Post by: magnanimous_j on July 14, 2017, 10:38:11 AM
Post by: NRA4LIFE on July 14, 2017, 11:06:31 AM
Post by: CP on July 14, 2017, 11:26:06 AM
Post by: WAcoueshunter on July 14, 2017, 11:55:11 AM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on July 14, 2017, 12:25:08 PM
Anyone getting any Pinks out of the sound yet? I'm considering trying my luck out at Carkeek this weekend.
You fishing from shore, pier, or on the water?
Post by: Skyvalhunter on July 14, 2017, 12:27:04 PM
Post by: CP on July 14, 2017, 12:32:25 PM
Is it suppose to be a good or bad year for them?
this year's run of pink salmon, which mostly return to Washington's waters only in odd-numbered years, is expected to be about 80 percent lower than the 10-year average. About 1.15 million pink salmon are forecast to return to Puget Sound this year.
http://wdfw.wa.gov/news/feb2817b/
Post by: LabChamp on July 14, 2017, 01:00:13 PM
Post by: Widgeondeke on July 14, 2017, 01:07:02 PM
Is it suppose to be a good or bad year for them?
this year's run of pink salmon, which mostly return to Washington's waters only in odd-numbered years, is expected to be about 80 percent lower than the 10-year average. About 1.15 million pink salmon are forecast to return to Puget Sound this year.
http://wdfw.wa.gov/news/feb2817b/
surprised WDFW doesn't close it. The nets will get a few hundred thousand fish, if allowed :twocents:
Post by: CP on July 14, 2017, 01:08:15 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on July 14, 2017, 01:15:40 PM
no bonus pinks for the salmon limit this yearIs it suppose to be a good or bad year for them?
this year's run of pink salmon, which mostly return to Washington's waters only in odd-numbered years, is expected to be about 80 percent lower than the 10-year average. About 1.15 million pink salmon are forecast to return to Puget Sound this year.
http://wdfw.wa.gov/news/feb2817b/
surprised WDFW doesn't close it. The nets will get a few hundred thousand fish, if allowed :twocents:
Post by: SteelheadTed on July 14, 2017, 04:48:49 PM
Post by: NRA4LIFE on July 14, 2017, 06:23:54 PM
Post by: gasman on July 14, 2017, 07:58:11 PM
Post by: h20hunter on July 14, 2017, 08:24:47 PM
I hear yah. Last humpy run i had some....locals.....set nets across my crab pots just N of shipwreck. We had words, not my best day, and lets say that I had my pot free at one end of the net while they pulled im the far end. They were not pleased and I did not care.
Post by: jmscon on July 14, 2017, 09:00:45 PM
WDFW claims bad ocean conditions and low warm spawning streams for the big drop in numbers.
We will see...
Post by: WAcoueshunter on July 14, 2017, 09:07:45 PM
The commercial guys have been fishing long before the runs got so big the last couple of cycles. I'm not going to believe the forecasts, just going to see what shows up.
WDFW claims bad ocean conditions and low warm spawning streams for the big drop in numbers.
We will see...
:yeah: Pinks have a two year life cycle. Just remember back to 2015 when it didn't snow or rain, and there was no water in the rivers. Not a good combo for an early spawning fish.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on July 14, 2017, 09:17:27 PM
Post by: WAcoueshunter on July 14, 2017, 09:39:28 PM
Post by: The Gobble-stopper on July 14, 2017, 11:40:12 PM
Post by: SteelheadTed on July 15, 2017, 10:14:18 PM
What I've seen nobody said is about the net boats running all the way across from Mukilteo to Whidbey during the humpy/silver season the last 2 seasons and the nets all across the Snohomish when they run up the river. I'm not blaming anybody but this has got to stop. We had 8 million humpies a couple years ago and now we have almost none. Someone please explain this to me.
