Post by: muleracks on September 24, 2017, 08:39:31 AM
Post by: huntnfmly on September 24, 2017, 08:51:52 AM
Looks like beautiful country to be hunting in
Post by: fishnfur on September 24, 2017, 08:58:24 AM
Gorgeous buck, and that picture is worth way more than a thousand words. There is an entire well-told story going on in the background. Thanks for posting.
Post by: Bushcraft on September 24, 2017, 11:15:20 AM
Post by: Watimberghost on September 24, 2017, 11:26:47 AM
One of your guys' satisfied customers?
Post by: muleracks on September 24, 2017, 12:15:25 PM
Post by: Bushcraft on September 24, 2017, 12:27:31 PM
Post by: Pegasus on September 24, 2017, 12:56:26 PM
Higher up like here? They went 4 for 4 tagged out on 2nd day.
The big un is a beauty. Congrats to all.
Post by: fishnfur on September 24, 2017, 03:49:14 PM
Higher up like here? They went 4 for 4 tagged out on 2nd day.
Nah man, I wuz just kiddin'. Gorgeous right where you were, and awesome bucks to boot. Congrats on the kill.
Post by: Miles on September 24, 2017, 03:56:05 PM
The background thing is probably true. The Chiwaukum fire has recovered pretty well and the deer are loving it. Not many people will make the effort to go into this spot.
I have found that there's always someone willing to go where you think no one ever will...
Post by: kselkhunter on September 24, 2017, 04:45:28 PM
Post by: Bushcraft on September 24, 2017, 05:07:44 PM
The background thing is probably true. The Chiwaukum fire has recovered pretty well and the deer are loving it. Not many people will make the effort to go into this spot.
Chiwaukum
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: bigmacc on September 24, 2017, 06:45:51 PM
Post by: elkrack on September 24, 2017, 07:28:35 PM
Post by: haugenna on September 24, 2017, 07:45:32 PM
Post by: ian_padron on September 24, 2017, 09:03:43 PM
Just sayin'
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Post by: bowhunterforever on September 25, 2017, 12:12:38 AM
Nice buck congrats:yeah: :tup:
Looks like beautiful country to be hunting in
Post by: Skyvalhunter on September 25, 2017, 05:50:05 AM
Great bucks, but I'd go back and erase mention of the area in your previous post. You'd be surprised who will end up back in there next year with that info floating around...
Just sayin'
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Problem is saying it is an area and it really being that area are 2 different things
Post by: grade-creek-rd on September 25, 2017, 10:08:19 AM
Grade
Post by: haugenna on September 25, 2017, 10:39:08 AM
High Hunt that was ruined by two hunters who, on consecutive days, decided it was "easier" to shoot 600 yards than to stalk the buck that we were stalking...
Grade
Same thing happened to us....only these idiots decided to hike 2 hours up the ridge and target shoot in the same basin we were hunting. Must have rattled off 10+ shots in the morning over an hour timeframe while deer activity was still going on. Public land I guess but have some respect.
Post by: Ridgerunner on September 25, 2017, 10:44:20 AM
Post by: lord grizzly on September 25, 2017, 10:59:28 AM
I agree with Skyvalhunter on this one...when someone say's it's somewhere that it is not but it could be, then both of the places will get hammered...after all, some of us can tell exactly where the photos were taken, others will take the word of the author and go to the other spot...either way, nice bucks, wish I had the time to go into that basin this year but I will be up there next year, thanks for the "scouting report"...and yes, I already planned on going in there next year, talked about it last week after our opening weekend High Hunt that was ruined by two hunters who, on consecutive days, decided it was "easier" to shoot 600 yards than to stalk the buck that we were stalking...
Grade
sounds like you need to extend your range and you wont have that problem. depending on conditions there nothing easy about a 600 yard shot. hopefully those boys knew what they were doing and not just lobbing lead out there with there fancy new scopes that "do it all for you".
Post by: yakimanoob on September 25, 2017, 11:03:12 AM
Target practice in an open rifle unit when there are obviously active hunters is just plain awful and ought to be illegal, IMO.
Post by: lord grizzly on September 25, 2017, 11:42:59 AM
Long range hunting is fair play to me. Learning to get close and learning to shoot far are two different strategies towards the same goal; to each their own.
Target practice in an open rifle unit when there are obviously active hunters is just plain awful and ought to be illegal, IMO.
there's open hunts and active hunters from august to January for most big game and in some areas an open hunt year round for one thing or another. its called public land and its part of the deal. don't want to be interrupted get further back...
