out, but I'll be eating bacon twice as fast, while your still washing dishes.
* OK the best way is to have a hot blonde do it.
I can't disagree with this. I just like the grease in the pan for cooking other stuff
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I know I will be cast out as a heretic for suggesting it, but best way* to cook bacon is a 400 degree oven, on foil over a half sheet cookie pan. 20 minutes to yummy bacon, then fold up the foil and toss the mess in the garbage.
I may be cast out, but I'll be eating bacon twice as fast, while your still washing dishes.
* OK the best way is to have a hot blonde do it.
I can't disagree with this. I just like the grease in the pan for cooking other stuff
This
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I know I will be cast out as a heretic for suggesting it, but best way* to cook bacon is a 400 degree oven, on foil over a half sheet cookie pan. 20 minutes to yummy bacon, then fold up the foil and toss the mess in the garbage.
I may be cast out, but I'll be eating bacon twice as fast, while your still washing dishes.
* OK the best way is to have a hot blonde do it.
I periodically cook bacon in the oven too. Especially if I sprinkle brown sugar and cracked pepper on, the oven is the only way to cook it with those ingredients on it. Or if there's limited space on the stove, bacon will go in the oven. See Fl0und3rz, you not a total out cast :P
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Very good. *sniffs*
I have cast iron too, mostly just for corn bread, and I use the bacon grease, too.
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Very good. *sniffs*
I have cast iron too, mostly just for corn bread, and I use the bacon grease, too.
By the way, who let you out the off topics area, get back in there where you belong :chuckle:
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I like to see what other areas of this off-topics-wa forum are about from time to time.
:chuckle:
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I know I will be cast out as a heretic for suggesting it, but best way* to cook bacon is a 400 degree oven, on foil over a half sheet cookie pan. 20 minutes to yummy bacon, then fold up the foil and toss the mess in the garbage.
I may be cast out, but I'll be eating bacon twice as fast, while your still washing dishes.
* OK the best way is to have a hot blonde do it.
I do like the oven method to cook bacon, but use baking sheets/paper instead of foil. We now know that using foil to cook food releases heavy metals into the food - it's really bad for you and especially the little ones. Also, using it to store foods that contain acids (tomato sauce, citrus, fruit salad), will also release the metals into your food. Baking paper works great and it's also easier to handle. You can buy rolls or sheets of it. The sheets are normally the right size for a half baking sheet.
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I know I will be cast out as a heretic for suggesting it, but best way* to cook bacon is a 400 degree oven, on foil over a half sheet cookie pan. 20 minutes to yummy bacon, then fold up the foil and toss the mess in the garbage.
I may be cast out, but I'll be eating bacon twice as fast, while your still washing dishes.
* OK the best way is to have a hot blonde do it.
I do like the oven method to cook bacon, but use baking sheets/paper instead of foil. We now know that using foil to cook food releases heavy metals into the food - it's really bad for you and especially the little ones. Also, using it to store foods that contain acids (tomato sauce, citrus, fruit salad), will also release the metals into your food. Baking paper works great and it's also easier to handle. You can buy rolls or sheets of it. The sheets are normally the right size for a half baking sheet.
I use a cookie cooling rack or something like on a baking sheet to keep the bacon from sitting in grease.
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"Sitting in grease?"
Now who's the heretic?
Use baking sheets, and you're still cleaning the sheet pan. I'll take my risk with aluminum foil.
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It's not a good trade off. :dunno:
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I'll admit, I was a baking paper skeptic for a long time. I started doing my potatoes on it recently though and I was impressed. I don't think it folds well enough around the edges of cookie sheets to actually trap the grease though, it usually ends up in the bottom of the sheet and you have to clean it out. I like the idea of the cooling rack to suspend it. If you have convection, it probably cooks both sides fairly well.
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"Sitting in grease?"
Now who's the heretic?
Use baking sheets, and you're still cleaning the sheet pan. I'll take my risk with aluminum foil.
I had a feeling I was gonna get it with the "not sitting in grease" :P
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I'll admit, I was a baking paper skeptic for a long time. I started doing my potatoes on it recently though and I was impressed. I don't think it folds well enough around the edges of cookie sheets to actually trap the grease though, it usually ends up in the bottom of the sheet and you have to clean it out. I like the idea of the cooling rack to suspend it. If you have convection, it probably cooks both sides fairly well.
Are you talking about parchment paper?
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It's not a good trade off. :dunno:
I'm open to convincing.
I have not seen convincing evidence of the dangers of cooking with aluminum, and I have seen countless examples of things that were known to kill me to the point it was common knowledge, only to have that retracted or walked back, and still other examples where pseudoscience or later revealed to be falsified or poorly conducted "science" (glycogen/Roundup*) was pushed for political or commercial reasons.
