Post by: acnewman55 on June 26, 2017, 09:07:01 AM
He is an outdoor photographer capturing drone footage for outdoor brands, specifically in the mountain biking space. Avid skier and backpacker as well.
An experienced outdoorsman, though not a hunter, and does not carry a firearm. His dog is an Aussie-shepherd / Bernese Mountain Dog mix.
The photo in his post shows only the trail, he posted only because he had to post some image.
I have not had a chance to discuss with him, but thought I'd share. I consider him to be a credible person, not a boy who cried wolf.
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Post by: Mudman on June 26, 2017, 09:17:45 AM
Post by: fish vacuum on June 26, 2017, 09:29:09 AM
Post by: Jim/WA on June 26, 2017, 09:44:39 AM
Post by: Special T on June 26, 2017, 09:49:26 AM
Should prove interesting with folks my bike riding and snow skiing in the area...
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Post by: KFhunter on June 26, 2017, 09:51:29 AM
This in taking the story at face value.
Post by: CP on June 26, 2017, 09:52:41 AM
Post by: Mudman on June 26, 2017, 10:31:59 AM
I've heard of this type of behavior before. Sounds like he got an escort out of a denning area. Not sure why you would try to out run a wolf though unless it was to the nearest tree.Maybe so. Interesting. Having a dog in wolf lands isn't good either..It does make hair stand up when wolves are close and start howling. I understand wanting to run but its not the best move!
Post by: acnewman55 on June 26, 2017, 10:59:49 AM
Can you give us his Instagram account name?
For what reason?
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Post by: pianoman9701 on June 26, 2017, 11:44:15 AM
Post by: Duckgtr on June 26, 2017, 11:49:24 AM
I've heard of this type of behavior before. Sounds like he got an escort out of a denning area. Not sure why you would try to out run a wolf though unless it was to the nearest tree.Maybe so. Interesting. Having a dog in wolf lands isn't good either..It does make hair stand up when wolves are close and start howling. I understand wanting to run but its not the best move!
Made the hair stand up on the back of my neck when I heard my neighbors wolf/hybrid or wolf (I don't talk to them) howled. It does drive my dogs nuts though when it howls and doesn't sound like a normal dog.
Post by: lewy on June 26, 2017, 11:49:48 AM
Post by: acnewman55 on June 26, 2017, 12:26:46 PM
I'm not saying I don't believe you or him. But he was out taking pictures with a drone and didn't take any of the wolves? He sounds like someone who should stay out of the woods, just from reading his account. :dunno:
He wasn't out working. Just hiking with his dog. No drone, just his phone camera.
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Post by: Pegasus on June 26, 2017, 12:53:28 PM
Post by: KFhunter on June 26, 2017, 12:53:56 PM
I'm not saying I don't believe you or him. But he was out taking pictures with a drone and didn't take any of the wolves? He sounds like someone who should stay out of the woods, just from reading his account. :dunno:
He wasn't out working. Just hiking with his dog. No drone, just his phone camera.
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I had wolves trailing me for 5 days and I never seen fur, but I was also not trying to see wolves (temptation) so I ignored them. Still, I expected to catch a glimpse on my 6 once in a while.
Post by: seth30 on June 26, 2017, 01:02:38 PM
Post by: KFhunter on June 26, 2017, 01:49:07 PM
Thought I saw one three weeks ago over in 49 Degrees north. Started predator calling for one last chance at spring bear and saw something black loping along the hill side. Turned out I was only seeing the legs of a bull moose as he ran for his life from the sound I was producing :chuckle:
Next time you're up in 49 make some scrapes as you walk along, kick around to make some fresh dirt then pee in the middle of it then on your way back out see if anything has changed :chuckle: :o
Post by: scottr on June 26, 2017, 02:08:30 PM
I have hunted this area a for number of years and have seen significant wolf sign (scat and prints) so it doesn't surprise me to hear that he had this encounter. This is within easy range of the Teanaway Pack, packs out of Greenwater/410 and any lone wolves using the MF Snoqulamie/Taylor Fork/Alpine Lakes (as I and other have documented) so it could be one of those packs or a breeding pair branching off expanding their territory
Post by: scottr on June 26, 2017, 02:11:13 PM
I've heard of this type of behavior before. Sounds like he got an escort out of a denning area. Not sure why you would try to out run a wolf though unless it was to the nearest tree.
My thoughts, not the best choice but given his adrenaline/fear running was not an unnatural response to the danger he was sensing.