Post by: fishnfur on September 25, 2017, 12:13:13 PM
Post by: Bushcraft on September 25, 2017, 12:34:01 PM
Would I?...No, not necessarily. I prefer to get as close as reasonably possible to take one perfect, clean, ethical shot that will immediately dispatch the animal and allow for the easiest possible retrieval of meat, horns and hide. I'm primarily a meat hunter and I want to conserve as much of that delicious 100% organic meat for table fare as possible. And, I feel like I owe it to the animal that it depart this mortal plane as quickly and humanely as possible.
Should others?...Judging from what I've seen at the various shooting ranges I frequent and the Introductory Long Range Shooting Class I instruct, only a handful out of maybe 10,000 shooters or so have the skillset and tools to reliably and consistently make long range shots. The rest should be well under the 400 yard mark, with the bulk at under 200 yards or less.
Now...What I believe is completely unethical is the use of handheld radios to direct a hunter onto game. There is not a single sportsmen's organization I know of that considers it "fair chase". It's pure laziness, it's cheating, and it should be illegal. I'm contemplating sponsoring legislation to make it so.
I witnessed an older guy sitting in the bottom of a valley call his son in on the top of three bucks during the High Buck opener this year. The arrogant punk - who has an idiotic habit of wearing running shoes in the backcountry and messing up others' hunts, appeared to have missed the largest buck that had a taller somewhat oddly asymmetrical rack at less than 50 yards and ended up panic shooting a very small three-point as the herd spooked and ran uphill through a clearing towards him. He took exactly ZERO time in ascertaining whether or not he had fatally shot the larger buck that ran into some very thick and steep brush. For all I know the kid shot both and they tagged both or even worse...simply let the other one rot in the brush. (I observed him deboning the dink as his father walked back to camp.) I suspect that is exactly what happened since I never saw them or that larger asymmetrical buck the remaining 8 days I was in there. Watching the whole thing unfold through my spotter was infuriating.
Post by: yakimanoob on September 25, 2017, 01:06:14 PM
Long range hunting is fair play to me. Learning to get close and learning to shoot far are two different strategies towards the same goal; to each their own.
Target practice in an open rifle unit when there are obviously active hunters is just plain awful and ought to be illegal, IMO.
there's open hunts and active hunters from august to January for most big game and in some areas an open hunt year round for one thing or another. its called public land and its part of the deal. don't want to be interrupted get further back...
Fair point. We as hunters don't have any higher claim to use the land for what we want to do than the rec shooters do.
Post by: yakimanoob on September 25, 2017, 01:11:31 PM
I witnessed an older guy sitting in the bottom of a valley call his son in on the top of three bucks during the High Buck opener this year. The arrogant punk - who has an idiotic habit of wearing running shoes in the backcountry and messing up others' hunts, appeared to have missed the largest buck that had a taller somewhat oddly asymmetrical rack at less than 50 yards and ended up panic shooting a very small three-point as the herd spooked and ran uphill through a clearing towards him. He took exactly ZERO time in ascertaining whether or not he had fatally shot the larger buck that ran into some very thick and steep brush. For all I know the kid shot both and they tagged both or even worse...simply let the other one rot in the brush. (I observed him deboning the dink as his father walked back to camp.) I suspect that is exactly what happened since I never saw them or that larger asymmetrical buck the remaining 8 days I was in there. Watching the whole thing unfold through my spotter was infuriating.
Yeah, taking a shot at a second animal without determining if you've killed the first is pretty awful. Were you able to watch the first buck for awhile? If you saw him drop, I would report those guys to the rangers in a heartbeat.
Now, that said, running shoes in the back country seems like an odd thing to be upset about :chuckle:
Post by: MerriamMagician on September 25, 2017, 01:15:16 PM
Post by: 2MANY on September 25, 2017, 01:35:31 PM
Running shoes and trekking poles make me sick. :)
Post by: Bushcraft on September 25, 2017, 02:31:17 PM
I witnessed an older guy sitting in the bottom of a valley call his son in on the top of three bucks during the High Buck opener this year. The arrogant punk - who has an idiotic habit of wearing running shoes in the backcountry and messing up others' hunts, appeared to have missed the largest buck that had a taller somewhat oddly asymmetrical rack at less than 50 yards and ended up panic shooting a very small three-point as the herd spooked and ran uphill through a clearing towards him. He took exactly ZERO time in ascertaining whether or not he had fatally shot the larger buck that ran into some very thick and steep brush. For all I know the kid shot both and they tagged both or even worse...simply let the other one rot in the brush. (I observed him deboning the dink as his father walked back to camp.) I suspect that is exactly what happened since I never saw them or that larger asymmetrical buck the remaining 8 days I was in there. Watching the whole thing unfold through my spotter was infuriating.