Start another thread on the dangers of aluminum and I'll follow along.
* http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0278691512005637
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I'll admit, I was a baking paper skeptic for a long time. I started doing my potatoes on it recently though and I was impressed. I don't think it folds well enough around the edges of cookie sheets to actually trap the grease though, it usually ends up in the bottom of the sheet and you have to clean it out. I like the idea of the cooling rack to suspend it. If you have convection, it probably cooks both sides fairly well.
Are you talking about parchment paper?
Baking paper is the same as parchment paper. And, an even better one is Saga baking paper.
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It's not a good trade off. :dunno:
I'm open to convincing.
I have not seen convincing evidence of the dangers of cooking with aluminum, and I have seen countless examples of things that were known to kill me to the point it was common knowledge, only to have that retracted or walked back, and still other examples where pseudoscience or later revealed to be falsified or poorly conducted "science" (glycogen/Roundup*) was pushed for political or commercial reasons.
Start another thread on the dangers of aluminum and I'll follow along.
* http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0278691512005637
I'm talking specifically about foil, not aluminum pans. I may start a thread on it or may PM you a link. :tup:
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I have a full set of Lodge cast iron. I use to swear they cook better then anything.
There is something about cooking in camp with cast iron, that sill has a place in my heart.
But I have found I usually go for the quicker meals cooked over a grill over the meals cooked in cast iron.
I no longer believe cast iron cook better then your average non-stick pots and pans.
I still use the roaster most of the time when I want to braise something.
I find using my grill, sears meat better, with a higher temp, with less cleanup or hassle then a cast iron.
My cast iron set (with the exception of the large skillet and roaster) have been in storage since we moved to OKC two years ago.
Some good truth about cat iron here:
http://www.seriouseats.com/2014/11/the-truth-about-cast-iron.html
most of the time
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I'll admit, I was a baking paper skeptic for a long time. I started doing my potatoes on it recently though and I was impressed. I don't think it folds well enough around the edges of cookie sheets to actually trap the grease though, it usually ends up in the bottom of the sheet and you have to clean it out. I like the idea of the cooling rack to suspend it. If you have convection, it probably cooks both sides fairly well.
Are you talking about parchment paper?
yes
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I am liking the oven idea. A bit of brown sugar and black pepper on my bacon sounds good.
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Is it bad form to cook in cast iron that is coated in enamel? Asking for Southpole.
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I am liking the oven idea. A bit of brown sugar and black pepper on my bacon sounds good.
Haggen Grocery used to send little recipe pamphlets to customers years ago, that bacon cooking tip was in their brunch edition. Thick bacon or thin it's all good.
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Is it bad form to cook in cast iron that is coated in enamel? Asking for Southpole.
Whaaat :yike:
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Enamel coated cast iron is make believe cast iron. Uncoated cast iron is for grown ups 8)
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:chuckle:
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I own a couple pieces of the La Cruzet iron cookware and it's fabulous stuff. Also very expensive compared to cast iron.
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I own a couple pieces of the La Cruzet iron cookware and it's fabulous stuff. Also very expensive compared to cast iron.
That's the stuff that Southpole was talking about, I think. Seems kind of girlish.
*slides coated Dutch Oven out of sight*
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I own a couple pieces of the La Cruzet iron cookware and it's fabulous stuff. Also very expensive compared to cast iron.
That's the stuff that Southpole was talking about, I think. Seems kind of girlish.
*slides coated Dutch Oven out of sight*
:chuckle: I do feel prettier when I use it.
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I own a couple pieces of the La Cruzet iron cookware and it's fabulous stuff. Also very expensive compared to cast iron.
Love the Le Creuset, it is expensive but I look classier when I use it. When I use my old Griswolds I just look like another ol' red neck gal cookin' grub.
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I own a couple pieces of the La Cruzet iron cookware and it's fabulous stuff. Also very expensive compared to cast iron.
That's the stuff that Southpole was talking about, I think. Seems kind of girlish.
*slides coated Dutch Oven out of sight*
Thanks!!! I resemble that remark :-* Nice try Fl0und3rz :chuckle: :chuckle:
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My wife has a couple of coated pans. The only one that gets used is the one that most of the enamel is worn off of. It is usually only brought out for grilled sandwiches. They are small in comparison to the square one that popped. I miss that old pan :'(
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The warranty is hard to beat - lifetime. It's sand-molded iron. I don't know what that means but it's worth paying another $30 for a pan for sure! :chuckle:
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Hey Fl0und3rz, you get bored pickin' on jay.sharkbait, slow day in the off topics or what? Bacon eaters have feelings too you know :'(... ;)
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It's not a good trade off. :dunno:
I'm open to convincing.
