Post by: TenkaraTim on August 15, 2017, 07:22:57 PM
I just got back from a 3-day scouting trip to GMU 231 since that is the only unit open during muzzleloader and I was a bit disappointed to say the least. I saw two does up in the National Forest lands only and I was up off Virginia Ridge, Thompson Ridge and Little Bridge Creek as well as wandering around the Big Valley Wildlife Area which I see could have potential if I had the time to set some trail cams to figure out the deer there. I didn't just cruise the road, but put on about 15 miles hiking on trails and up and down ridges. The best news was that my dog found grouse. Of course close to town I almost ran over several deer, got about 15 yards from a nice buck on the private land where I was staying and probably saw two dozen does.
Now I'm rethinking the whole plan. Was I in the right places at the wrong time? Were the deer either way above me or just below me in the valley, I was at 3000-3600' a lot of the time? Is this just a tough unit and should I look at 233 or 218 which have higher numbers and stick to rifle season? Now I kind of wish I'd had time to hike all the way to Gardner Meadows up Wolf Creek to see if there are bucks hanging out up there at 5000' in the wilderness area which would be open during the high hunt. Regardless I think another scouting trip is going to be in order should I decide to head up there. Any advice would be very welcome.
Post by: bigmacc on August 15, 2017, 08:28:31 PM
Post by: OutHouse on August 16, 2017, 11:04:19 AM
I'm not being negative but the Methow is hurting as far as deer numbers, its just the unfortunate reality, yes you will see the town deer and private property deer, this is your local deer and their numbers are way down too. Check out the "North central mule deer" thread here in the deer hunting section. I myself and some family members have been putting on a lot of miles in a lot of different haunts at various elevations. Just stating a fact here, not an opinion- -the worst deer numbers I have seen in the 50 plus years I've been chasing them around this valley.....sorry, good luck.
:yeah: It's not looking good anywhere in the Methow. Haven't had such little activity on my cameras (in 231 GMU) in years. Is this cabin bordering NF land? If you can give me an idea of where the cabin is I could possibly tell you what might work close to you. Also, consider getting into the Sawtooth Wilderness.
Post by: boneaddict on August 16, 2017, 11:20:04 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on August 16, 2017, 12:03:05 PM
Post by: horsehunter509 on August 16, 2017, 01:16:31 PM
Post by: boneaddict on August 16, 2017, 02:09:38 PM
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Gardner Meadows up Wolf Creek to see if there are bucks hanging out up there at 5000' in the wilderness area which would be open during the high hunt.[/b]
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Post by: OutHouse on August 16, 2017, 03:44:30 PM
The Sawtooth Wilderness is not going to get you any better as far as deer numbers. The migrating deer that have come out of that area the past 10 years is disappointing to say the least. Your better off to find another area and do some scouting.
Maybe I just got lucky. I walked a good distance of that trail back in early summer and saw numerous bucks that were all looking to branch into 4 pointers. This was on like a two hour hike. So to me the deer numbers in that valley looked pretty good.
Post by: TenkaraTim on August 16, 2017, 06:44:02 PM
Post by: Jpmiller on August 17, 2017, 09:17:42 AM
Also bears, still seems to be lots of bears.
Post by: WAnoob on August 17, 2017, 09:39:57 AM
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Post by: Skyvalhunter on August 17, 2017, 09:43:28 AM
Post by: cboom on August 17, 2017, 09:54:18 PM
You were in the right place at the wrong time, as in year. 10 years ago, 20 years ago, 30 years ago. Steady decline since......its reaching catastrophic status
Sad deal. When I was in high school around 25 years ago I bow hunted because of the long seasons, with lots of weekends. We mostly hunted Hearts Pass area. Seemed like we would see 50 plus deer every day. Been up there a couple times in the last few years and couldn't believe how bad it has gotten. The saddest part is I don't see it getting better the way things are going.
Post by: Duckslayer89 on August 17, 2017, 09:59:45 PM
Post by: cboom on August 17, 2017, 10:06:41 PM
I'm up in the methow right now bear hunting in an area I usually see tons of deer. Saw 4 white tails in a field and not 1 mule deer. Usually the area is good for seeing at least a ton of doe right before dark. One of the areas he mentioned actually
And this is the time of year you should be seeing a ton of deer. That heard is truly in horrible shape.
Post by: Duckslayer89 on August 17, 2017, 10:27:14 PM
I'm up in the methow right now bear hunting in an area I usually see tons of deer. Saw 4 white tails in a field and not 1 mule deer. Usually the area is good for seeing at least a ton of doe right before dark. One of the areas he mentioned actually
And this is the time of year you should be seeing a ton of deer. That heard is truly in horrible shape.
Ya it's weird dude. 10 years ago this area was loaded with whiteys and mulies. I was gonna pass on a small bear but I think I'll take a small one out now help the deer. I did call a white tail doe in with my fawn in distress call
Post by: cboom on August 17, 2017, 10:41:29 PM
I'm up in the methow right now bear hunting in an area I usually see tons of deer. Saw 4 white tails in a field and not 1 mule deer. Usually the area is good for seeing at least a ton of doe right before dark. One of the areas he mentioned actually
And this is the time of year you should be seeing a ton of deer. That heard is truly in horrible shape.
Ya it's weird dude. 10 years ago this area was loaded with whiteys and mulies. I was gonna pass on a small bear but I think I'll take a small one out now help the deer. I did call a white tail doe in with my fawn in distress call
I never have paid much attention to the whitetail numbers around there so I can't speak about that. But in the last decade or so the muley's haven't been able to catch a break. They have been hit with an increase in predictors, fires, bad winter's. And on top of that way to high of harvest numbers because the WDFW hasn't done a thing to manage the heard.