Yeah, taking a shot at a second animal without determining if you've killed the first is pretty awful. Were you able to watch the first buck for awhile? If you saw him drop, I would report those guys to the rangers in a heartbeat.
Now, that said, running shoes in the back country seems like an odd thing to be upset about :chuckle:
Haha! No, I'm not upset about the running shoes thing. To each their own. I just think it's a moronic choice given the abundance of high quality hunting boots on the market. I've watched him slip and slide around the steep mountainsides like an ounce-counting idiot for a few years and it's only a matter of time before he get's caught with a little skiff of snow on steep, slippery vegetation and eats it really bad or dies, thereby necessitating Search & Rescue to go save whatever remains of him after he slides off a cliff. :bdid:
To answer your question, it was impossible to determine from my vantage point where the bigger buck ended up after it ducked into the thick cover of alpine fir and slide alder. The older guy was less than forthcoming about the details when we briefly exchanged words about their unethical use of radios. I suppose I could have stuck around and watched them but that would have consumed who knows how much time and I doubt I would have found a corpse for proof had they abandoned it.
I usually take a radio with scanner, but didn't this year since I was rolling solo and didn't want to carry any unnecessary weight. Next year we'll record their antics, catch 'em on video and make 'em famous. :chuckle:
Post by: grade-creek-rd on September 26, 2017, 08:59:02 AM
To clarify the "long shots interrupting our stalk". It was a large basin, we were on one side and the other hunters were on the other side, the bucks were in the bottom, right in the middle. There were two finger ridges in the middle of the basin, that would put the hunter anywhere from 100 to 350 yards away from the feeding bucks. The bucks were in a pocket opening with fir trees surrounding them and no way to see the routes to the finger ridges...basically a "perfect situation" for a stalk. Which we opted to do and as we began the other group decided to lobby shots from the far ridge. The bucks didn't even know what was going on and didn't move. We got set up on the middle ridge and the deer busted when the group decided to lob more shots in and hit one of the deer (the deer was never found by the other group). I knew those bucks were feeding in brush taller than they were and that we had to get close enough to make sure that not only could we make the shot but also be able to locate the deer (looking down onto them from above vantage point is totally different than when you get into the area on the same level). We eventually made our way into a basin and ran into one of the guys who shot from the far ridge...nice guy, fairly new at killing deer (he has been hunting awhile...but killing deer and hunting are two different things). Turns out the young man was in the Army...and is a sniper!...but given how excited he was about the "big buck!" (20-22 inch 4x4, standard frame, nice forks, still stripping the velvet off) it was obvious that the hunt and the chance at a big buck caused some "buck fever". He knew he hit the deer "a little far back" (it has happened to us all). We had a great discussion on stalking the deer and he agreed that it would have been best, he added that he really did not see us and was not trying to shoot the buck out from under us (I believe him) and he was very humble about it all. They never found the buck, but I jumped it at 50 yards about a 1/4 mile away, it was gut shot. I took off after it but it made it through the timber and I couldn't find any further sign of it in the mountain ash and thick brush. I searched for two hours and never jumped it again.
Goes to show that you can train at the range all you want, even prepare for a combat mission (sniper) and yet still get excited and make a bad shot at a deer. My son asked me about this and I told him that when a soldier goes into combat they are taught what their role is, practice their role, and have orders, even then its a shock at first but eventually it becomes a "job" but when hunting it can be different, you see a big buck, you know that you can "make the shot" but for some reason adrenaline takes over, this is for fun, not for life saving...I guess what I am trying to say is that you can get all the range time in the world and be the best at the 1,000 yard competitions but until you are presented with the biggest buck you've seen your body might react differently. I rarely get buck fever, but if I had a doe permit and I know I will get to go shoot a deer that day I can barely sleep the night before, and get all worked up, its why I hunt!
Grade
PS. If the young hunter is on here, please don't take offense that I gave the details of the day...you are a great hunter, as you immediately recognized the mistake and how you could have stalked the deer. That's the important part of this lesson, learning to be a better "hunter" not just a "better marksman".
Post by: yakimanoob on September 26, 2017, 09:12:30 AM
PS. If the young hunter is on here, please don't take offense that I gave the details of the day...you are a great hunter, as you immediately recognized the mistake and how you could have stalked the deer. That's the important part of this lesson, learning to be a better "hunter" not just a "better marksman".:yeah:
Thanks for posting, Grade. It's a good reminder for everyone to approach each shot with reserve and respect. The very best shooters among us (and I doubt anyone would argue our military snipers are the best shooters among us) can still miss.