Post by: NOCK NOCK on July 16, 2017, 08:40:19 PM
Been around guns my whole life and never had any kind of mistake....until now.
I'm in my 2nd year of shooting a muzzy and working on getting a new front sight built. I only needed to shoot 3 times at a distance of 25 yards.
Shot 1 - two caps popped and no fire, 3rd cap and then a hang fire (first ever hang fire for me)
Shot 2 - Had a good rest on a stump, squeezed one off and it rocked my world, WHAT THE HECK WAS THAT, felt like I was hit on the shoulder with a sledgehammer. I have never had any gun kick that hard. Black Diamond .50 cal., 100g of powder with a SST 250g sabot.
Did a quick body check, nothing bleeding or broken, then a quick look at the target(a piece of cardboard) big 8" long tear in it, what the heck happened???
Looked down at the gun....where is my ram rod? :yike: :yike: Things became really clear, holy crap I just shot the ramrod out of the barrel :bash: :bash: :yike:
Shot 3 - obviously didn't happen :chuckle:
Googled this and found that it is not all that uncommon for it to happen, it will NEVER happen again to me, this I am sure of.
I am so po'd at myself for doing this, but feel very lucky, could have ended a lot worse.
Did a thorough cleaning on it, breech plug came right out and looked normal / threads fine, barrel looked good- no scratches or messed up rifling, thinking the gun should be fine, but am a little worried about shooting it again the first time.
Anybody ever set up a gun in a cradle holder with sandbags, and fire with a string from a distance? several dudes said they had done that on a muzzle forum.
Below is a picture of what the rod looked like in the stump. 2nd shot bullet did not hit the 2' square cardboard.
Post by: Mark Brenckle on July 16, 2017, 09:15:07 PM
Post by: jrebel on July 16, 2017, 09:23:00 PM
Oh yeah....I have never had a hangfire or missfire on mine. I have shot hundreds of rounds. We should get together to figure out what is going wrong. I would seriously look at changing something. Let me know if you want to get out one day and try my recipe.
jrebel
Post by: JL on July 16, 2017, 09:45:10 PM
Post by: bowhunterforever on July 16, 2017, 09:48:17 PM
Post by: HardCorpsHuntr on July 16, 2017, 10:16:57 PM
Glad you and your ML are OK. I'll be looking for that stump now.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on July 16, 2017, 10:22:43 PM
Post by: j_h_nimrod on July 16, 2017, 10:42:10 PM
I've remote fired a number of guns in the past for various reasons. I would say that it is highly likely the gun is fine, but sometimes you need the piece of mind knowing it will not blow up on you the next time you shoot. I would probably start with a moderate load and if ok then work up to a max load. Check all parts of barrel and breech plug minutely. Also, remove breech plug and look down the barrel with a decent light at the end to check for bulging. A bulge will show up as a dark ring in the bore.
Post by: NOCK NOCK on July 17, 2017, 02:45:58 PM
Can't imagine the ramrod made that muzzleloader kick that much harder. I shoot black diamond xr's and love them....I own 4. LOL What kind of site are you putting on it. I have found a williams peep with the original front fiber optic post works amazingly well. I shoot 110 grains of pyrodex select with 250 grain shockwaves (super glide sabot) and it is crazy accurate.
Oh yeah....I have never had a hangfire or missfire on mine. I have shot hundreds of rounds. We should get together to figure out what is going wrong. I would seriously look at changing something. Let me know if you want to get out one day and try my recipe.
jrebel
I would be up for a shoot JR. I'll shoot you a PM
I have a Williams peep with factory front fiber pin. Last fall I had to have the peep ramp hanging off the top of its mount to be dead on at 100yd. Talking with Williams and they can build a new front pin (lower) for me, hence the 3 shots at 25yds to measure how low its hitting at 25Yds. My 1st shot hit 6" low (but it was the hangfire) so not sure how on I was. Hangfire was prolly due to too much oil from last cleaning.
Curious as to how high your front fiber pin is? On mine, from bottom of barrel to top of fiber pin is 1 5/16
from top of barrel to top of pin is 7/16
Post by: Doublelunger on July 17, 2017, 03:52:30 PM
Shooting a ramrod out of a muzzleoader WILL certainly make it "kick that much harder." There's not too much to ponder where that's concerned, yet here we are.
:yeah:
I'm not a mathematician/physicist but you have 20 x more mass trying to exit your barrel. I think Newtons 3rd law should apply directly :dunno:.
Post by: Bill W on July 17, 2017, 04:13:06 PM
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Post by: Dan-o on July 17, 2017, 06:28:40 PM
Not my best day in the field.
Post by: SkookumHntr on July 17, 2017, 06:35:44 PM
I shot my ram rod at a spike bull about 20 years ago.hey dan-o, can you tell that story again! I was laughing 😂 for a week after reading that!! Lmao!!!!
Not my best day in the field.
Post by: usmc74 on July 17, 2017, 06:41:40 PM
It had a STEEL ramrod.
Issaquah range had an emergency cease fire.
After all clear, I shot my rifle
When I shot, I went back about 5 yards.
The ramrod made it almost 50
I couldn't move my right arm.
Took several hours before the arm recovered.
Had to drive home shifting the stick with my left hand.
Post by: roscoe on July 17, 2017, 08:14:29 PM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on July 17, 2017, 08:20:27 PM
Post by: reelamin on July 19, 2017, 09:31:53 PM
Post by: Dan-o on July 19, 2017, 10:08:08 PM
Because you asked. Gotta give credit for admission....but no I really dont see how that could happen with even paying reasonable attention to what your doing. Not bashing or hating....but NO I dont see that happening EVER around me!!
Do the bottoms of your feet get wet?
Post by: elkboy on July 19, 2017, 10:18:10 PM
At any rate, we all make mistakes, even without a stressful situation to make it more likely. Glad nothing worse happened!
Post by: NOCK NOCK on July 20, 2017, 07:53:37 AM
Because you asked. Gotta give credit for admission....but no I really dont see how that could happen with even paying reasonable attention to what your doing. Not bashing or hating....but NO I dont see that happening EVER around me!!
Never say never, A simple Google search will show you it happens quite often.
I did get to shoot it again yesterday, everything is fine, even my new ramrod LOL
Post by: ctwiggs1 on July 20, 2017, 08:05:18 AM
I had a few hangfires years ago. I use a nipple pick before every shot now, I only use loose powder, and I use the best caps I can find. All hang fires went away when I started doing this.
Curtis