I agree that the netting is frustrating but you really aught to show some data before assuming the nets are to blame for the low fish numbers this year. It isn't productive to assume such things given the tensions of Puget Sound fisheries these days. The Pink run is most likely down this year due to some high water events that happened at a critical time in fish development. This was explained by one of the state biologists. Pick up the phone and talk to a biologist instead of assuming.
http://wdfw.wa.gov/news/feb2817b/ (http://wdfw.wa.gov/news/feb2817b/)
Post by: Crunchy on July 15, 2017, 11:06:11 PM
Post by: singleshot12 on July 16, 2017, 07:35:57 AM
What I've seen nobody said is about the net boats running all the way across from Mukilteo to Whidbey during the humpy/silver season the last 2 seasons and the nets all across the Snohomish when they run up the river. I'm not blaming anybody but this has got to stop. We had 8 million humpies a couple years ago and now we have almost none. Someone please explain this to me.
I agree that the netting is frustrating but you really aught to show some data before assuming the nets are to blame for the low fish numbers this year. It isn't productive to assume such things given the tensions of Puget Sound fisheries these days. The Pink run is most likely down this year due to some high water events that happened at a critical time in fish development. This was explained by one of the state biologists. Pick up the phone and talk to a biologist instead of assuming.
http://wdfw.wa.gov/news/feb2817b/ (http://wdfw.wa.gov/news/feb2817b/)
Not sure how you could "not assume" that "nets" are the no.1 threat to the salmon runs :dunno: The Chum run is a perfect example. I would trust personal observation any day over bio data these days :twocents:
Post by: Igor on July 16, 2017, 08:05:52 AM
Post by: MADMAX on July 16, 2017, 08:13:28 AM
I prefer ch nookie
Post by: singleshot12 on July 16, 2017, 08:48:20 AM
Post by: TheHunt on July 16, 2017, 10:06:49 AM
Yeah the tribes Catch and Release them... after they strip their roe of coarse :rolleyes:
You got that right..
Post by: WAcoueshunter on July 16, 2017, 10:54:54 AM
If fished MA11 yesterday, and got into some cohos, so pinks should be here as well. Another week, I guess and try your fav spots.
Those are the resident coho that don't migrate out of the sound. The ocean fish won't be here for another month or so.
Post by: SteelheadTed on July 16, 2017, 07:14:51 PM
What I've seen nobody said is about the net boats running all the way across from Mukilteo to Whidbey during the humpy/silver season the last 2 seasons and the nets all across the Snohomish when they run up the river. I'm not blaming anybody but this has got to stop. We had 8 million humpies a couple years ago and now we have almost none. Someone please explain this to me.
I agree that the netting is frustrating but you really aught to show some data before assuming the nets are to blame for the low fish numbers this year. It isn't productive to assume such things given the tensions of Puget Sound fisheries these days. The Pink run is most likely down this year due to some high water events that happened at a critical time in fish development. This was explained by one of the state biologists. Pick up the phone and talk to a biologist instead of assuming.
http://wdfw.wa.gov/news/feb2817b/ (http://wdfw.wa.gov/news/feb2817b/)
Not sure how you could "not assume" that "nets" are the no.1 threat to the salmon runs :dunno: The Chum run is a perfect example. I would trust personal observation any day over bio data these days :twocents:
Come on man, you didn't have proof of your first claim and now you've made another claim you can't possibly substantiate, that the biologists data are somehow suspect. Not only is that disrespectful to the hardworking biologists in our state (who don't make policy, which seems to be your real gripe) and you've offered no proof. What proof do you have of either claim? Personal observation is not proof.
Post by: Taco280AI on July 16, 2017, 07:18:20 PM
Post by: birdmanwa on July 16, 2017, 07:22:49 PM
What I've seen nobody said is about the net boats running all the way across from Mukilteo to Whidbey during the humpy/silver season the last 2 seasons and the nets all across the Snohomish when they run up the river. I'm not blaming anybody but this has got to stop. We had 8 million humpies a couple years ago and now we have almost none. Someone please explain this to me.