I have not seen convincing evidence of the dangers of cooking with aluminum, and I have seen countless examples of things that were known to kill me to the point it was common knowledge, only to have that retracted or walked back, and still other examples where pseudoscience or later revealed to be falsified or poorly conducted "science" (glycogen/Roundup*) was pushed for political or commercial reasons.
Start another thread on the dangers of aluminum and I'll follow along.
* http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0278691512005637
I'm talking specifically about foil, not aluminum pans. I may start a thread on it or may PM you a link. :tup:
Start a thread
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Is it bad form to cook in cast iron that is coated in enamel? Asking for Southpole.
I bought my wife a Dutch oven coated in enamel From costco... All I can tell you is WOW! Clean up is easy and the meat just falls off the bone... I have a normal Dutch oven and I find it is better used outdoors in a camping scenario w/ a fire
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Bacon has sugar in it and that creates the sticking problem. But you can waaaay improve the nonstick qualities of cast iron. Grind the inside surface as smooth as you can. Get it as close to a glass mirror finish as you want to work at it. I worked over a new Dutch oven last summer and have pics but can't post them because Photobucket has kidnapped pics in their “free” accounts and is holding them hostage for $399 to post a photo here.
I use a flap wheel angle grinder, a soft surface grinding pad on an electric drill and a dremel for the inside corners. I planned to go to 400 grit but it was extremely smooth at 200 (220?) grit so I quit though did a bit of hand touch up with 400 in spots. Then wash in soapy water and season. End the wash with cold water and ASAP dry and oil the smooth iron surface. If warm the bare iron will flash rust in seconds. I like a 3 step season, each stage hotter and finish with oil wiped off and 300 degree heat allowed to cool slowly without opening the oven door. It gives it a golden hue that is hard and non sticky or gummy at all to the touch. The non-stick smooth finish is not as good as commercial non-stick ceramic coated pans but it is close, so good that I am intending to smooth up my best ancient old cast iron skillet.
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Wow I love the sanding idea! Kind of a no brainer but not sure why I didn't think of it!
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A friend of ours is a hardcore iron man and that's what he did with his skillets, ground them until smooth as a babies butt.
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Best bacon I've ever cooked myself was on my grill. Put a cookie cooling rack on the grill and tend the bacon, it will cook fast. The grease smoking adds a great flavor. My old grill used to get pretty messy with the grease, but the new Webers really manage grease well.
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Will add that a tip I read from Ted Trueblood some 40 years ago was to lap the lid on a Dutch oven. I follow his recommendation to put medium valve grinding compound on the rim and lid and turn it back and forth and around and around. It is a slow process to smooth the fit (I never figured out how to rotate it with a motor). I set the Dutch oven on newspaper on the floor beside my computer and for three or four days, just turn the lid once in awhile for a minute or two till my fingers/hand get tied. It removes the sand cast pebble bumps and makes a much tighter seal to hold steam etc. It made the rim knife sharp in places, so I took off the sharp edge with a whetstone.
I came up with the idea to grind and polish my cast iron smooth, and then discovered that it is an old idea. :chuckle: Many others have done it and there is info on YouTube on smoothing cast iron.
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Best bacon I've ever cooked myself was on my grill. Put a cookie cooling rack on the grill and tend the bacon, it will cook fast. The grease smoking adds a great flavor. My old grill used to get pretty messy with the grease, but the new Webers really manage grease well.
+1 for this.
Try threading the bacon like ribbon candy on a metal skewer and then cooking really low on the grill
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Best bacon I've ever cooked myself was on my grill. Put a cookie cooling rack on the grill and tend the bacon, it will cook fast. The grease smoking adds a great flavor. My old grill used to get pretty messy with the grease, but the new Webers really manage grease well.
+1 for this.
Try threading the bacon like ribbon candy on a metal skewer and then cooking really low on the grill
Bacon wraps on the grill are good. Take a bunch of slices all in line with a skewer. Then toss in a few onion slices and jalapenos. Wrap everything tight with more bacon and pin in place with toothpicks. Grill. The outermost bacon is crunchy, the innermost is still soft.
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We have old Wagner & Griswold frying pans, griddles, corn bread pans, dutch ovens, deep frying pans and I don't know if I could get anything to stick to them if I wanted to. Never let anyone anywhere near them with Dawn or it may take lots of effort to get them right again though.
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last batch of bacon I made was on the treager, with some brisket rub. It wasn't ordinary bacon though, it was home made thick cut, brine cured, and mildly smoked from an older sow.