Post by: fish vacuum on June 26, 2017, 05:14:00 PM
I was expecting photos until I read your post again.Can you give us his Instagram account name?
For what reason?
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Post by: Pegasus on June 26, 2017, 06:57:06 PM
Post by: scottr on June 27, 2017, 11:09:17 AM
Sorry but I think this guy is mistaken. One you aren't going to outrun a hungry wolf pack no matter how good you are in trail running and second, wolves barking at a domestic dog sounds more like dogs. Growl and snarl maybe. Run Forest run. I think this is a fairy tale or a very confused photographer.
Here are my reasons to believe his story 1) multiple sources talking with him that he did encounter an animal on the trail 2) he saw a large canine animal on the trail 3) there are wolves in this area, I know from personal experience.
Bark may not be the most accurate term for wolf vocalization but they will make noises other than howling when addressing a threat, I'd call it a huff or woof.
His choice to run had nothing to do with thinking, it was pure instinct driven by fear flight/fight.
Post by: ghosthunter on June 27, 2017, 11:18:13 AM
Sorry but I think this guy is mistaken. One you aren't going to outrun a hungry wolf pack no matter how good you are in trail running and second, wolves barking at a domestic dog sounds more like dogs. Growl and snarl maybe. Run Forest run. I think this is a fairy tale or a very confused photographer.
I tend to think this happen.
We heard a story like this a year or two ago from a very reliable and experience hunter on this forum. Possible a better hunter than most of us.
She was packing out a deer on a mule deer hunt when she was followed by wolves if I remember right.
Post by: scottr on June 27, 2017, 11:59:58 AM
Sorry but I think this guy is mistaken. One you aren't going to outrun a hungry wolf pack no matter how good you are in trail running and second, wolves barking at a domestic dog sounds more like dogs. Growl and snarl maybe. Run Forest run. I think this is a fairy tale or a very confused photographer.
Here are my reasons to believe his story 1) multiple sources talking with him that he did encounter an animal on the trail 2) he saw a large canine animal on the trail 3) there are wolves in this area, I know from personal experience.
Bark may not be the most accurate term for wolf vocalization but they will make noises other than howling when addressing a threat, I'd call it a huff or woof.
His choice to run had nothing to do with thinking, it was pure instinct driven by fear flight/fight.
Just to add to this on the vocalizations. From the International Wolf Center:
http://www.wolf.org/wolf-info/basic-wolf-info/biology-and-behavior/communication/
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When you hear a wolf howl in the night–the are not howling at the moon–they are communicating. They call any time of the day, but they are most easily heard in the evening when the wind dies down and wolves are most active. Wolves’ vocalizations can be separated into four categories: barking, whimpering, growling, and howling. Sounds created by the wolf may actually be a combination of sounds such as a bark-howl or growl-bark.
Barking is used as a warning. A mother may bark to her pups because she senses danger, or a bark or bark-howl may be used to show aggression in defense of the pack or territory.
Whimpering may be used by a mother to indicate her willingness to nurse her young. It is also used to indicate “I give up.” if they are in a submissive position and another wolf is dominating them.
Growling is used as a warning. A wolf may growl at intruding wolves or predators, or to indicate dominance.
Howling is the one form of communication used by wolves that is intended for long distance. A defensive howl is used to keep the pack together and strangers away, to stand their ground and protect young pups who cannot yet travel from danger, and protect kill sites. A social howl is used to locate one another, rally together and possibly just for fun.
Post by: thinkingman on July 09, 2017, 09:57:52 AM
I agree and also think the wolves were not intent on harming/eating said photographer and dog.Sorry but I think this guy is mistaken. One you aren't going to outrun a hungry wolf pack no matter how good you are in trail running and second, wolves barking at a domestic dog sounds more like dogs. Growl and snarl maybe. Run Forest run. I think this is a fairy tale or a very confused photographer.
Here are my reasons to believe his story 1) multiple sources talking with him that he did encounter an animal on the trail 2) he saw a large canine animal on the trail 3) there are wolves in this area, I know from personal experience.
Bark may not be the most accurate term for wolf vocalization but they will make noises other than howling when addressing a threat, I'd call it a huff or woof.
His choice to run had nothing to do with thinking, it was pure instinct driven by fear flight/fight.
I skied behind a buddy of mine on Mammoth Mtn when a coyote ran next to him for about 20 yards, just like your dog would. Funny to watch.
Post by: MikeWalking on July 09, 2017, 10:13:47 AM