I agree that the netting is frustrating but you really aught to show some data before assuming the nets are to blame for the low fish numbers this year. It isn't productive to assume such things given the tensions of Puget Sound fisheries these days. The Pink run is most likely down this year due to some high water events that happened at a critical time in fish development. This was explained by one of the state biologists. Pick up the phone and talk to a biologist instead of assuming.
http://wdfw.wa.gov/news/feb2817b/ (http://wdfw.wa.gov/news/feb2817b/)
It's hard to show any data when the natives don't report data and when they throw thefish back after taking the roe. The natives might not be the sole reason for the depleted runs but one of the big factors for sure.
Post by: singleshot12 on July 17, 2017, 06:04:32 AM
And steelheadted, if you really understood how political the salmon fisheries are, you would not need, expect or find any accurate data and proof.
Post by: Dan-o on July 17, 2017, 07:40:38 AM
How do you know they are resident Coho??
I'm not looking to pick a fight - I genuinely want to know. I fish the Sound a little, but am not knowledgeable about resident vs migratory Coho.
Is it just timing or are there other ways to tell?
Thanks,
Dan
Post by: WSU on July 17, 2017, 08:08:03 AM
Post by: WAcoueshunter on July 17, 2017, 05:24:34 PM
Post by: SteelheadTed on July 17, 2017, 05:25:45 PM
:yeah: Exactly! Some people find it more comfortable by refusing to see the disturbing obvious.
And steelheadted, if you really understood how political the salmon fisheries are, you would not need, expect or find any accurate data and proof.
Neat trick, you avoid having to provide proof by claiming it isn't needed.
I can agree that the process is hopelessly political and is hurting our fisheries and also say that you have no idea what data there is and whether or not it is useful and needed.
Post by: Crunchy on July 17, 2017, 05:37:25 PM
@WAcoueshunter
How do you know they are resident Coho??
I'm not looking to pick a fight - I genuinely want to know. I fish the Sound a little, but am not knowledgeable about resident vs migratory Coho.
Is it just timing or are there other ways to tell?
Thanks,
Dan
I don't think anyone can say with any certainty whether or not a coho caught in mid July is a resident coho. I know they have been catching them in Neah Bay, Seiku, Westport for a week or two. That would lead me to believe the fish I caught was likely not a resident coho. I fished the same areas for the last two and a half months and have not caught a coho until just the other day.
Post by: WAcoueshunter on July 17, 2017, 05:49:26 PM
Post by: lokidog on July 17, 2017, 06:54:43 PM
I think the pinks are still a week out from San Juan but have no data to base that on.
Post by: yum tag soup on July 17, 2017, 08:16:40 PM
Post by: Crunchy on July 17, 2017, 10:05:06 PM
Post by: singleshot12 on July 17, 2017, 10:06:27 PM
Personal observation is the best proof :twocents:
But not for SealheadTed :chuckle:
Post by: WSU on July 18, 2017, 07:58:06 AM
Post by: 7mmfan on July 18, 2017, 08:14:08 AM
Post by: WSU on July 18, 2017, 08:27:18 AM
Post by: 7mmfan on July 18, 2017, 08:35:47 AM
Post by: WAcoueshunter on July 18, 2017, 12:18:03 PM
Not anyone specifically, just in general. Who cares if it was a resident or early ocean returney? Why does it matter? Go fishing and enjoy it.
No kidding! Like people are ashamed of catching a resident. They all eat good! I pointed out that it was a resident coho because someone was trying to say pinks should be here because they caught a coho. That's not correct. Pinks will be here soon enough, and the ocean coho will be on their tails.
Post by: Timberstalker on July 18, 2017, 12:22:47 PM
Post by: 7mmfan on July 18, 2017, 12:59:22 PM
I honestly think it depends on how the said Coho identifies itself; whether it selects "resident" or "non resident."
