Post by: jackelope on July 14, 2017, 06:16:53 PM
Post by: Bob33 on July 14, 2017, 06:32:00 PM
Post by: Alchase on July 14, 2017, 06:36:11 PM
The additives like Sta-bil, keep the moisture out.
Post by: fish vacuum on July 14, 2017, 07:11:02 PM
I would have no hesitation running ethanol gas in those engines as long as it was fresh.
Post by: Bob33 on July 14, 2017, 07:25:20 PM
http://www.echo-usa.com/Warranty/Learn-About-Ethanol (http://www.echo-usa.com/Warranty/Learn-About-Ethanol)
http://www.husqvarna.com/us/forest/basics/ethanol-free-fuel/ (http://www.husqvarna.com/us/forest/basics/ethanol-free-fuel/)
https://www.stihlusa.com/information/articles/gasoline-guidelines-outdoor-power-equipment/ (https://www.stihlusa.com/information/articles/gasoline-guidelines-outdoor-power-equipment/)
The engine repair shop I deal with says bad gasoline is the number one cause of problems they see.
Post by: Oh Mah on July 14, 2017, 07:30:46 PM
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Post by: wadu1 on July 14, 2017, 09:35:01 PM
I've only used ethanol free gasoline in all my small gas powered engines for several years. It really seems to matter with 2 cycle engines.:yeah:
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Post by: robodad on July 14, 2017, 11:04:00 PM
Guess you can see how much I like it eh :-) !!
Post by: Gobble Doc on July 15, 2017, 12:05:51 AM
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Post by: luckyman on July 15, 2017, 05:00:43 AM
I have a car that has the average mpg screen, it always stay at 24.5. I tried the ethanol free in it to see how it ran since the price is higher then premium. It right away jumped to 16 and stayed there through a few tanks. Didn't seem to run any better that I could tell. After returning to ethanol blend it went down to 24.5 where it normally is.
Post by: biggfish on July 15, 2017, 06:08:00 AM
After rebuilding or replacing several small engine carburetors I went to non ethanol ONLY in small engines.That's because production vehicles have spark timing set for use with ethanol fuels. Ethanol burns quicker so spark timing and heat produced by the spark are all set to ignite the alcohol not the gas. If I remember correctly you would need to open the plug gap and retard the ignition point to see the difference. Otherwise you get partial ignition leading to poor mpg.
I have a car that has the average mpg screen, it always stay at 24.5. I tried the ethanol free in it to see how it ran since the price is higher then premium. It right away jumped to 16 and stayed there through a few tanks. Didn't seem to run any better that I could tell. After returning to ethanol blend it went down to 24.5 where it normally is.
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Post by: Sandberm on July 15, 2017, 06:40:21 AM
https://www.pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=WA (https://www.pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=WA)
As others have said, I only run non ethanol in all my generators, boat motors and motorcycles. Had the carb on my TTR 230 motorcycle get clogged with a jelly like substance one winter when I didnt ride the bike for a few months. Had to clean the carb a couple times after i didnt get it all out the first time.
In Pasco on Rd 68 the Maverick station has non ethanol 87 octane for i believe around 30 cents more per gallon. My s-10 pickup gets anywhere from 5-8% BETTER gas mileage on the stuff, not quite enough to write off the difference in price.
CO-Energy through there Pacific Pride card has non E that is 92 octane but is about 75 cents more per gallon then there regular unleaded.
Post by: jackelope on July 15, 2017, 08:35:31 AM
Depends on the engine. 4 stroke brigs will not care. I have a husqvarna with a Honda engine and nothing but problems. My old cheap lawn mower would run on the blend and never complain. Just depends on how much you use. For 2-stroke I use the premix unless I know I will be burning a couple of gallons, 4-stroke I just get a couple gallons at a time.
4 stroke Briggs 8.5 i/c did care. I just had to have a guy go through the carb on it because I couldn't get it to start. My ancient Husqvarna saw couldn't care less. I take horrible care of that thing as much as I hate to say it. The 2 times a year I need it now, it fires up and runs like mad. Husqvarna mower doesn't care either.
I use the star-tron enzyme stuff in a blue bottle. been using it in lawnmower and weedeater with pump gas. had it sit in the tank over winter and start and run fine. Good stuff!
Thanks. That's what I was wondering.
I don't mind paying for it. Really, the amount I use is relatively small, so the cost difference will be negligible. I don't have acres to mow or anything like that.
I just want my stuff to start and run when I need it.
