Post by: JLS on August 06, 2017, 08:00:31 AM
Your opportunity to make your voice heard. I for one would love a simplified fee on my vehicle tabs in lieu of purchasing several different passes.
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Post by: Special T on September 18, 2017, 02:52:35 PM
The fee based user pays system we are supposed to have is already broken because of the DP funds mostly going to parks
Post by: whacker1 on September 18, 2017, 03:10:51 PM
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Post by: JLS on September 18, 2017, 03:56:14 PM
No! It's not just that user fees are here to stay, but the DP estimates are way off from purchased and they are trying to increase revenue. We won't get "more" service going to a simpler pass, it will just cost more.
I respectfully disagree. I believe there is honest intent to make the entire process easier for users, not necessarily more expensive. Do you have inside information?
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Post by: Special T on September 19, 2017, 06:37:02 AM
No! It's not just that user fees are here to stay, but the DP estimates are way off from purchased and they are trying to increase revenue. We won't get "more" service going to a simpler pass, it will just cost more.
I respectfully disagree. I believe there is honest intent to make the entire process easier for users, not necessarily more expensive. Do you have inside information?
Yes I do. I have a degree in marketing and have done a few surveys for government agencies. A friend of mine worked for a firm that made a boat load of $ helping school districts pass levies.
Post by: Special T on September 19, 2017, 06:51:50 AM
http://parks.state.wa.us/177/Funding
We know that means selling more DP because that is the largest transfer of funds from a source that is actually willing to spend $ for thier outdoor enjoyment.
Contrary to most peoples understanding, Survey work isn't commissioned on fact finding or understanding... except how to either reinforce a preferred outcome normally separating you from more $.
Post by: Widgeondeke on September 19, 2017, 08:06:12 AM
Like Special T mentioned, they want the answer they want and are hoping enough people click that one to justify increasing fees
if we MUST have a permit/pass. Why can't we just purchase ONE pass for all the land in WA?
I still feel that as hunters and fisherman, we should not have to buy a DP. :twocents:
I have never purchased one, just changed places I visit.
Post by: Gringo31 on September 19, 2017, 08:57:10 AM
But, if I have to take my dose, I like the idea of putting it on everyone's vehicle registration. Hunters and Fishers carry too much of the burden. :twocents:
Post by: Special T on September 19, 2017, 09:04:45 AM
Registration fees is just another transfer of user benifit and cost.
Post by: Bob33 on September 19, 2017, 09:08:19 AM
Revenues can increase either from higher prices, or more from increased sales. A simpler process could increase sales.No! It's not just that user fees are here to stay, but the DP estimates are way off from purchased and they are trying to increase revenue. We won't get "more" service going to a simpler pass, it will just cost more.
I respectfully disagree. I believe there is honest intent to make the entire process easier for users, not necessarily more expensive. Do you have inside information?
Post by: Special T on September 19, 2017, 09:31:58 AM
I remember discussions about how great the DP was going to be for boaters that used state park launches because they would not longer have to pay the fee since it would be covered.... but I was talking with One Note my buddies whom fish and use Corner bay launch and there is still a fee....
I agree that you can increase revenue by increasing sales. But I doubt it will be better for the consumer.
Case in point... Anyone remember the WDFW has 3 different combo options? Deer or elk plus bear and cougar? We don't have those options anymore because it was too complicated.... now you have the big combo or buy alla cart... the WDFW rev went up... there were 15% or so of lic buyers that purchased the 3 animal combo.... are they getting a better deal now if they still only hunt 3 animals?
Post by: Mark251 on September 19, 2017, 09:32:24 AM
Post by: JLS on September 19, 2017, 01:43:49 PM
Revenues can increase either from higher prices, or more from increased sales. A simpler process could increase sales.No! It's not just that user fees are here to stay, but the DP estimates are way off from purchased and they are trying to increase revenue. We won't get "more" service going to a simpler pass, it will just cost more.
I respectfully disagree. I believe there is honest intent to make the entire process easier for users, not necessarily more expensive. Do you have inside information?
Not only does a simpler process increase sales, greater value/diversity in the pass can increase sales also. I never purchased a DP when they first came out. Now, we live in an area where it provides a lot of recreational value. It would provide even more so if it served to access federal fee areas.
The current DP process is costing the state money in terms of court time. I got a DP ticket because my daughter had borrowed it from our car. When I went to court to mitigate it, there were four other folks there who had been cited for the same thing. The judge dismissed all of our tickets and then very pointedly commented the state needed to figure out a better DP system.
Post by: Special T on September 19, 2017, 02:20:31 PM
I buy a DP & it go's to State Parks which I don't use and limits me to 2 licence plates.
Post by: JLS on September 19, 2017, 02:23:31 PM
First off the nd fed pass is $30 good every where in usfs and isn't limited to 2 cars. I know because I bought one for elk season. This year. I know by buying that pass it goes to maintaining trail heads the bathrooms and trails.
I buy a DP & it go's to State Parks which I don't use and limits me to 2 licence plates.
I completely understand that. Many folks don't, and that is part of the issue is to simplify this so people DO have the pass they need when they get to where they are going.
Post by: fireweed on September 20, 2017, 06:37:01 AM
Done. I have not had to buy a Discover Pass or National Forest Pass yet but my days are probably numbered. I just got my free Lifetime National Parks Pass so I am good to go for those. I did drop a good chunk of change to Weyco this year though. :(That lifetime pass works as a National Forest Pass. Double check me, but I buy the annual federal pass each year for family national park road trips, and use it at USFS/BLM trailheads. What burns me up is that "concession" operated day use sites require you to pay, even though before they were leased out the pass covered them. I don't pay for those-ever.