Now this is a whole nother ball of wax. Maybe they don't like being called silvers, but identify as kings? Pinks is a name with inherent feminine undertones, so now we're assuming their identity!?!?! So unfair, they really need to be shiny salmon-like fish with spots that may or may not have migrated to the ocean and might have spots on its tail, or dark gums. Not that theres anything wrong with dark gums or spotted tails!
Post by: jmscon on July 18, 2017, 01:08:55 PM
They need to seek shelter in Elliot Bay so I can take care of them!
Post by: FWilliams on July 18, 2017, 02:19:45 PM
Why are we having a pissing match over this?
I agree, why not be out there catching kings right now, fishing has been outstanding
Post by: Crunchy on July 18, 2017, 02:48:16 PM
Post by: 7mmfan on July 18, 2017, 02:57:29 PM
Poor species, not only do they have the nickname of humpies, their true name is pinks. But not only that they're are also known as small and soft!
They need to seek shelter in Elliot Bay so I can take care of them!
God I almost forgot about the dreaded nick name. Now we're all assuming their sexually promiscuous. I sense a lawsuit coming.
Post by: Fishstiq on July 18, 2017, 05:09:53 PM
I honestly think it depends on how the said Coho identifies itself; whether it selects "resident" or "non resident."
Now this is a whole nother ball of wax. Maybe they don't like being called silvers, but identify as kings? Pinks is a name with inherent feminine undertones, so now we're assuming their identity!?!?! So unfair, they really need to be shiny salmon-like fish with spots that may or may not have migrated to the ocean and might have spots on its tail, or dark gums. Not that theres anything wrong with dark gums or spotted tails!
Please refer to them as fishself until they can choose their preferred pronoun. Otherwise you are being ableist and transphobic.
Post by: lokidog on July 23, 2017, 12:53:01 PM
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Post by: Gobble Doc on July 31, 2017, 10:43:21 AM
Post by: singleshot12 on July 31, 2017, 10:57:27 AM
Post by: Gobble Doc on July 31, 2017, 12:16:11 PM
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Post by: singleshot12 on July 31, 2017, 12:19:22 PM
Post by: CP on July 31, 2017, 12:22:45 PM
The Snohomish is suppose to have a strong run with it being open. The Skagit and Stilly not! Could not even imagine what a chitshow the Snohomish will be :rolleyes:
It's going to be a snag-fest.
Post by: h20hunter on July 31, 2017, 12:23:37 PM
Post by: singleshot12 on July 31, 2017, 12:34:55 PM
The Snohomish is suppose to have a strong run with it being open. The Skagit and Stilly not! Could not even imagine what a chitshow the Snohomish will be :rolleyes:
It's going to be a snag-fest.
Nope! going to avoid that river like the plague.
I just hope the fisheries dept. has some kind of a inline season opener for other rivers that end up having stronger runs than predicted.
Post by: Gobble Doc on July 31, 2017, 12:52:24 PM
Not trying to morph this into a thread about to slide downhill but if 8-2 is closed for sport fishing pinks/coho then is the same water closed for everyone netting?
Post by: jmscon on July 31, 2017, 12:58:06 PM
Post by: Gobble Doc on July 31, 2017, 01:55:59 PM
Wdfw needs to monitor the rivers better. There is technology out there, that is being used, to count salmon going up each river and open a marine area on a moments notice once the rivers have gotten a reasonable escapement. It would help with forecasting as well as when to give people opportunities, before all the fish are up river, if a year is better than forecast.
Interesting. I've always thought of escapement when there is something like a hatchery where they are collecting a certain number of fish. How do they calculate escapement on the Snohomish when there are so many people fishing it? How would it work?
Post by: singleshot12 on July 31, 2017, 02:10:48 PM
Not trying to morph this into a thread about to slide downhill but if 8-2 is closed for sport fishing pinks/coho then is the same water closed for everyone netting?
Probably not, especially since the sustenance-ceremonial thing is in effect.