Post by: jackelope on July 15, 2017, 08:51:49 AM
Why risk it?
http://www.echo-usa.com/Warranty/Learn-About-Ethanol (http://www.echo-usa.com/Warranty/Learn-About-Ethanol)
http://www.husqvarna.com/us/forest/basics/ethanol-free-fuel/ (http://www.husqvarna.com/us/forest/basics/ethanol-free-fuel/)
https://www.stihlusa.com/information/articles/gasoline-guidelines-outdoor-power-equipment/ (https://www.stihlusa.com/information/articles/gasoline-guidelines-outdoor-power-equipment/)
The engine repair shop I deal with says bad gasoline is the number one cause of problems they see.
All these links say they approve the use of E10 gas, but don't use it because it will ruin your stuff.
:dunno:
So it's ok to use it, but it's not ok.
Whether or not I address the ethanol issue is not the question at hand for me. I'm mainly wondering if anyone is using the additives in their regular gas rather than driving all over creation to find ethanol free gas. One way or the other I will discontinue the use of normal pump gas. I know for sure that there is no ethanol free gas within 10 miles of my home. So is the additive a good substitute or should I make the 10+ mile drive to find some?
Post by: jackelope on July 15, 2017, 08:58:36 AM
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Post by: Knocker of rocks on July 15, 2017, 09:08:19 AM
One way or the other I will discontinue the use of normal pump gas. I know for sure that there is no ethanol free gas within 10 miles of my home. So is the additive a good substitute or should I make the 10+ mile drive to find some?
I get mine at the Snohomish Co-op, and also treat it with SeaFoam. When we have full gas tanks everywhere, that adds up to 20 gallons at my house, my mothers and my GF's. We burn thru it in less than three months, and I run the the carb dry on the pressure washer, the gererator and the push mower in the off season. But everything seems to start OK, even the various Stihls which may be left with a full tank for a month or so at a time.
That's what I would suggest, SeaFoam adds about 45¢/per gallon when I add to the gas, and $1.00 when I add it at a greater ratio to diesel for the '82 JD 950 tractor. It sounds expensive, but wasting my time or my mothers landscapers time adds up. And I run the tractor like a tractor, but I want to keep it another 20 plus years.
Post by: Knocker of rocks on July 15, 2017, 09:11:36 AM
Just looked at www.pure-gas.org and found the Grange in Issaquah has it and the co-op in Snohomish has it. So maybe I should just grab a 5 gallon can of it next time through that area. Both of them are 20+ miles from me and they're the closest.
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I think the Issaquah Grange sells off-road diesel, which is kind or rare around here except in card locks.
Post by: Bob33 on July 15, 2017, 09:28:58 AM
Post by: lokidog on July 15, 2017, 11:25:46 AM
I've only used ethanol free gasoline in all my small gas powered engines for several years. It really seems to matter with 2 cycle engines.
I did this last year and every one of my small engines started up this spring, chainsaw, weed eater, pressure washer, rototiller....
I'll still run ethanol fuel through my boat engines though as they never sit long, and when they do, I can run the carbs dry before storing them.
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Post by: luckyman on July 16, 2017, 05:40:17 PM
After rebuilding or replacing several small engine carburetors I went to non ethanol ONLY in small engines.That's because production vehicles have spark timing set for use with ethanol fuels. Ethanol burns quicker so spark timing and heat produced by the spark are all set to ignite the alcohol not the gas. If I remember correctly you would need to open the plug gap and retard the ignition point to see the difference. Otherwise you get partial ignition leading to poor mpg.
I have a car that has the average mpg screen, it always stay at 24.5. I tried the ethanol free in it to see how it ran since the price is higher then premium. It right away jumped to 16 and stayed there through a few tanks. Didn't seem to run any better that I could tell. After returning to ethanol blend it went down to 24.5 where it normally is.
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Thats a typo, sorry should read 26mpg with non ethanol. An increase of 1.5 mpg but no noticeable throttle response improvement.
Post by: Kittman on July 29, 2017, 08:10:32 AM
I have a huge inventory of motorized equipment for our business, we used to have trouble every year with engines of all types, autos, chainsaws, lawnmowers, weed cutters, snowmobiles, utv's, atv's, etc. We started using non-ethinol fuel about 8 years ago and putting startron in during storage. Another thing we do with most carburetored small engines is turn off the fuel and run the engine until the carb runs out of fuel and the engine quits. This combination of preventative actions has eliminated almost all our problems and has saved us a small fortune in mechanic bills.
It sounds like your Campjacks are kept pretty busy.
Post by: Kittman on July 29, 2017, 08:23:02 AM