Post by: jmscon on July 31, 2017, 02:21:40 PM
Wdfw needs to monitor the rivers better. There is technology out there, that is being used, to count salmon going up each river and open a marine area on a moments notice once the rivers have gotten a reasonable escapement. It would help with forecasting as well as when to give people opportunities, before all the fish are up river, if a year is better than forecast.
Interesting. I've always thought of escapement when there is something like a hatchery where they are collecting a certain number of fish. How do they calculate escapement on the Snohomish when there are so many people fishing it? How would it work?
That's what catch record cards could and should be used for. I believe most rivers have codes for recording salmon caught. And have a certain allowance for non or incorrect reporting. Use the average catch for x number of years to determine the catch for in the rivers.
If people reported properly, the state should know exactly how many salmon were caught by hook and line anglers as well as commercially. The unknown is non reporting by tribal and non-tribal fishing.
Post by: Whitenuckles on August 01, 2017, 06:31:01 PM
Post by: 3nails on August 04, 2017, 04:26:32 PM
Post by: WAcoueshunter on August 04, 2017, 06:51:53 PM
Anyone catching any in 9 or 10 yet,...... Islands?
We hit a few today in MA 7, but a fraction of years past at this time. Either not in yet, or not coming. FWIW, they were at 100' on the wire, strange.
Post by: Lincoln4 on August 06, 2017, 10:13:52 AM
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Post by: SteelheadTed on August 06, 2017, 04:18:25 PM
Post by: Lincoln4 on August 06, 2017, 04:43:45 PM
I don't know if they are around that area or not but here is how to get them if they are. Look for them schooling up, often breaking the surface and jumping. Thrown in a 3/8 oz. or 1/2 oz pink jig and twitch it back to you. If they are around, you'll get 'em. A lot of the water near the park gets deep fast and moves fast through the pass. I would look for water that isn't moving too fast and gradually gets deeper off the beach. Tides depend on where you are, I've got them off the beach at high and low tide. Right before and after slack tide seems to be good in general since it seems to force them to school up but the tide isn't so fast you can't fish it. If those times align with first and last light that tends to be very good. If nothing else you might also have a chance at a king or silver since they will come in shallower at first and last light.Thanks. Gonna see how guys are doing and give it a try.
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Post by: lokidog on August 06, 2017, 07:58:17 PM
Post by: Crunchy on August 06, 2017, 09:20:37 PM
Post by: Whitenuckles on August 07, 2017, 06:55:42 AM
If fishing from shore for pinks I would recommend buzz bombs. Probably 1/2 to 1 oz. Depending on what your rod can handle.:yeah:
Post by: CP on August 07, 2017, 07:22:25 AM
I think we caught coho on the incoming tide trolling the eddy on the SW side of the bridge. Saw people fishing off the beach there.
Isn't that in area 8-1 which is closed?
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Post by: WAcoueshunter on August 08, 2017, 08:42:51 AM
Anyone catching any in 9 or 10 yet,...... Islands?
We hit a few today in MA 7, but a fraction of years past at this time. Either not in yet, or not coming. FWIW, they were at 100' on the wire, strange.
Quite a few more around MA7 yesterday. I hit five in about an hour during last night's tide change, we also got into a fair number yesterday am. Saw a few on the surface too. Still a fraction of what it would normally be this time of year, but there are some.
Post by: singleshot12 on August 08, 2017, 11:08:41 AM
I think we caught coho on the incoming tide trolling the eddy on the SW side of the bridge. Saw people fishing off the beach there.
Isn't that in area 8-1 which is closed?
Good that will give the tribal nets more room to bring their nets right to shore. Those recreational fisherman have been a nuisance for years there :rolleyes:
Post by: CP on August 08, 2017, 11:18:06 AM
Post by: singleshot12 on August 08, 2017, 11:21:38 AM
Speaking of tribal nets, I saw several gill net boats heading South down Possession Sound on Saturday. Not sure of their destination.Sure they are going after them Humpies, Lotta money in roe.